8trackdisco
2 years ago
Motivated by DMV's Presidentin' Is...The Thing...You Know...The Thing!
It is a cool journal of what has been going on with Biden over the years.
Like to have a similar library for the Trump quotes and actions- and whether the people who visit here agree with Trump or not.

So let's get the ball rolling with this one.

Trump suggested he would not protect a NATO ally who is not living up to their miltary spending commitments.
He (Trump) said he would encourage Russia to "Do whatever the hell they want."

Make your case for your response.
Yes, I agree with Trump's direction because......
No, I disagree with Trump's direction because....

Go!
deadeyedick
2 years ago
Trump talks stupid all the time. That said, I agree that all NATO "partners" need to pay up and he is the only one that has pressed the point. Buncha dead beats that have sucked of the US teets for many years.
8trackdisco
2 years ago

Trump talks stupid all the time. That said, I agree that all NATO "partners" need to pay up and he is the only one that has pressed the point. Buncha dead beats that have sucked of the US teets for many years.

deadeyedick wrote:



Do you agree with Trump that if a NATO partner isn't paid up, the United States should let Russia do whatever the helll they want to him?

Agree Trump says stupid chit regularly. His apologists just go the routes of either....
-He was making a joke!
-He was just making a point.
-Hell yeah, Merika!


Simply trying to apply the same standard to Trump as there is to Biden.




ZRX1200
2 years ago
You really think he was ok with Russia just going into Poland for not contributing? BTW they contribute a higher % now than us…..after that speech.

What do I think?

I think NATO is a joke. I think our aid relief needs a complete overhaul.

I think our foreign policy is overreaching.

I think our government is out of touch and control and every agency not within the federal government’s enumerated powers needs permanently suspended until a revamp that aligns with the FG’s mandate power is reigned in.

I think no federal Senator or Congressman should live in DC. They should live in their district no exceptions.

I think Legislators and elected and non-permanent appointments should be granted NO benefits after leaving their position. It’s a service not an industry.

I also think that any state or federal political positions pay should be based off of a percentage of their districts average income.

Some of the people you’ve been sword fighting with in the cbid restroom known as the politics boards POSTED about stuff Cheeto Jesus did wrong on that thread you mentioned. I specifically mentioned him abusing Executive power using an agency to enforce a law that doesn’t exist. And when I did every response I got from the Anti Cheeto crowd was about Cheeto….well guess what. He was far from the worst about abusing Chevron Deference with government agencies whom CANNOT CREATE LAW but have been. But nobody wanted to talk about that. Abuse is abuse and pretending he’s new and this is the worst ever was and is a joke. I get why you’d post this and in a vacuum is a very logical and fair post. But I’m not of that same agreement with what and how things went with outside circumstances acted against Cheeto Jesus to hold him to a HIGHER standard?

First off we’re starting with a false equivalency because traditional politicians are groomed as are their personas. The very reason Cheeto Jesus was elected was a rejection of the norms. Now with that the establishment having a freak out reaction isn’t past reason. But with what happened people of all political stripes should be upset with what’s happened. And no I’m not going into it because if you don’t know by now there is literally no use in going through it.


RayR
2 years ago
OK..I agree with Z.
frankj1
2 years ago
8 years...Presidentin' Be Hard

4 years...ssshhhhhhh

almost 4 years...Presidentin' is the thing, you know, the thing


the dye is cast
Abrignac
2 years ago

You really think he was ok with Russia just going into Poland for not contributing? BTW they contribute a higher % now than us…..after that speech.

No, but to say so is stupid. Ranks right there if not worse than the stupidest Biden quote one can think of.

What do I think?

I think NATO is a joke. I think our aid relief needs a complete overhaul.

Why?

I think our foreign policy is overreaching.

Why?

I think our government is out of touch and control and every agency not within the federal government’s enumerated powers needs permanently suspended until a revamp that aligns with the FG’s mandate power is reigned in.

Which agency or agencies are you speaking of? Unless I’m mistaken the Constitution clearly spells out the duties of Congress and the Presidency. In doing so it gives those two branches of government the enumerated powers to govern by passing laws. Unless I’m mistaken EVERY existing Federal agency was created by passage of a law.

I think no federal Senator or Congressman should live in DC. They should live in their district no exceptions.

Can’t live in DC? So are you saying they should fly home at the end of every day? Who foots that bill? BTW, a Senator and a Representative are both considered Congressmen as the US Congress is composed of the US Senate and the US House of Representatives.

I think Legislators and elected and non-permanent appointments should be granted NO benefits after leaving their position. It’s a service not an industry.

So if I understand correctly you pretty much feel that one’s entire public service should be limited say 2-6 years? Otherwise, who in their right mind would dedicate any more time to a career that has no retirement benefits? BTW, what is your body of public service? Surely you have served. Since no one will hang around long absent an incentive everyone will need to participate.

I also think that any state or federal political positions pay should be based off of a percentage of their districts average income.

A percentage you say? Does that mean that they should be paid between 1% and 98.2% of the average pay in their district? Or say 100% to 300%? Let’s say it’s pegged at 50% of the district average. For Medford, OR the 2022 per capita income was $33,822 so 50% of that is $16,911; the median is $65,647 and 50% of that is $32,823.50. So you’re good with that? Enough so you’re going to file your candidacy papers tomorrow for the election this November?

Some of the people you’ve been sword fighting with in the cbid restroom known as the politics boards POSTED about stuff Cheeto Jesus did wrong on that thread you mentioned. I specifically mentioned him abusing Executive power using an agency to enforce a law that doesn’t exist. And when I did every response I got from the Anti Cheeto crowd was about Cheeto….well guess what. He was far from the worst about abusing Chevron Deference with government agencies whom CANNOT CREATE LAW but have been. But nobody wanted to talk about that. Abuse is abuse and pretending he’s new and this is the worst ever was and is a joke. I get why you’d post this and in a vacuum is a very logical and fair post. But I’m not of that same agreement with what and how things went with outside circumstances acted against Cheeto Jesus to hold him to a HIGHER standard?

First off we’re starting with a false equivalency because traditional politicians are groomed as are their personas. The very reason Cheeto Jesus was elected was a rejection of the norms. Now with that the establishment having a freak out reaction isn’t past reason. But with what happened people of all political stripes should be upset with what’s happened. And no I’m not going into it because if you don’t know by now there is literally no use in going through it.

ZRX1200 wrote:

MACS
2 years ago
Was NATO really created to help "allies" or was it created so the USA could put bases in European countries to protect our own interests?

Shouldn't NATO be a mutually beneficial relationship? It's been all USA and very little of anyone else until Trump called them on it.

If you've not paid your premiums... is the insurance company still obligated to pay your claims??
8trackdisco
2 years ago

You really think he was ok with Russia just going into Poland for not contributing? BTW they contribute a higher % now than us…..after that speech.

What do I think?

I think NATO is a joke. I think our aid relief needs a complete overhaul.

I think our foreign policy is overreaching.

I think our government is out of touch and control and every agency not within the federal government’s enumerated powers needs permanently suspended until a revamp that aligns with the FG’s mandate power is reigned in.

I think no federal Senator or Congressman should live in DC. They should live in their district no exceptions.

I think Legislators and elected and non-permanent appointments should be granted NO benefits after leaving their position. It’s a service not an industry.

I also think that any state or federal political positions pay should be based off of a percentage of their districts average income.

Some of the people you’ve been sword fighting with in the cbid restroom known as the politics boards POSTED about stuff Cheeto Jesus did wrong on that thread you mentioned. I specifically mentioned him abusing Executive power using an agency to enforce a law that doesn’t exist. And when I did every response I got from the Anti Cheeto crowd was about Cheeto….well guess what. He was far from the worst about abusing Chevron Deference with government agencies whom CANNOT CREATE LAW but have been. But nobody wanted to talk about that. Abuse is abuse and pretending he’s new and this is the worst ever was and is a joke. I get why you’d post this and in a vacuum is a very logical and fair post. But I’m not of that same agreement with what and how things went with outside circumstances acted against Cheeto Jesus to hold him to a HIGHER standard?

First off we’re starting with a false equivalency because traditional politicians are groomed as are their personas. The very reason Cheeto Jesus was elected was a rejection of the norms. Now with that the establishment having a freak out reaction isn’t past reason. But with what happened people of all political stripes should be upset with what’s happened. And no I’m not going into it because if you don’t know by now there is literally no use in going through it.


ZRX1200 wrote:



You really think he was ok with Russia just going into Poland for not contributing? BTW they contribute a higher % now than us…..


That is the question I’m asking you. He said what he said. I’m asking YOU. Trump made the statement the Russians can do whatever the hell he wants to the NATO countries that haven’t meant their financial commitments.

On this issue, do you support Trump’s statement or not?
8trackdisco
2 years ago

Was NATO really created to help "allies" or was it created so the USA could put bases in European countries to protect our own interests?

Shouldn't NATO be a mutually beneficial relationship? It's been all USA and very little of anyone else until Trump called them on it.

If you've not paid your premiums... is the insurance company still obligated to pay your claims??

MACS wrote:



Good questions. My question remains the same.

Trump said what he said about not protecting underfunded NATO countries and the Russians can do whatever the hell they want to those countries.

Do you support Trumps position or not?
MACS
2 years ago
First I'd like to see what he actually said, in the context of which he said it.

Do I agree that Russia should be able to do "whatever the hell they want"? No.

Is it our responsibility to control them, though? Our trying to control them is part of what is making them do some of the stuff they're doing. We look out for our interests. They look out for theirs. At this point fighting is not an option, as we'd both destroy civilization as we know it.

Maybe make a mutually beneficial agreement instead of always trying to maintain the upper hand? There's no "upper hand" any more. Nuclear war would be the result and neither of us can survive it.

Antagonizing them is, as you would say, counterintuitive. 😇
DrMaddVibe
2 years ago

You really think he was ok with Russia just going into Poland for not contributing? BTW they contribute a higher % now than us…..after that speech.

What do I think?

I think NATO is a joke. I think our aid relief needs a complete overhaul.

I think our foreign policy is overreaching.

I think our government is out of touch and control and every agency not within the federal government’s enumerated powers needs permanently suspended until a revamp that aligns with the FG’s mandate power is reigned in.

I think no federal Senator or Congressman should live in DC. They should live in their district no exceptions.

I think Legislators and elected and non-permanent appointments should be granted NO benefits after leaving their position. It’s a service not an industry.

I also think that any state or federal political positions pay should be based off of a percentage of their districts average income.

Some of the people you’ve been sword fighting with in the cbid restroom known as the politics boards POSTED about stuff Cheeto Jesus did wrong on that thread you mentioned. I specifically mentioned him abusing Executive power using an agency to enforce a law that doesn’t exist. And when I did every response I got from the Anti Cheeto crowd was about Cheeto….well guess what. He was far from the worst about abusing Chevron Deference with government agencies whom CANNOT CREATE LAW but have been. But nobody wanted to talk about that. Abuse is abuse and pretending he’s new and this is the worst ever was and is a joke. I get why you’d post this and in a vacuum is a very logical and fair post. But I’m not of that same agreement with what and how things went with outside circumstances acted against Cheeto Jesus to hold him to a HIGHER standard?

First off we’re starting with a false equivalency because traditional politicians are groomed as are their personas. The very reason Cheeto Jesus was elected was a rejection of the norms. Now with that the establishment having a freak out reaction isn’t past reason. But with what happened people of all political stripes should be upset with what’s happened. And no I’m not going into it because if you don’t know by now there is literally no use in going through it.


ZRX1200 wrote:



This thread certainly didn't age well.
8trackdisco
2 years ago

First I'd like to see what he actually said, in the context of which he said it.

Do I agree that Russia should be able to do "whatever the hell they want"? No.

MACS wrote:



Thank you Brother for answering the question as presented.
I assure you I didn’t twist or turn his words.
Words have consequences. And there is a continual drumbeat for equal Justice in how Trump and Biden are treated.
I’d also like to see Trump and Biden being held equally accountable for their words.
Abrignac
2 years ago
As long as one side of any equation is obsessed with making the other side bend a knee there will never be peace. The side complying will simplify do so to live another day. In the interim they’ll recharge, replenish and reevaluate. At some point they will launch a new offensive aimed at their original goal.

Then you have those whose goal is to reach past glory. I think this is Putin’s vision. It seems he wants to be remembered for rebuilding the old USSR so anything short of that is failure and thus unacceptable.

NATO was created to confront both of these scenarios. Unfortunately, many member countries figured out that the USA would unilaterally fund NATO to meet its stated mission. It’s past time putting up with that nonsense.

If NATO didn’t exist and adversaries were allowed to take over it would no doubt affect our own national security. We are dependent on certain foreign goods that cannot be produced in the USA.
HockeyDad
2 years ago
What Trump said was correct but needs to remain behind closed doors.

Think of it this way, if NATO country X doesn’t want to spend enough money on their own defense, I’m not sending 8trsckdisco’s kids there to fight and die.
DrMaddVibe
2 years ago

What Trump said was correct but needs to remain behind closed doors.

Think of it this way, if NATO country X doesn’t want to spend enough money on their own defense, I’m not sending 8trsckdisco’s kids there to fight and die.

HockeyDad wrote:




Well, Bosnia yes...Rwanda no.
RayR
2 years ago

Was NATO really created to help "allies" or was it created so the USA could put bases in European countries to protect our own interests?

Shouldn't NATO be a mutually beneficial relationship? It's been all USA and very little of anyone else until Trump called them on it.

If you've not paid your premiums... is the insurance company still obligated to pay your claims??

MACS wrote:



NATO was created so the USA could put bases in European countries, to expand the reach of the empire, and protect it from the Soviet commie expansion that FDR freely gave to his buddy Uncle Joe Stalin which threw most of the Eastern European people under the authoritarian bus.
That made the US the insurance company of last resort for the Western European countries that couldn't/wouldn't pay for their own protection.


Mr. Jones
2 years ago
Russia went into Poland WAY BEFORE NATO U DUMBOS...
LIKE 1945 WWII STUFF...
8trackdisco
2 years ago

What Trump said was correct but needs to remain behind closed doors.

Think of it this way, if NATO country X doesn’t want to spend enough money on their own defense, I’m not sending 8trsckdisco’s kids there to fight and die.

HockeyDad wrote:



So you agree with and support Trump on this. Got it. Thanks, HD.
8trackdisco
2 years ago

Well, Bosnia yes...Rwanda no.

DrMaddVibe wrote:



Do you agree with Trumps position on this? Let Russia do whatever the hell they want?
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