Krazeehorse
4 years ago
I’m with plow boy. If you’re vaccinated don’t worry about. Most people dance with the devil one way or another. It might be tobacco, alcohol, fatty foods, motorcycles or fast cars. We all do things that can end up poorly. Just like not getting vaccinated for something that’s 99% not likely to be serious.
BuckyB93
4 years ago

Gene I too question the door to door thing. I need to learn more, whether they are really federal agents, and what coercion exists if any but I’m not comfortable with door to door actions for so many reasons not the least of which efficacy and reasonable use of resources. Especially if feds are doing it. If it’s church groups or other stakeholder groups on their dime I’m ok with it, even if they rely on the government to some extent for information etc. but feds…not so much.

teedubbya wrote:



Don’t care about uniforms. Just coin. No fed employees or direct coin. If it’s stakeholders on their coin so be it. That’s as American as apple pie and happens in virtually every community for various reasons and issues. Every day.

And getting real info out there to counter the insidious disinformation machine is a good thing. But choice is choice regardless of your info flow.

teedubbya wrote:



So self funded groups supported with government collected compliance data going door to door is OK by you? Maybe they can spray paint a big red "X" on the sidewalk in front of the house that has someone who hasn't taken the shot (as long as they pay for the paint out of their own pockets). Then Brewha can find them easier for his internment camps. Maybe if they buy their own lumber and gas, they can burn a cross in front of the house. Its'all good.

I know that I'm taking it to an extreme but a year and a half ago most would have thought that government mandates for the number of people allowed to assemble and shutting down "non essential" private businesses a year ago would have been extreme but it's acceptable nowadays.
Speyside
4 years ago
Everyone has made their choice. I would trust a door knocker about vaccine as much as I would trust a Jahovas witness. Even though vaccination was appropriate for myself and my family, I do understand none of the vaccines have FDA approval. Something like 47% of the unvaccinated would get vaccinated if the vaccine was FDA approved. All I can say is I think they should get vaccinated. I cannot say they should get vaccinated.
teedubbya
4 years ago
Yea you are being g extreme. But yes self funded groups can do pretty much whatever they want within the law. They already do on many things using government data which is available to us all.

This is nothing new other than the specific topic. The hissy fit is based on the covid political war not the reality.

And agin I don’t know details here. If it’s government coin (there are nuances there for sure) or employees I’m not good with that. And join the outrage.
teedubbya
4 years ago
Thinking about the insurance thing maybe the better route is through premiums. Since most are age sex benefit driven maybe the benefit part should be on covid opt in or opt out. Opt in requires the shot. Opt out doesn’t. Or a third opt in no shot bucket with premium increases accordingly. Not putatively but actuarially sound to account for cost.

Government funded programs? Shot or no benefits.
Gene363
4 years ago

Thinking about the insurance thing maybe the better route is through premiums. Since most are age sex benefit driven maybe the benefit part should be on covid opt in or opt out. Opt in requires the shot. Opt out doesn’t. Or a third opt in no shot bucket with premium increases accordingly. Not putatively but actuarially sound to account for cost.

Government funded programs? Shot or no benefits.

teedubbya wrote:



Food Stamps?

Welfare?

Voting?

Driving?

State Identification Cards?
RayR
4 years ago
You see how the authoritarians think, government-funded programs are used as weapons against those that won't comply with official state dogma.
Trying to make an analogy with coercively funded gubment programs to private insurance is ridiculous.
HockeyDad
4 years ago
I hope someone comes to my door and asks me about taking the vaccine. I’ll start with “what vaccine?” And try to keep it going for 30 minutes. Of course this will not happen because my state has a massive database of who has gotten the vaccine.

(I’ve had two Pfizer doses so **** off)
MACS
4 years ago
I got news for you, Teedub... you're funding my healthcare already. My wife's, too.

Sure, my premium is $50.50 a month and my copays if I choose to see my own doctor instead of the VA is $20... but Uncle Sammy (I.E. Johnny Q. Taxpayer) funds the rest. Free prescriptions, too!! Lucky for you I don't take meds... yet.

Let's do a little bit of sciencey math and stuff... what's the percentage of the 7+ BILLION people inhabiting this here planet that have been hospitalized due to covid?? Less than 1% I woud be willing to wager... even if it is as high as 1% or 2%, that does not deserve the reaction of the maniacs insisting we all get a vaccine or be charged with a crime.

The fear mongering was bad and it hasn't let up.

Edit: (I've had zero shots and I ain't getting any, so **** off)
HockeyDad
4 years ago

Seems like all the crying about masks are coming from people that claim to be red but live among the blue.

bgz wrote:



I live amongst the blues much as Jane Goodall lived amongst the chimpanzees.

Still can’t figure out why they can’t get a drivers license.
Brewha
  • Brewha
  • Herf-A-Holic Topic Starter
4 years ago

So self funded groups supported with government collected compliance data going door to door is OK by you? Maybe they can spray paint a big red "X" on the sidewalk in front of the house that has someone who hasn't taken the shot (as long as they pay for the paint out of their own pockets). Then Brewha can find them easier for his internment camps. Maybe if they buy their own lumber and gas, they can burn a cross in front of the house. Its'all good.

I know that I'm taking it to an extreme but a year and a half ago most would have thought that government mandates for the number of people allowed to assemble and shutting down "non essential" private businesses a year ago would have been extreme but it's acceptable nowadays.

BuckyB93 wrote:


I’m really liking the red X idea, although an online registry like we do for sex offenders would be more 21st century.

You know, I heard the the only reason people don’t get vaccinated is cause the hate America…..
Brewha
  • Brewha
  • Herf-A-Holic Topic Starter
4 years ago

Thinking about the insurance thing maybe the better route is through premiums. Since most are age sex benefit driven maybe the benefit part should be on covid opt in or opt out. Opt in requires the shot. Opt out doesn’t. Or a third opt in no shot bucket with premium increases accordingly. Not putatively but actuarially sound to account for cost.

Government funded programs? Shot or no benefits.

teedubbya wrote:


+1

Why should I have to pay the hospital bills of some one who won’t wear seatbelts.

Their “freedom” stops where the bottom line begins.
teedubbya
4 years ago
That’s not news to me at all MACS, and as someone who has done that particular type of math I know it’s doable and possible to turn it in to specific cost or premium. Not really sure what your argument is with what I said. *shrug*

And I don’t care if you get a shot or not. It’s just the concept of subsidizing your care should you catch this when it is largely avoidable that is interesting to me. Not in a punitive way at all. Just a matter of fact way.

Meh. This stuff isn’t all that emotional to me and really shouldn’t be political. But I see misinformation, emotion and political things leading folks towards poor decisions, which of course is their right. Just don’t pretend it’s grounded in some sort of medical, science, or math intellect. It isn’t.
izonfire
4 years ago
It's amazing that they are able to produce a mind control chip
so tiny that it can be injected through a hypodermic needle.

Absolutely amazing...
teedubbya
4 years ago
Not that impressive. I was able to get a woman pregnant. Very similar.
MACS
4 years ago
It isn't that emotional for me until people start talking out their ass about taking away benefits or raising premiums for those who choose to refrain from getting the shot.

I earned my healthcare... and my pension is taxed, so I pay for it, too.

I don't think the shot is anything nefarious. I just don't trust it... yet. That's my prerogative. And the "science" backs up my hesitation. It has NOT been through human trials until now, when they started injecting people. Can you show me where that is incorrect?
Plowboy221
4 years ago
Teedubbya, gonna jack with peoples insurance because they won’t take a shot? Well fatty that’s riding around Walmart stufffkng there cart with unhealthy junk food, should they have insurance messed with since they are a ticking time bomb for a heart attack, or diabetes. They should go in a diet and eat fresh foods, exercise, etc completely preventable. What about people that rock climb, sky diving, motor cycle riders, weekend drag racers, bull riders, farm hands, farmers I could go on and on. All preforming relatively dangerous activities with as much chance of getting hurt doing that than catching COVID, should there insurance be jacked with?
MACS
4 years ago
^Valid points.
RayR
4 years ago
I think it's amazing that the chip can make them whine and believe that subsidizing (socializing) the care of the denier is the fault of the denier who in their view is making poor decisions because of misinformation, emotion and political things.
Then to think it shouldn't be political when they've made the subject of healthcare political?#-o
teedubbya
4 years ago
Talking out their ass? Just raised the concept and my experience with premium setting, provider payment setting and analyzing the other direction from costs to payment is hardly talking out my ass. It’s part of my professional fabric. Benefits have costs and are built in to premiums etc. everyone wants more benefits but no higher premiums. Right now not getting a shot has huge costs that will raise premiums for everyone in your echo system. Since it’s spread to all that do get shots it’s very small per person. You want them to fund your risk. If it was spread just to those that knowingly don’t get the shot thus causing the additional cost it would be much greater per person but more equitable. I’d be cool with that because I’m for personal responsibility. You want to talk about what’s earned or paid for etc. in terms of premium vs benefit in the healthcare world I’m your huckleberry. My guess is the ass talking might not be who you accuse. You have very little knowledge on the topic I suspect. Maybe I’m wrong.

And we’ve gone down your circular argument before. MRNA tech has been around quite awhile and yes it has been through multiple human trials. You can find that on your own but don’t want to. It was purposefully designed in a way to expedite timeline from new virus to injection. It was the whole point of the tech and why it was developed. It’s why warp speed worked. Trump took credit which was fine but the foundation was laid. The emergency use designation is being used as the club this time although it’s monitored very closely. When it’s moved to fully approved it will be something else. Another reason. The end result looking for support rather than facts guiding the end result. You can not argue that’s not been your MO the entire time.

The acute and chronic long term costs for this disease are now largely (not completely) avoidable. Having those that choose to not avoid these costs and knowingly take the risk while perfectly acceptable in this country bear more of the cost risk as a result is a perfectly legitimate discussion. No one has earned their healthcare coverage to the extent this risk should be spread to everyone rather than the people taking the risks. That’s an entitlement attitude.
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