DrMaddVibe
22 years ago
Tuesday, Feb. 10, 2004 8:58 a.m. EST
'Hanoi Jane' Photo Prompts Imus to Rethink Kerry Support

NewsMax.com's photo of John Kerry and Jane Fonda protesting the Vietnam War together has radio host Don Imus rethinking his support for the Massachusetts Democrat.

After Kerry won the New Hampshire primary two weeks ago, the top morning interviewer announced he had switched his allegiance to Kerry from President Bush.

But Tuesday morning, Imus told NBC newsman David Gregory that he was reconsidering, based on the Kerry-Fonda photo.

Noting that Kerry received an early discharge from Vietnam service because he'd won three purple hearts, a silver star and a bronze star, Imus observed, "I probably wouldn't want to cite that if I were [President Bush], would you?"

Gregory replied, "And apparently [Kerry's] your guy now - is that accurate?"

"Well," responded Imus, "until I saw this NewsMax.com arrow with Jane Fonda this morning. That's troubling."

"I don't think I can vote for either one of these weasels," the acerbic morning man added.

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Sonny_LSU
22 years ago
DMV, his medals speak for themselves......he bled for his country and, in my book, that makes him VERY honorable.
Cavallo
22 years ago
yeah, i gotta say, that's 5 more medals than dubya has. and purple hearts -- THREE of them -- are nothing to sneeze at.

imo, if a man has gone overseas and shed his blood (THRICE even), he's got the right to come home and say whatever the hell he wants.

his being there gives him that right.
VANBENCOTEN
22 years ago
Is the guy under the red arrow Springsteen?
DrMaddVibe
22 years ago
Personally, I think if a person(any person!)has to brag about their medals then that points out a character flaw. The medals are for decorating a soldier, not for bragging rights. To leave service under the premise he did(3 Purple Hearts = a resignation of commission)and to then provide his enemy with a voice and divisive platform to split what his own nation is doing is more harmful than draft-dodging!

If you want to tell me that you don't care or know this about him, then please say it but to carry on the charade that he's a true hero is a farce that real heroes have to share with him. Deciding that regular service vs. National Guard and Reservists is somehow below regular military is yet another "looking-down-the-nose" tactic that he's employing on the stumps. Tell the families of those that died in Korea, Vietnam, Gulf War and the liberation of Iraq & Afghanistan that belonged to NG & Reserve units that their lives were below that of a regular service troop and see how much coffee that buys you!

Serving in the Air National Guard and flying the aircraft that GW did is a complete slap in the face to those of you that cry out Bush is a moron. The ANG doesn't take just any sadsack or Senator's son. It's a selection process and you earn your keep(even today!) and the plane that he flew was (at the time)one of the most sophisticated aircraft we had!

How many of you actually know how Lurch "earned" his medals? If you don't spend any time in a hospital to heal from a "wound" how serious was it really?
65gtoman
22 years ago
Kerry is a trader to his country. Much like bush.


Like I said before kerry and bush are both puppets by the same master, it’s a shell game ran on the corner of some city street, whatever shell you pick will have the same outcome. YOU LOSE

The order of the skull and bones bush/kerry connection should be looked into a lot more.



DrMaddVibe
22 years ago
By ZACHARY M. SEWARD
Crimson Staff Writer

Ten months after returning home from Vietnam, a young John Kerry strolled into the offices of The Harvard Crimson on Feb. 13, 1970 as an obscure underdog in the Democratic Congressional primary. The decorated veteran, honorably discharged after a tour of duty in the Mekong Delta, spoke in fierce terms during his daylong interview with The Crimson’s Samuel Z. Goldhaber ’72.

But almost 34 years later, Kerry’s remarks on American military and intelligence operations vastly diverge from opinions expressed by the present-day Sen. John F. Kerry, D.-Mass., the leading candidate in the Democratic primary for president.

“I’m an internationalist,” Kerry told The Crimson in 1970. “I’d like to see our troops dispersed through the world only at the directive of the United Nations.”

Kerry said he wanted “to almost eliminate CIA activity. The CIA is fighting its own war in Laos and nobody seems to care.”

The Kerry campaign, celebrating primary victories in Virginia and Tennessee last night, declined to comment on the senator’s remarks.

As a candidate for president, Kerry has said he supports the autonomy of the U.S. military and has never called for a scale-back of CIA operations.

Former Secretary of Labor Robert B. Reich defended Kerry’s 1970 statements as appropriate for their time.

“In the context of the Vietnam War, those comments are completely understandable,” said Reich, who has endorsed Kerry.

But a spokesperson for President Bush’s reelection campaign said Kerry’s 1970 remarks signaled the senator’s weakness on defense.

“President Bush will never cede the best interests of the national security of the American people to anybody but the president of the United States, along with the Congress,” said the spokesperson, Kevin A. Madden.

The increasingly likely matchup between Kerry and Bush has already prompted comparisons of the senator’s record in Vietnam and the president’s domestic service in the National Guard. And the two Yale graduates, both members of the secret society Skull and Bones, appeared set to square off in future months under the specter of the ongoing war in Iraq.

Goldhaber, whose first-person profile of Kerry ran in The Crimson Feb. 18, 1970, said yesterday he recalled the candidate as an emerging outsider whose campaign focused squarely on his opposition to the Vietnam War.

“We lived, dreamed and breathed Vietnam,” Goldhaber said.

Still, Adam Clymer ’58, political director of the National Annenberg Election Survey at the University of Pennsylvania, said Kerry’s comments would likely find their way into Bush campaign materials.

“If I were them, I’d use this,” said Clymer, a former Crimson president. “I’d use it in direct mail.”

Kerry’s conservative opponents have already begun painting the Massachusetts senator and former deputy governor as an elite, New England liberal, and his 21-year voting record in the Senate may provide considerable ammunition.

Madden said the Bush campaign would highlight Kerry’s Senate votes should he win the Democratic nomination.

And Reich forecasted G.O.P. research would extend far beyond Capitol Hill.

“If Kerry is the nominee, Republicans will try and search back into everything he ever said on every issue,” Reich predicted.

Kerry’s 1970 remarks to Goldhaber portray a fiery, novice politician inspired by his opposition to the Vietnam War.

“He struck me as very ambitious,” Goldhaber said yesterday. “He struck me as the sort of person—even back then, newly returned from Vietnam—who was thinking about running for president.”

EI
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22 years ago
Yep there is is the photo that doesnt exist

And as for puppets ruled by the same master.. Can anyone recognize this liberal disarming tactic used when they are face with facts that they dont like to get out to the voters.
Reminds me of the long haired guy that was planted in the audience of the debate to ask the "can't leave the charicter attacks out of the campaign" question

https://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/2/8/144747.shtml 
choner
22 years ago
"to then provide his enemy with a voice and divisive platform to split what his own nation is doing is more harmful than draft-dodging!"

I guess a lot of us on these boards that don't support Bush's war in Iraq right now are doing something more evil the draft-dodging. Maybe Kerry saw the horrors of war, countless lives being lose, men dying for a ethereal cause that a their government was trying to sell to the people. Kerry served bravely and honorably for his commander in cheif, eventhough he did not feel the reasons for war was correct. Maybe his protest would stop the lose of many other innocent lives.

So many of you think that not supporting your President in his decision to go to War is being a traitor. I don't get it. Questioning our President is a right which exemplifies what this whole country is about. The right to make your on opinions. The right to question the policies of our government. The right to vote for your government. If you could not question our President, then it is a dictatorship.

choner
DrMaddVibe
22 years ago
Nobody is doing what you're saying Choner.
EI
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22 years ago
As for "his medals speak for themselves......he bled for his country and, in my book, that makes him VERY honorable"
Do a google search on an honorable war hero named Benidict Arnold
It is not what he did in the war it is what he has done since the war. If he did as he has said and witnessed war crimes, as and officer it was his duty to report them and if possible stop them. Not doing so he was derilict in his duties as an officer of the USN. If the things he said after he left the service were not true then he is a liar.
It has been said by a Viet commander that efforts by groups such as Kerrys were instrumental in North Vietnams "victory" over the US and that if it were not for the protest in the US that Hanoi would have surrendered.
So it appeares that his efforts in the 70's emboldened the enemy of the United States. Maybe he should have just made movies like Audie Murphy
65gtoman
22 years ago
EI are you saying im a liberal now? lol



EI
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22 years ago
"EI are you saying im a liberal now? lol "

No but you use their tactics very well.. LOL
DrMaddVibe
22 years ago
Gen. Giap: Kerry's Group Helped Hanoi Defeat U.S.

The North Vietnamese general in charge of the military campaign that finally drove the U.S. out of South Vietnam in 1975 credited a group led by Democratic presidential front-runner John Kerry with helping him achieve victory.

In his 1985 memoir about the war, Gen. Vo Nguyen Giap wrote that if it weren't for organizations like Kerry's Vietnam Veterans Against the War, Hanoi would have surrendered to the U.S. - according to Fox News Channel war historian Oliver North.

That's why, he predicted on Tuesday, the Vietnam War issue "is going to blow up in Kerry's face."

"People are going to remember Gen. Giap saying if it weren't for these guys [Kerry's group], we would have lost," North told radio host Sean Hannity.

"The Vietnam Veterans Against the War encouraged people to desert, encouraged people to mutiny - some used what they wrote to justify fragging officers," noted the former Marine lieutenant colonel, who earned two purple hearts in Vietnam.

"John Kerry has blood of American soldiers on his hands," North said.
EI
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22 years ago
Thank you DrMaddvibe for the paste. I was looking for the verification myself.
I do like to back up my statements with facts and sources instead of just blabing out stuff I hear from barbara striestan, ed asner and mike farrell. All very credible sources (NOT)
65gtoman
22 years ago
ei, you try to lump me in a group, but im not for any group, my views get more complex everyday.

I support the war and the troops. I do not support bush anymore, kerry dean or the others.

And on a different futurist view, I would tell the troops not to fight for this country, because its not worth fighting for anymore, the dogs have won and its only getting worse. lets the gay groups and illegals go over there to fight, let the priests, hollywood and other trash go over there to fight, our boys should stay here and fight for your own family to keep the dogs away.

But that’s speaking in a different form many would not understand.
EI
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22 years ago
A real American hero also: but read the rest of the story

Benedict Arnold was different: a military hero for both sides in the same war. He began his career as an American Patriot in May 1775, when he and Ethan Allen led the brigade that captured Fort Ticonderoga on Lake Champlain. Arnold's heroics continued in September, when he led an expedition of 1,150 riflemen against Quebec, the capital of British Canada. The American commander drove his men hard through the Maine wilderness, overcoming leaky boats, spoiled provisions, treacherous rivers, and near starvation to arrive at Quebec in November, his force reduced to 650 men........
http://earlyamerica.com/review/fall97/arnold.html 
DrMaddVibe
22 years ago
GTO, I hear you.

BUT

If NOT us, then who?

Would it get done?

Would it be self-serving(ala colony states)?

If Hollywood would've faced the wrath of a suicidal militant Islamic organization I'm sure you would see exactly what you stated. It didn't touch them. It didn't alter their spending. Putting up a flag or donating some chump change was about as far as they were willing to go, otherwise...we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Anyone lookup FDR's rivals when he ran during wartime? I did.
EI
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22 years ago
GTOman I can see your a complex man and would not attempt to lump you in any catagory.
The scary thing is I understand your point

and you have great taste in cars
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