Abrignac
a year ago
Breaux and Tauzin: Hyper-polarization, war-like rhetoric have poisoned our politics
BY JOHN BREAUX AND BILLY TAUZIN Jul 24, 2024 Updated 13 hrs ago

n times of uncertainty or crisis, candidates for public office too often use inflammatory rhetoric to sow fear and anger among voters in hopes of gaining political advantage. Such tactics are dangerous. They polarize our nation — and sometimes even lead to violence.

We now find ourselves in such times.

Seven of the past nine U.S. presidents have been targets of violent attacks or assassination attempts. At least that many other public officials have been targets of political violence.

This must stop.

We both had the honor of representing Louisiana in Washington at a time when members of opposing political parties — like us — could respectfully air honest disagreements and still know each other as close friends.

In those days, personal relationships often mattered as much as party affiliation, and “compromise” was not a dirty word. In fact, finding middle ground on major issues was a noble — and very achievable — goal, one that we both proudly pursued.

Nowadays, there’s a dividing line between Republicans and Democrats, and party leaders don’t allow members to cross that line. It’s always, “We’re right and they’re wrong.” That message comes from both sides, which makes it exceedingly difficult to work together to produce good legislation.

This didn’t happen overnight. Nor did it happen by accident.

When someone runs for office today, the first thing consultants do is dig into an opponent’s history all the way back to kindergarten. Candidates go after each other personally rather than debate sincere policy differences. That’s why too many good people don’t run for public office. They fear unwarranted, personal attacks on themselves and their family.

Third-party committees produce attack ads that are especially hurtful, but they are not alone.

Candidates rely too much on national parties for messaging and money. Parties thus control the tenor of most campaigns, which makes them complicit in the toxicity of today’s politics. After Election Day, the party consultants go back to Washington, unaware of — and unfazed by — the hurt they leave behind.

Another aspect of this toxicity is the increased use of the language of war — words common to military campaigns — to frame political campaigns. Notice how often candidates use words like “fight,” “battle,” “attack,” “destroy,” “threat,” “target” and other war-related metaphors.

Political campaigns, like wars, cause wounds and leave scars.

People get elected today not to get along, but to get even. Campaigns are so mean that even good candidates struggle to get over campaign wounds. It’s all so personal. They arrive in Washington angry at the other party and mistrustful of its members.

All this has left us beyond polarized now. We are hyper-polarized, and this hyper-polarization is baked into our politics. We have created solidly Democratic and solidly Republican congressional districts. To win in those districts, candidates be the most extreme liberal or the most extreme conservative in the race. This has filtered down to the state level.

To reverse this hyper-polarization, we must return to more balanced districts that force candidates to respond to diverse constituencies.

We also need a conversation about how media — especially social media — poison political discourse in America by generating a constant barrage of toxic talk and images.

Each of us has an obligation in those intensely emotional conversations to call people out when their language goes too far. On a larger scale, we need objective voices in the national media shaming people who go too far — even if they don’t have a sense of shame.

In a free society, that’s all we can do. The First Amendment protects even outrageous speech. We can’t outlaw it, but we can shame people who go too far. Shaming people works, especially if it comes from all sides, resoundingly and constantly, until the shameful rhetoric ends.

But shaming is only a short-term measure.

Long-term, we must end the hyper-polarization in America that separates Americans from one another by creating more diverse congressional and legislative districts.

We Americans are passionate about our political beliefs. Our passions reflect how deeply we love our nation and the ideals it represents, even — or especially — when our laws and policies fall short of those ideals.

But we must reject the language of war and other inflammatory political rhetoric. We must remember, even in the course of intense political campaigns, that we are neighbors, friends and fellow Americans first and foremost, each deserving of respect and civility.

Above all, we must never let our passions determine how we treat one another.


John Breaux represented Louisiana in Washington for 33 years — 15 in the House and 18 in the Senate. Billy Tauzin served Louisiana in the U.S. House for 25 years — 15 as a Democrat and 10 as a Republican.

https://www.theadvocate.com/baton_rouge/news/politics-polarization-partisanship-democrats-republicans-congress-government/article_fed67724-ab9f-5555-9277-7be95e72f52a.html 
RayR
a year ago
He speaks as if this hyper-polarization, and war-like rhetoric is relatively new to politics. It ain't so.
The problem has always been the centralization of power in the center where every side wants to own the throne.

What Do We Do About “Gut Level Hatred” in American Politics?

Jul 20, 2023 by Brion McClanahan
Podcast

I’ve talked about this issue many times on my Podcast. Americans are angry, so much so that we are seeing rhetorical conflict unmatched since the 1850s.

At least we could define “woman.”

Regardless, all of the hand wringing and angst over the current polarization of American politics misses one key ingredient: centralization of power.

The culture war would not be an issue if we had real federalism.

That was the whole point. Massachusetts did not want to be governed by South Carolina and South Carolina did not want to be governed by New England.

Who does?

This was a commonly understood in the nineteenth century, but after the Lincolnian Revolution of 1861, we’ve lost sight of the beauty of federalism.

Peace.

If people in Mississippi did not have to worry about those in California, they wouldn’t wring their hands wondering if Gavin Newsome becomes president.

Joe Biden would be irrelevant. So would Donald Trump.

So would the Supreme Court.

This should be a selling point.

Of course, the progressive left and right aren’t really interested in federalism because they want power and are willing to suffer through dark times so long as they can “own” the other side when they ascend to the throne.

Lincolnian nationalism is a disease that needs to be eradicated.

It can’t so long as Americans continue to believe in the “Righteous Cause Myth” and the glory of “Honest Abe.” “Conservatives” are as much responsible for this as the Left, perhaps more so.

This is why I talk about the problem so often.

You can’t say it loudly enough or often enough.

https://www.brionmcclanahan.com/blog/what-do-we-do-about-gut-level-hatred-in-american-politics/ 





Gene363
a year ago
It's really pretty simple:

Stop trying to run everyone's life and mind your own business.

Follow The Constitution and The Bill of Rights instead of constantly trying to get around them.
Abrignac
a year ago

It's really pretty simple:

Stop trying to run everyone's life and mind your own business.

Follow The Constitution and The Bill of Rights instead of constantly trying to get around them.

Gene363 wrote:



Good policy ideas for sure. I’d add that we shouldn’t limit ourselves to just the first 10 amendments but include all of them. I’m not sure how that dovetails with political rhetoric though which is what the article refers to.
RayR
a year ago

It's really pretty simple:

Stop trying to run everyone's life and mind your own business.

Follow The Constitution and The Bill of Rights instead of constantly trying to get around them.

Gene363 wrote:



Unfortunately, that's not how practical politics works.
Practical politics as it is, is immoral and ideologically driven with the intent to instill fear in the peasants and demand the right to steal their stuff, being an obnoxious busybody, taking away the rights of some, and creating imaginary rights for those who pledge allegiance to your rule.

As long as enough people can be frightened, then all people can be ruled. That is how it works in a democratic system and mass fear becomes the ticket to destroy rights across the board. - James Bovard


Gene363
a year ago

Unfortunately, that's not how practical politics works.
Practical politics as it is, is immoral and ideologically driven with the intent to instill fear in the peasants and demand the right to steal their stuff, being an obnoxious busybody, taking away the rights of some, and creating imaginary rights for those who pledge allegiance to your rule.

As long as enough people can be frightened, then all people can be ruled. That is how it works in a democratic system and mass fear becomes the ticket to destroy rights across the board. - James Bovard


RayR wrote:



And most of all, 99% of voters are idiots.
frankj1
a year ago

And most of all, 99% of voters are like uh idiot.

Gene363 wrote:



has a better ring to it, no?
RayR
a year ago
Frankie! It sounds like you now believe duhmacracy is S T U P I D ! 🖐

I listened to Washington Journal on CSPAN this morning for a little while.
The average IQ of the call-ins was 50.

Brewha
a year ago

It's really pretty simple:

Stop trying to run everyone's life and mind your own business.

Follow The Constitution and The Bill of Rights instead of constantly trying to get around them.

Gene363 wrote:



We Agree!

Women should have the right to re-productive freedom. Why are men messing with them anyway? Doesn’t seem American to me.
RayR
a year ago

We Agree!

Women should have the right to re-productive freedom. Why are men messing with them anyway? Doesn’t seem American to me.

Brewha wrote:



Well, if men weren't messing with them, then they wouldn't have to worry about their reproductive freedom. Maybe those reproductive freedom women should just be lesbos.
8trackdisco
a year ago


Women should have the right to re-productive freedom. Why are men messing with them anyway? Doesn’t seem American to me.

Brewha wrote:



What about Seamen Donor Rights?

Seems if a woman can have the baby against the father’s will, and extort him for 18 years worth of Child Support, shouldn’t Father in Waiting get paid by the woman every year for 18 years after the abortion?
Abrignac
a year ago

What about Seamen Donor Rights?

Seems if a woman can have the baby against the father’s will, and extort him for 18 years worth of Child Support, shouldn’t Father in Waiting get paid by the woman every year for 18 years after the abortion?

8trackdisco wrote:



Two ideas immediately arise when I think about that. Is the purpose of Child Support to support the mother or his child? In addition, what about being responsible for one's actions? If a male doesn't want to pay for a child, then he needs to avoid fathering one.

That said I'll concede that the actual support order and how it is calculated is an entirely different subject. I will further stipulate that those orders are not always fair.

As far as paying the sperm donor of an aborted fetus, for what purpose should they be paid? What expenses are they going to incur from an abortion other than perhaps voluntarily paying some portion of the actual procedure?

Should a woman be paid for pain and suffering for being forced to incubate a child in her body against her will? Wouldn't that be similar to slavery where a person is forced to perform a task against their will? Or like a prison sentence of labor for which they have not been found guilty of a crime?
Abrignac
a year ago

And most of all, 99% of voters are idiots.

Gene363 wrote:



Assuming you're a voter, wouldn't the odds then be 99 to 1 that you are an idiot?
Brewha
a year ago

What about Seamen Donor Rights?

Seems if a woman can have the baby against the father’s will, and extort him for 18 years worth of Child Support, shouldn’t Father in Waiting get paid by the woman every year for 18 years after the abortion?

8trackdisco wrote:


Men should have their rights respected whether they are in the Navy or not.

But should they have the right to go around fathering children and not supporting them?

[-(
Brewha
a year ago

Assuming you're a voter, wouldn't the odds then be 99 to 1 that you are an idiot?

Abrignac wrote:


Gene has always been a 1 percenter.

And particularly respectful of women…..
MaduroJorge
a year ago
[quote=Brewha]We Agree!

Women should have the right to re-productive freedom. Why are men messing with them anyway? Doesn’t seem American to me.[/quote/

In my book, Re-Productive Fredoom does not include
Re-cycling Babies like soda cans!!!

It includes contraceptives pills, rubbers,BJs, corn holing,
not spreading their legs and tracking menstrual cycles
8trackdisco
a year ago


As far as paying the sperm donor of an aborted fetus, for what purpose should they be paid?

Abrignac wrote:



Loss of companionship.

My son is now in his twenties. My life has been much enriched by him being here.

If he was aborted, I wouldn’t have had a single moment with him. The loss is incalculable. But the dollar amount is certainly much more than zero.
8trackdisco
a year ago


But should they have the right to go around fathering children and not supporting them?
[-(

Brewha wrote:



Men should pitch in financially if he is the father.
Just like my stance on the woman paying for loss of companionship.

Equality.
RayR
a year ago
WEIRD is the new word in the DemoBolshevik Warbook. It's all the rage

WEIRD Is The Latest Rallying Cry From Dems Against TRUMP And Vance

Jessica Burbank and Robby Soave discuss Kamala Harris and Democrats' latest attack line "it's weird" against Donald Trump, J.D. Vance and the GOP

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Evil Chucky Schumer, one of the weirdest Democrats joins the weirdness....

Chuck Schumer Trashes JD Vance: More Extreme Than Trump


Chuck Schumer: "Every day, Vance, it comes out Vance has done something more extreme, more weird, more erratic. Vance seems to be more erratic and more extreme than President Trump."

https://rumble.com/v58tnkd-chuck-schumer-trashes-jd-vance-more-extreme-than-trump.html 
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They say this weird Governor started it all...

Gov. Walz started calling Trump, Vance 'weird.' Hear why? | CNN

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Brewha
a year ago

We Agree!

Women should have the right to re-productive freedom. Why are men messing with them anyway? Doesn’t seem American to me.

Brewha wrote:


In my book, Re-Productive Fredoom does not include
Re-cycling Babies like soda cans!!!

It includes contraceptives pills, rubbers,BJs, corn holing,
not spreading their legs and tracking menstrual cycles

MaduroJorge wrote:



Ever noticed that most of the people who are against abortion are people no one wants to fuck?


-jk 😇
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