RayR
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a year ago
Here we go again.

The Jacobins ever since the French Revolution have hated Judeo-Christian values.
Which of the 10 Commandments do you think they find most offensive and need to be kept away from inquisitive young minds in government schools?


Leftists Cry ‘Separation of Church and State’ Over New Ten Commandments Law – Here’s a History Lesson for Them

by Michael Schwarz, The Western Journal Jun. 21, 2024 8:30 am

Rarely have seven innocuous words, misinterpreted and then amplified, caused so much mischief.

On Wednesday, Republican Gov. Jeff Landry of Louisiana ignited leftist outrage by signing a bill that requires all the state’s public school classrooms to display the Ten Commandments.

Predictably, opponents of the bill cited a paraphrased version of a line that appeared in an 1802 letter written by President Thomas Jefferson: “wall of separation between church and state.”

As we shall see, the use of that “separation” phrase to attack Louisiana’s law amounts to an act of sophistry.

No doubt anticipating such objections, Louisiana earmarked no state money for the mandate’s implementation, relying instead on private funds.

Likewise, to affirm that the mandated display constitutes an acknowledgement of the Ten Commandments’ historical significance, not an endorsement of a particular religious creed, the law also requires a four-paragraph context statement tying the Ten Commandments to American foundational documents.

That, of course, did not satisfy the bill’s opponents.

“BREAKING: We’re suing Louisiana for requiring all public schools to display the Ten Commandments in every classroom. Public schools are not Sunday schools,” the American Civil Liberties Union tweeted.

MORE:

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/06/leftists-cry-separation-church-state-new-ten-commandments/ 

frankj1
a year ago
dumbest op title of the year.
ZRX1200
a year ago
I support the separation of church and state.

I don’t support the separation of church from state, but the 10 commandments don’t belong being posted in a school.

Teaching about religions is fine to me too. School should be all learning not indoctrination.
rfenst
a year ago

I support the separation of church and state.

I don’t support the separation of church from state, but the 10 commandments don’t belong being posted in a school.

Teaching about religions is fine to me too. School should be all learning not indoctrination.

ZRX1200 wrote:


No 10 Commandments in public schools.
No public high schools teaching about religion- unless it is a balanced, comparative religion class.
RayR
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a year ago

dumbest op title of the year.

frankj1 wrote:



But your curiosity made you click on it, Frankie.

How aboui that lefty notion of banning the 10 Commandments and discussing of their historical sugnificance to American foundational documents in government skools?
What's your comment?

Did anybody even read the article?
Does anybody understand what Jefferson meant by “wall of separation between church and state"?


frankj1
a year ago

But your curiosity made you click on it, Frankie.

How aboui that lefty notion of banning the 10 Commandments and discussing of their historical sugnificance to American foundational documents in government skools?
What's your comment?

Did anybody even read the article?
Does anybody understand what Jefferson meant by “wall of separation between church and state"?


RayR wrote:


I don't purposely avoid any poster here.
But your op title starts off with an ignorant divisive statement...

though you seem able to speak for everyone in disagreement with your views, I can only speak for me, a single member of the left of center...and I might call on you as Witness #1 as someone light years removed from my reality who has been personally encouraged to get involved here by this "lefty" writer...B.Hive would also be able to testify on my behalf...but he is human enough to control himself regarding generalizations.

I used to hear that if a true/false statement has one false answer, the whole statement is therefore false. Making sweeping blanket pronouncements of all in opposition to any of your beliefs is always easy to prove false.

I need only look at me.
frankj1
a year ago

I support the separation of church and state.

I don’t support the separation of church from state, but the 10 commandments don’t belong being posted in a school.

Teaching about religions is fine to me too. School should be all learning not indoctrination.

ZRX1200 wrote:


we mostly agree, and the part(s) in question are likely nit picky anyway...
DrafterX
a year ago



I used to hear that if a true/false statement has one false answer, the whole statement is therefore false. Making sweeping blanket pronouncements of all in opposition to any of your beliefs is always easy to prove false.
.

frankj1 wrote:




I heard that too... 😟
Gene363
a year ago
A dedicated atheist friend said religion should not be taught in a public schools except as a part of history. He also said taking Christian values out of school to satisfy anti religious zealots was a huge mistake, he was correct.

So because the Ten Commandments are from the Bible they are not allowed in a school period is just idiotic.

I think it would be great to teach kids:

1 Not to worship idols (politicians/actors etc)

2 Not make unto thee any graven images (porn)

3 Not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain. (No cursing)

4 Remember the Sabbath day and keep it Holy. (No school on Saturday or Sunday)

5 Honor your father and mother (No explanation needed)

6 Thou shalt not kill (No explanation needed)

7. Thou shalt not commit adultery (No explanation needed)

8. Thou shalt not steal (No explanation needed)

9. Thou shall not bear false witness (No explanation needed)

10. You shall not covet (No explanation needed)
frankj1
a year ago
But Moses wasn't Christian. How did he get gypped outta the credit?
He is in the Books of my religion, but I hear we are wrong...

You know what? Send your kids to (public) school and teach them whatever you decide to name your values. I trust you to do that well. But Let me decide what and how my kids' get their values.

If only my people could finally find a country that lets us.
frankj1
a year ago

I heard that too... 😟

DrafterX wrote:


you're the bestest!
Gene363
a year ago

But Moses wasn't Christian. How did he get gypped outta the credit?
He is in the Books of my religion, but I hear we are wrong...

You know what? Send your kids to (public) school and teach them whatever you decide to name your values. I trust you to do that well. But Let me decide what and how my kids' get their values.

If only my people could finally find a country that lets us.

frankj1 wrote:



Credit or blame, depending on who is asking.

People have been sending their kids to public school, look around and see that's worked out. Parents are to distracted by work/drugs/keeping up with others/etc not necessarily in that order.

Expecting parents to teach their kids values is about as successful as parents teaching kids about *sex, it's not happening.

* plain old hetro stuff only and maybe birth control too.
jeebling
a year ago

No 10 Commandments in public schools.
No public high schools teaching about religion- unless it is a balanced, comparative religion class.

rfenst wrote:



I agree. I do think that comparative religion study should be in the curriculum. Not so much with the oral / anal sex discussions between students and teachers though. Anal sex and religion should be taught in the home. Umm…something like that.
frankj1
a year ago

Credit or blame, depending on who is asking.

People have been sending their kids to public school, look around and see that's worked out. Parents are to distracted by work/drugs/keeping up with others/etc not necessarily in that order.

Expecting parents to teach their kids values is about as successful as parents teaching kids about *sex, it's not happening.

* plain old hetro stuff only and maybe birth control too.

Gene363 wrote:


good thing those loser parents have us smaht guys...

Look, I think the honest answer would be that there is a pretty significant portion of our population that would like to find any way to sneak their beliefs...the beliefs that they are so convinced warrant unquestionable faith...into public schools and anywhere at all they can in society.

I count many true believers, people of tremendous faith, among my dearest friends...a few can be seen here.
But they also have no business forcing those beliefs on any other person, no matter how benevolent they feel about them or themselves.

As for me, I'd follow the Ten Commandments and many more even had I not been introduced to them in a non-public supported place of worship freely selected by my parents. I am not of a shared opinion with you that other parents are not as worthy as me to parent their own offspring whether through the private family choice of religion or simply by setting examples of living "correctly", or both.



As for sex ed, that's science. Parents can still add/support the topic at home, but science classes probably supplement the "mechanics" taught at the kitchen table....though I'd like to see seahorses left out of the subject. They're sickos.
RayR
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a year ago

I don't purposely avoid any poster here.
But your op title starts off with an ignorant divisive statement...

though you seem able to speak for everyone in disagreement with your views, I can only speak for me, a single member of the left of center...and I might call on you as Witness #1 as someone light years removed from my reality who has been personally encouraged to get involved here by this "lefty" writer...B.Hive would also be able to testify on my behalf...but he is human enough to control himself regarding generalizations.

I used to hear that if a true/false statement has one false answer, the whole statement is therefore false. Making sweeping blanket pronouncements of all in opposition to any of your beliefs is always easy to prove false.

I need only look at me.

frankj1 wrote:




I love it when you left O' centers call me divisive. 🥰♥️♥️
The rest of what you said isn't an argument, at least not one that is understandable, except maybe to you.

There is only one reason lefties get outraged at real history and any mention of moral values getting taught in those socialist indoctrination camps.
They are anti-free speech and they fear they are losing control over their monopoly on brainwashing young minds.
Gene363
a year ago

good thing those loser parents have us smaht guys...

Look, I think the honest answer would be that there is a pretty significant portion of our population that would like to find any way to sneak their beliefs...the beliefs that they are so convinced warrant unquestionable faith...into public schools and anywhere at all they can in society.

I count many true believers, people of tremendous faith, among my dearest friends...a few can be seen here.
But they also have no business forcing those beliefs on any other person, no matter how benevolent they feel about them or themselves.

As for me, I'd follow the Ten Commandments and many more even had I not been introduced to them in a non-public supported place of worship freely selected by my parents. I am not of a shared opinion with you that other parents are not as worthy as me to parent their own offspring whether through the private family choice of religion or simply by setting examples of living "correctly", or both.



As for sex ed, that's science. Parents can still add/support the topic at home, but science classes probably supplement the "mechanics" taught at the kitchen table....though I'd like to see seahorses left out of the subject. They're sickos.

frankj1 wrote:



True! And what they do not realize if it's good for their religion, sooner or later the death cult, the atheists and the satanist will demand equal access, F' that!

I applaud your optimism and I am not advocating the state raise children, perhaps school choice and or encourage home schooling.
DrafterX
a year ago

you're the bestest!

frankj1 wrote:




🤣
frankj1
a year ago

I love it when you left O' centers call me divisive. 🥰♥️♥️
The rest of what you said isn't an argument, at least not one that is understandable1, except maybe to you.

There is only one reason lefties get outraged at real history2 and any mention of moral values getting taught in those socialist indoctrination camps.
They are anti-free speech and they fear they are losing control over their monopoly on brainwashing young minds.

RayR wrote:


1- sorry. didn't know you are an ESL kid. What is your native tongue? I'll work with a translation thingy.
Or, we could ask every other person here to tell you what I said.

2- your choice of history.

if there was a 3- it would be about generalizing again. I do not speak for any group, any more than you speak for reality in the world today.
RayR
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a year ago

1- sorry. didn't know you are an ESL kid. What is your native tongue? I'll work with a translation thingy.
Or, we could ask every other person here to tell you what I said.

2- your choice of history.

if there was a 3- it would be about generalizing again. I do not speak for any group, any more than you speak for reality in the world today.

frankj1 wrote:



History is the remembered past, it is verifiable through research. It is not a choice.

Mythmaking is a choice, it tries to force your desired history of what has been on others, which more often than not has no basis in reality.



Mr. Jones
a year ago
Sorry RayR....

Frank.... HAS PINNED YOU ON THE MAT...

AND WON THIS ARGUEMENT...

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YOU L.O.S.T.

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