Gene363
3 years ago

Some people have a hard time accepting inconvenient truths after they take the bait and propaganda that has been fed to them.

BuckyB93 wrote:



The worst are those that should know better but keep their eyes and ears closed, and continue to advocate for these crazy policies.
Brewha
3 years ago

This kinda makes my point. EV technology is nowhere near where it needs to be to mandate the end of other technologies. In fact, I’d be very surprised if petroleum burning engines are replaced in medium and long haul applications.

Also, I suspect local delivery will fail to yield the desired results. In town stop and go traffic will likely reveal that parallel fleets are needed as many trucks that have multiple stops will not be able to deliver their full loads before their batteries weaken. There won’t be time to return to a charging terminal and finish a route before businesses receiving hours end.

Abrignac wrote:


Let's not mis-represent the few states that have mandates. There are no mandated to "end technologies".
In CA, in 13 years, you cannot buy a NEW car in the state unless it is EV or PEHV (runs on gas).
Drive the wheels off your 2034 model Hemi. Buy a PEHV and fill that tank every week if you like.

The math I have look at and test says that delivery vehicles are an ideal application for EVs. And they don't even need a 500 kWh battery like the semi are getting.
Many companies are tooling up for these. Walmart, Amazon and others are in bed with Rivian, Canoo and others. It's a big wave that is coming...

I agree with you that some applications will stay gas powered for decades to come. Most notable Air.
Brewha
3 years ago

Some people have a hard time accepting inconvenient truths after they take the bait and propaganda that has been fed to them.

BuckyB93 wrote:


That is no lie...
Sunoverbeach
3 years ago
I searched YT, and only found drag races. You may well be correct, Rick. I was only theorizing it may be more competitive in and out of corners since I knew there was no chance at straight acceleration. May have to go to super/hypercar levels to have a shot. I'm willing to test it, if you're all willing to fund it.

On the towing, an EV suffers. The Fast Lane Truck channel has a video where they towed identical 6k pound trailers with a gas GMC Denali and the Ford Lightning to compare range. The load took the expected 240mi range of the Lightning down to an estimated 95ish miles. They stopped short at 85mi due to lack of charging stations on the route
MACS
3 years ago
It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance. - Thomas Sowell
Brewha
3 years ago
Are you trying to be ironic?
clintCigar
3 years ago

On the towing, an EV suffers. The Fast Lane Truck channel has a video where they towed identical 6k pound trailers with a gas GMC Denali and the Ford Lightning to compare range. The load took the expected 240mi range of the Lightning down to an estimated 95ish miles. They stopped short at 85mi due to lack of charging stations on the route

Sunoverbeach wrote:


The new GMC Denali EV truck costs around $108k and will only tow 9.5k lbs. What a joke. I can tow 1.5x more and my truck cost 1/4 of that. Granted I did buy mine used though.
clintCigar
3 years ago

This is why they are a good first step. Add to that the 20 cent to the dollar vs gas operating cost, plus way lower maintenance and better performance.

That is why all of the car manufactures and killing themselves to get in the game.

I have one, and if you did you would wonder why you waited.

Brewha wrote:


Watch "New Study on Electric Cars Shocks the Entire Car Industry"


How much does it cost to replace your battery? And what about battery disposal?
DrMaddVibe
3 years ago

Watch "New Study on Electric Cars Shocks the Entire Car Industry"



How much does it cost to replace your battery? And what about battery disposal?

clintCigar wrote:



Great vid...well done.

Far cry from 20 cents on a dollar claim, especially when I'm still tooling around in a 2011 F-250.
clintCigar
3 years ago

Full Version

BuckyB93 wrote:


500k lb of raw materials to make 1 car EV battery. 😱
HockeyDad
3 years ago

500k lb of raw materials to make 1 car EV battery. 😱

clintCigar wrote:



Sometimes you gotta break a few eggs.
DrafterX
3 years ago
Macs said he can eat 50 hardboiled eggs... 😟
DrMaddVibe
3 years ago
Totally green...lollipops, rainbows and unicorn powered.
MACS
3 years ago

Are you trying to be ironic?

Brewha wrote:



I'm not the one trying to save the planet by telling everyone else to go electric.

It's like tryna remove sand from the beach one grain at a time. By the time it makes a difference the Earth will have expired and people will have been long gone, anyway.
MACS
3 years ago

The new GMC Denali EV truck costs around $108k and will only tow 9.5k lbs. What a joke. I can tow 1.5x more and my truck cost 1/4 of that. Granted I did buy mine used though.

clintCigar wrote:



How far can it tow those 9.5k pounds? 200 miles, at best?
MACS
3 years ago

Macs said he can eat 50 hardboiled eggs... 😟

DrafterX wrote:



I can! In about 2 weeks.
frankj1
3 years ago
I really don't understand the animosity toward perhaps a better, safer potential product...why are so many rooting against the possibility? The benefits to all and the enormous boost a perfected industry would have on employment, health, and wealth, around the world would be tremendous.

I think the key here is to be patient. In a few years or so Capitalism will have invested enough time and money into making batteries that do what we all need, and likely from aluminum and sulfur or some other very available base products (sodium?). End of China control and end of disposal dangers.

A few years, a few million dollars later the problem will be solved.

Corporations, universities and scientists have already begun the search.

Hang in there
HockeyDad
3 years ago

I really don't understand the animosity toward perhaps a better, safer potential product...why are so many rooting against the possibility? The benefits to all and the enormous boost a perfected industry would have on employment, health, and wealth, around the world would be tremendous.

I think the key here is to be patient. In a few years or so Capitalism will have invested enough time and money into making batteries that do what we all need, and likely from aluminum and sulfur or some other very available base products (sodium?). End of China control and end of disposal dangers.

A few years, a few million dollars later the problem will be solved.

Corporations, universities and scientists have already begun the search.

Hang in there

frankj1 wrote:




You really don’t understand the animosity towards a GOVERNMENT MANDATE?

Capitalism is not driving this. Government, the religion of climate change, and corporate environmental, social & governance scores are driving this.

Perhaps a better safer potential product….
Employment….
Health….
Wealth….around the world! Lovely ideas. Could happen. There will be wealth created and surely spread amongst the masses! Well at least the costs will be spread amongst the masses!


I’m in the green energy industry. Everyone buy an electric vehicle. I recognized a long time ago to not stand in the way of government fueled juggernaut!
frankj1
3 years ago
animosity toward a mandate? easily understood.

But maybe some here who love to believe conspiracy theories will like what I've been figuring for years now...even before it became apparent when the trash industry segued so smoothly into the recycling commandments that prompted many in the public to whine. it was getting tougher to find ways to get rid of refuse, so along came recycling a whole bunch of the chit. Jobs were created, social and health benefits ensued, and more wealth for the wealthy too...fast forward a few decades and a new "solution" will be coming to cities and towns near you soon cuz nothing lasts forever.
And the major players are still the major players.

Anyway, if people are gonna claim that our elected officials are in the pockets of Big Business, then doesn't it make sense that Big Business must want the mandates?
Who is better positioned to dominate the next generation of fuels and transportation than those already dominating them? They've know for decades the drilling and burning couldn't last forever, they ain't stoopid.



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