Frank sounds like my wife & daughter now. Everytime I say " I'm not eating that" one of them will say " but you'll smoke a cigar"

True, true.

I'm really not that disciplined though. I go on spurts of healthy eating to reset then go back to trying to do portion control of anything I want.

I have been on a health kick lately with all this lab virus about.
Plus I'll be 50 soon & want to get this colonoscopy thing done with no issues.

Can't smoke cigars if you're sick.

Priorities!

Dg west deptford wrote:

Today, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration approved the first COVID-19 vaccine. The vaccine has been known as the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine, and will now be marketed as Comirnaty (koe-mir’-na-tee), for the prevention of COVID-19 disease in individuals 16 years of age and older. The vaccine also continues to be available under emergency use authorization (EUA), including for individuals 12 through 15 years of age and for the administration of a third dose in certain immunocompromised individuals.

- fda.gov


No more “experimental drug”. As approved as aspirin.

So let’s here the denial machine punch into high gear…..

Brewha wrote:

Today, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration approved the first COVID-19 vaccine. The vaccine has been known as the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine, and will now be marketed as Comirnaty (koe-mir’-na-tee), for the prevention of COVID-19 disease in individuals 16 years of age and older. The vaccine also continues to be available under emergency use authorization (EUA), including for individuals 12 through 15 years of age and for the administration of a third dose in certain immunocompromised individuals.

- fda.gov


No more “experimental drug”. As approved as aspirin.

So let’s here the denial machine punch into high gear…..

Brewha wrote:

The difference is if aspirin makes you grow a third ear or causes your immune system to fail, you can sue the manufacturer. I'd be inclined to consider it safe when the manufacturer stands behind their product. Sure I know that was part of the agreement to make the vaccine in a very fast manner. That said the vaccine is not to the same standard as prior approved drugs.

CamoRoon wrote:

So the right to sue for an adverse event is a factor in your decision?

rfenst wrote:

On Monday, the FDA “approved” the Pfizer COVID-19 (which will be marketed as COMIRNATY) “for the prevention of COVID-19 disease in individuals 16 years of age and older.”

If you want an “approved” dose of COMIRNATY – too bad. It’s not yet available. You can still get the Pfizer Vaccine authorized under the Emergency Use Authorization, however. Much has been discussed about whether this is a real “approval” – and I won’t repeat that. I’ll walk through the source documents and data, showing just how weak this purported approval really is.

The Effectiveness is “unknown.”

The FDA says COMIRNATY is “safe and effective in preventing COVID-19 in individuals 16 years of age and older.” How effective? They state (~6 months after dose 2) that it is “91% effective in preventing COVID-19 disease,” citing to a study where Pfizer observed “77 cases of COVID-19 occurring in the vaccine group.”

This leaves us with an important question. The Pfizer study is from a “follow-up through March 13, 2021.” That is over 5 months ago. Is the FDA using outdated data in support of the COMIRNATY approval?

In other words, how long does the effectiveness really last?

Pfizer has an answer for us. According to its August 23, 2021 fact sheet, “The duration of protection against COVID-19 is currently unknown.”

More...

https://technofog.substack.com/p/the-suspicious-fda-approval-of-the 

So we need to get MACS drunk. Shouldn't be a problem.

tonygraz wrote:

Shouldn't be a major factor but giving the makers, suppliers, and the government a free pass on liability kinda eliminates any risk on their end. All reward with no risk. If there is little or no risk for accountability of their actions, then what happens if $hit hits the fan? Ask Mitch McConnell!

Individuals are left holding the bag and have to live (or die) with any side effects and ramifications with no recourse. Makers, suppliers, and government skate free.

BuckyB93 wrote:

warp speed=no lawsuits.

gotta pick a side already...Trump gets credit or what?

frankj1 wrote:

warp speed=no lawsuits.

gotta pick a side already...Trump gets credit or what?

frankj1 wrote:

but will supporters turn on him if the vaccine proves dangerous?

frankj1 wrote:

but will supporters turn on him if the vaccine proves dangerous?

frankj1 wrote:

Nope... cause I wasn't fool enough to inject it yet.

MACS wrote:

Is that a tiny, tiny crack in the proverbial dam? Like it could happen one day?

rfenst wrote:

Absolutely, Robert. I'm ugly, I ain't stupid.

Long term effects of this vaccine are 100% unknown right now. Anyone who tells you different is lying to you. The virus came about in late 2019 (as far as we know). The vaccine itself is less than a year old and human trials are ongoing in the 190 million Americans Brewha loves to tell us took the shot.

New virus. New Vaccine. I give exactly zero sh*ts how many decades mRNA technology has been around. That tech has barely been tested on humans. This particular vaccine with that particular technology has never undergone clinical trials enough to determine, even remotely, long term effects. I challenge anyone to dispute those FACTS.

New virus, new vax... you people who took it are guinea pigs. In 5-15 years we're going to have sufficient data to determine if it's safe.

Did you know the vast majority of drugs/vaccines take 10-15 years to get FDA approval? And look at the list of side effects, including death, that they spout in their disclaimers. You're a personal injury attorney. You should be 100% familiar with this. These are drugs/vaccines that have met with FDA approval!!

Yessir. Count me as a "wait and see". But I may, eventually, get the shot... if it makes sense to me. Right now? Nope.

MACS wrote:

Yes. Trump gets full credit for making the vaccine.

They all still could have set-up a victim compensation fund or the like- if they really cared about the consequences of adverse reactions...

rfenst wrote:

Every single thing is true. Yet we come to polar opposite conclusions...

rfenst wrote: