DeSantis vs. Disney · Page 5

Free Fall
Auctions

Specials
Auctions

QuickBuy
Auctions

Newly Added
Auctions

Ending Soon
Auctions

Welcome Guest

Forum Terms & Conditions | My Topics

Speyside2
Herf-A-Holic

4 years ago

#81

Hey, you are right, it is comrade Ray. Nihilism is such a Russian concept.

rfenst
Herf-A-Holic Topic Starter

4 years ago

#82

Pity post from Spey, who thinks he's like Jesus or something.

Blames me for peeps going flaccid, mute and rage quitting. 😂

Spey hates that I snarl and rage against the evil commie progressive machine! :-({|=

Did I sum it up?

"Tu ne cede malis sed contra audentior ito," ("Do not give in to evil but proceed ever more boldly against it.")

RayR wrote:

What I think Spey is basically saying is that you do not fit in here, despite being given a hell of a lot of time to show otherwise. I'll let him speak for himself if I am incorrect. I know at least five good people on CBID who won't regularly post in the political section anymore solely because of your relentless personal criticisms, name calling, rage and personal attacks. That, IMO, is not cool. That's not being a BOTL on CBID, IMO.

HockeyDad
Herf-A-Holic

4 years ago

#83

“I hate Arizona. It always eight hundred degrees outside and everybody’s always saying, ‘But it’s a dry heat!’ So’s the inside of my microwave.” ~ Joan Rivers

rfenst
Herf-A-Holic Topic Starter

4 years ago

#84

The Attack on Big Mouse Is Also an Assault on Democracy

By Paul Krugman
NYT Opinion Columnist

Until recently the current confrontation between Disney and the State of Florida would have seemed inconceivable. The attacks by Florida Republicans on the entertainment giant will hurt the state’s economy, possibly severely; they reflect a sudden lurch toward intolerance in a nation that seemed to be growing ever more tolerant; and the allegations against Disney are, in a word, insane.

But what’s happening in Florida makes sense once you realize that what Gov. Ron DeSantis and his allies are up to has nothing to do with policy or even politics in the conventional sense. What we’re seeing instead are symptoms of the transformation of the G.O.P. from a normal political party into a radical movement built around conspiracy theories and intimidation.

On the economics: Just a few months ago The Tallahassee Democrat, a local newspaper, published an article titled “The Mouse That Need Not Roar,” arguing that Disney World’s huge role in Florida’s economy gave it almost unchallengeable political influence.

Most directly, Disney World is in a 25,000-acre “special district” within which the company provides basic public services even while paying local property taxes. Last week, however, DeSantis signed legislation eliminating that district, which will leave local taxpayers on the hook — and also, reportedly, saddle them with more than $1 billion in debt.

Beyond that, the resort, in addition to employing large numbers of people itself, draws millions of visitors each year — visitors who spend money that boosts the Florida economy in general. And less tangibly, Disney World has surely contributed to Florida’s image as a desirable place to visit and live. The state’s leisure and hospitality industry is huge, and Disney World is one important reason.

All of this was, however, put in jeopardy when Florida passed its “Don’t Say Gay” bill that not only restricted what schools can say about gender but also severely limited their ability to counsel troubled students without parental consent and opened the door to lawsuits by parents claiming violations of vaguely defined rules.

Disney had nothing to say about this legislation as it was being rammed through. But an entertainment company whose business depends in part on its public image can’t seem too far out of line with prevailing social mores. And American society as a whole has become far more open-minded on L.G.B.T.Q. issues than it used to be: Approval for same-sex marriage rose from 27 percent in 1996 to 70 percent last year. So late in the day — after the bill had already passed the Legislature — Disney’s C.E.O. finally declared that his company opposed it.

The Republican response has been extreme — but then, these days it always is.

Not long ago, using state power to impose financial penalties on corporations for expressing political views you dislike would have been considered beyond the pale. Indeed, it may well be unconstitutional. But the attack on Disney has gone far beyond financial reprisal: Suddenly, Mickey Mouse is part of a vast conspiracy. Florida’s lieutenant governor went on Newsmax to accuse Disney of “indoctrinating” and “sexualizing children” with its “not secret agenda.”

If this seems crazy — which it is — it’s also increasingly the Republican norm. I don’t think political reporting has caught up with how thoroughly Orbinization the G.O.P. has become.

As I mentioned the other day, roughly half of Republicans believe that “top Democrats are involved in elite child sex-trafficking rings.” Here’s an even more impressive number: 66 percent of Republicans buy into “white replacement theory,” agreeing wholly or partly with the claim that “the Democratic Party is trying to replace the current electorate with voters from poorer countries around the world.”

Given this mind-set, ambitious Republican politicians naturally pursue policies devised to play to the base’s paranoia and accuse anyone who opposes these policies of being part of a nefarious conspiracy.

And the bizarre nature of the attacks on Disney doesn’t just pander to the craziness of the G.O.P. base; the attacks’ very absurdity is also a message of intimidation aimed at the business world. It says, in effect: “It doesn’t matter how you conduct your business, how innocuous your behavior really is. If you criticize our actions, or fail in any way to demonstrate fealty to our cause, we will find a way to punish you.”

The obvious role model here is Viktor Orban’s Hungary, where the Conservative Political Action Conference will be held next month. As a recent Freedom House report put it, in Hungary “businesspeople whose activities are not in line with the financial or political interest of the government are likely to face harassment and intimidation, and subject to increasing administrative pressure for a possible takeover.”

So the fight over Disney is actually a symptom of a much broader and more troubling development: the QAnonization and Orbanization of one of America’s major political parties, which is putting our democracy at risk.

Edited by user 4 years ago | Reason: Not specified

RayR
Herf-A-Holic

4 years ago

#85

rfenst wrote:

No, I think you're right about Spey, at least one of his personalities is authoritarian, he prolly wants to cancel me.
But I'll let him speak for himself too.
As far as the other "at least five good people you speak of", they are most likely leftist pussies who expect a politics forum to be an echo chamber of progressive talking points. Maybe some neocons there too? Same thing. Every criticism hurts their feelings and is regarded as a personal attack. So sensitive they are, anything that rocks their boat makes them cry and run home to mama. They are the same everywhere.

rfenst
Herf-A-Holic Topic Starter

4 years ago

#86

RayR wrote:

You are such a tough guy. I'd cancel you from CBID in a heartbeat- if I could. Not because of your opinions, but because your behavior towards others- who merely have opinions different than yours. Grow some balls and behave like an adult.

Edited by user 4 years ago | Reason: Not specified

RayR
Herf-A-Holic

4 years ago

#87

I'd cancel you from CBID in a heartbeat- if I could. Not because of your opinions, but because your behavior towards other who merely have opinions different than yours.

rfenst wrote:

Now there's that authoritarian spirit coming out! I knew you could do it! 🤣

Sunoverbeach
Herf-A-Holic

4 years ago

#88

That is interesting SOB. His nihilism changed this place for me. The fun was gone. I am trying to overcome his negative presence and find fun here again.

Speyside2 wrote:

I understand what you're saying, Spey. My recommendation is to determine a way to wring enjoyment from the current environment and #MCFA. Illegitimi non carborundum!

For example, just hypothetically spitballing here, you could find a long list of puns, dark humor, various comedians, possibly even historical satirists and post them daily. Might be spiritually refreshing

Speyside2
Herf-A-Holic

4 years ago

#89

Ya know I actually wrote up that list. Unfortunately I lost it. Writing in invisible ink was a bad idea.

That is a play off an old SW few liner. Is that sort of what you mean?

This place right now reminds me of 2 elephants conjoined at the trunk. They can't trumpet like a normal elephant. They try but only go "Nork" and their eyes get really big.

TC

Speyside2
Herf-A-Holic

4 years ago

#90

Spot on Robert. Speaking of spot, I had a dog named Spot once. He got muddy one day and I never saw him again. Sadly I cleaned him with Spot remover.

SW

frankj1
Herf-A-Holic

4 years ago

#91

rfenst wrote:

pretty much.
It's not his beliefs, it's him.

HockeyDad
Herf-A-Holic

4 years ago

#92

Only independent districts established by special acts before Nov. 5, 1968 which was the year Florida's constitution was revised, which haven't been updated or reestablished since would be eliminated. Of the 132, only 6 meet this qualification for elimination or reestablishment.

Bradford County Development Authority
Sunshine Water Control District
Eastpoint Water and Sewer District
Hamilton County Development Authority
Marion County Law Library
Reedy Creek Improvement District

They all have a year to get reestablished and I suspect they all will. Disney is just going to have to renegotiate.

RCID is a unique beast. Books have been written about how Disney World was built from a governing state point. There have also been other run-ins before over its status. Basically it is an equivalent of a county with two underlying cities. It is designed to keep Orange and Osceola counties out of Disney’s business and control all tax revenues and keep those revenues from being used elsewhere in the counties or to have Orlando incorporate the area as part of the city. Walt and Roy had these problems with Anaheim and Orange County California. A lot of the justification for it existing was around EPCOT which was supposed to be an experimental city, not a theme park.

It is a massive governance and tax break to a major corporation than now Paul Krugman thinks is threat to democracy. The Democrats NOW think eliminating tax breaks to large corporations is bad….more specifically just this large corporation?

Democrats also think Elon Musk who they love for electric cars is a threat to Democracy because he bought Twitter and he might allow free speech and free speech is a threat to Democracy.

It’s a crazy world we live in.

Disclaimer: I like RCID. I like Disney. RCID is a former client of mine and that project was super fun!

Edited by user 4 years ago | Reason: Not specified

MACS
Herf-A-Holic

4 years ago

#93

NYT - another biased opinion. LOL!

Sunoverbeach
Herf-A-Holic

4 years ago

#94

Speyside2 wrote:

Exactomundo! Feel the happiness flow within you

RayR
Herf-A-Holic

4 years ago

#95

Right on HD.

And Krugman is as crazy as they come.

Everything not in line with the Democrat's schemes is a threat to duhmacracy.
Krugman didn't say anything about indoctrinating yoots with wokism and denying parents a say in their kid's education was a threat to duhmacracy...so I guess that stuff is pro-duhmacracy!

frankj1
Herf-A-Holic

4 years ago

#96

no fear of retribution from government for publicly disagreeing?
Smells like convenience and hypocrisy.

Sunoverbeach
Herf-A-Holic

4 years ago

#97

I just don't want to die alone, that's all. That's not too much to ask for, is it It would be nice to have someone care about me, for who I am, not about my wallet.
- RP

RayR
Herf-A-Holic

4 years ago

#98

How predictable....On Musk purchasing Twitter:

Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren called the purchase “dangerous for our democracy,”

Tim Allen Celebrates Twitter Freedom with 3 Words About Biden Twitter Didn't Want Us to See Before Musk Buyout

Hunter. Biden. Laptop

https://www.westernjournal.com/tim-allen-celebrates-twitter-freedom-3-words-biden-twitter-didnt-want-us-see-musk-buyout/

frankj1
Herf-A-Holic

4 years ago

#99

Ray supports government punishing dissension from corporations?

Anyone else not surprised?

rfenst
Herf-A-Holic Topic Starter

4 years ago

#100

no fear of retribution from government for publicly disagreeing?
Smells like convenience and hypocrisy.

frankj1 wrote:

The smell is the burning of Disney, which brings at least *I think* 10 million people or more to central florida each year and is the major engine of the region's economy.

Who is going to be responsible for all the miles and miles and miles of Disney roads and bridges, and infrastructure maintenance and construction?

Why frank with something so important that has worked so well for so long- when nothing has changed but the expression of political free speech- of the highest order under the first amendment.

Why did this suddenly require a special session? Nothing but an overbearing, shiv in the back, sham for not simply falling in line and speaking out.

I believe it to be pure political theater.

Edited by user 4 years ago | Reason: Not specified

Users browsing this topic

Important Information: