Sonny_LSU
22 years ago
OK, Robby, you do make a good point.

If gto were to read this again, I'd like to point one thing out:

North Korea has and even brags about it's nuclear weapons program......why haven't we addressed this? Hell, they poke fun at one of our allies by test firing missles over their mainland! Again, why have we not addressed this? Seems to me they were a far greater priority than Iraq!
Sonny_LSU
22 years ago
and, what's with these Nazi dogs eating people?????OMG, man, have you lost it? LOL

DB, it amazes me how people can sit there with a straight face and praise Bush! At the very least, he will be gone in 5 years!!!!!!!!
Robby
22 years ago
I'll hold my nose, make a face, and vote for him...
dbguru
22 years ago
Keep drinking that Kool-aid, Robby and you wont even have to hold your nose. (of course ya'know that stuff causes brain damage)

65gtoman
22 years ago
Lucky for you I have not put my new tape in yet. The stuff I took was not very pure and I seem be ****ing alot, but that should pass and then it’s all downhill.

You ask me::::”””:North Korea has and even brags about it's nuclear weapons program......why haven't we addressed this? Hell, they poke fun at one of our allies by test firing missles over their mainland! Again, why have we not addressed this? Seems to me they were a far greater priority than Iraq! “


that’s very simple to answer, we waited to goddam long and did nothing when we had little or no proof and now many years later he has very powerful weapons and when or if we go to war with him now it will be very bloody and many will die, he has grown to big without anyone stopping him. We missed our chance to take him out without a high American death rate. If only we could go back in time and remove him before he gained the POWER. But now we have proof, but it’s a little too late.

Many many will die when the time comes.

I think we learned from that mistake.

Now back to the bathroom.
penzt8
22 years ago
3 superficial flesh wounds do not make a war hero. I tend to think there's a little higher standard than just being there or being wounded to make you a hero. He spent about 4 months in country. The worst of his 3 wounds kept him from duty for two days.

I give credit to everyone that wears the uniform and does their duty for this country but I've met too many real heroes in my 20 years of active duty to accept Kerry as a hero. Heroes go above and beyond. He was just another guy that did what he had to, to survive.

In the spirit of fairness I also don't consider Bush to be a hero either. I spent the first part of my career as a fighter mechanic so I know firsthand that it takes brains and skill to fly one of those things. But let's face it, the national guard of the late 60's and early 70's ain't the same as the national guard of today.

We started training the south vietnamese in 1956. The first US Serviceman was killed in vietnam in 1959. 1964 gulf of tonkin incident. 1965 Rolling Thunder. Bush graduated from Yale and joined the ANG in 1968. Many guard and reserve personnel did serve in Viet Nam but not many prior to federal activation in 1968. Prior to that, it was perceived as a way to avoid going to viet nam.
DrMaddVibe
22 years ago
'Bush and I were lieutenants'
George Bush and I were lieutenants and pilots in the 111th Fighter Interceptor Squadron (FIS), Texas Air National Guard (ANG) from 1970 to 1971. We had the same flight and squadron commanders (Maj. William Harris and Lt. Col. Jerry Killian, both now deceased). While we were not part of the same social circle outside the base, we were in the same fraternity of fighter pilots, and proudly wore the same squadron patch.
It is quite frustrating to hear the daily cacophony from the left and Sen. John Kerry, Massachusetts Democrat, et al., about Lt. Bush escaping his military responsibilities by hiding in the Texas ANG. In the Air Guard during the Vietnam War, you were always subject to call-up, as many Air National Guardsmen are finding out today. If the 111th FIS and Lt. Bush did not go to Vietnam, blame President Johnson and Secretary of Defense Robert S. McNamara, not lowly Lt. Bush. They deliberately avoided use of the Guard and Reserves for domestic political calculations, knowing that a draftee only stirred up the concerns of one family, while a call-up got a whole community's attention.
The mission of the 147th Fighter Group and its subordinate 111th FIS, Texas ANG, and the airplane it possessed, the F-102, was air defense. It was focused on defending the continental United States from Soviet nuclear bombers. The F-102 could not drop bombs and would have been useless in Vietnam. A pilot program using ANG volunteer pilots in F-102s (called Palace Alert) was scrapped quickly after the airplane proved to be unsuitable to the war effort. Ironically, Lt. Bush did inquire about this program but was advised by an ANG supervisor (Maj. Maurice Udell, retired) that he did not have the desired experience (500 hours) at the time and that the program was winding down and not accepting more volunteers.
If you check the 111th FIS records of 1970-72 and any other ANG squadron, you will find other pilots excused for career obligations and conflicts. The Bush excusal in 1972 was further facilitated by a change in the unit's mission, from an operational fighter squadron to a training squadron with a new airplane, the F-101, which required that more pilots be available for full-time instructor duty rather than part-time traditional reservists with outside employment.
The winding down of the Vietnam War in 1971 provided a flood of exiting active-duty pilots for these instructor jobs, making part-timers like Lt. Bush and me somewhat superfluous. There was a huge glut of pilots in the Air Force in 1972, and with no cockpits available to put them in, many were shoved into nonflying desk jobs. Any pilot could have left the Air Force or the Air Guard with ease after 1972 before his commitment was up because there just wasn't room for all of them anymore.
Sadly, few of today's partisan pundits know anything about the environment of service in the Reserves in the 1970s. The image of a reservist at that time is of one who joined, went off for six months' basic training, then came back and drilled weekly or monthly at home, with two weeks of "summer camp." With the knowledge that Mr. Johnson and Mr. McNamara were not going to call out the Reserves, it did become a place of refuge for many wanting to avoid Vietnam.
There was one big exception to this abusive use of the Guard to avoid the draft, and that was for those who wanted to fly, as pilots or crew members. Because of the training required, signing up for this duty meant up to 2½ years of active duty for training alone, plus a high probability of mobilization. A fighter-pilot candidate selected by the Guard (such as Lt. Bush and me) would be spending the next two years on active duty going through basic training (six weeks), flight training (one year), survival training (two weeks) and combat crew training for his aircraft (six to nine months), followed by local checkout (up to three more months) before he was even deemed combat-ready. Because the draft was just two years, you sure weren't getting out of duty being an Air Guard pilot. If the unit to which you were going back was an F-100, you were mobilized for Vietnam. Avoiding service? Yeah, tell that to those guys.
The Bush critics do not comprehend the dangers of fighter aviation at any time or place, in Vietnam or at home, when they say other such pilots were risking their lives or even dying while Lt. Bush was in Texas. Our Texas ANG unit lost several planes right there in Houston during Lt. Bush's tenure, with fatalities. Just strapping on one of those obsolescing F-102s was risking one's life.
Critics such as Mr. Kerry (who served in Vietnam, you know), Terry McAuliffe and Michael Moore (neither of whom served anywhere) say Lt. Bush abandoned his assignment as a jet fighter pilot without explanation or authorization and was AWOL from the Alabama Air Guard.
Well, as for abandoning his assignment, this is untrue. Lt. Bush was excused for a period to take employment in Florida for a congressman and later in Alabama for a Senate campaign.
Excusals for employment were common then and are now in the Air Guard, as pilots frequently are in career transitions, and most commanders (as I later was) are flexible in letting their charges take care of career affairs until they return or transfer to another unit near their new employment. Sometimes they will transfer temporarily to another unit to keep them on the active list until they can return home. The receiving unit often has little use for a transitory member, especially in a high-skills category like a pilot, because those slots usually are filled and, if not filled, would require extensive conversion training of up to six months, an unlikely option for a temporary hire.
As a commander, I would put such "visitors" in some minor administrative post until they went back home. There even were a few instances when I was unaware that they were on my roster because the paperwork often lagged. Today, I can't even recall their names. If a Lt. Bush came into my unit to "pull drills" for a couple of months, I wouldn't be too involved with him because I would have a lot more important things on my table keeping the unit combat ready.
Another frequent charge is that, as a member of the Texas ANG, Lt. Bush twice ignored or disobeyed lawful orders, first by refusing to report for a required physical in the year when drug testing first became part of the exam, and second by failing to report for duty at the disciplinary unit in Colorado to which he had been ordered. Well, here are the facts:
First, there is no instance of Lt. Bush disobeying lawful orders in reporting for a physical, as none would be given. Pilots are scheduled for their annual flight physicals in their birth month during that month's weekend drill assembly — the only time the clinic is open. In the Reserves, it is not uncommon to miss this deadline by a month or so for a variety of reasons: The clinic is closed that month for special training; the individual is out of town on civilian business; etc.
If so, the pilot is grounded temporarily until he completes the physical. Also, the formal drug testing program was not instituted by the Air Force until the 1980s and is done randomly by lot, not as a special part of a flight physical, when one easily could abstain from drug use because of its date certain. Blood work is done, but to ensure a healthy pilot, not confront a drug user.
Second, there was no such thing as a "disciplinary unit in Colorado" to which Lt. Bush had been ordered. The Air Reserve Personnel Center in Denver is a repository of the paperwork for those no longer assigned to a specific unit, such as retirees and transferees. Mine is there now, so I guess I'm "being disciplined." These "disciplinary units" just don't exist. Any discipline, if required, is handled within the local squadron, group or wing, administratively or judicially. Had there been such an infraction or court-martial action, there would be a record and a reflection in Lt. Bush's performance review and personnel folder. None exists, as was confirmed in The Washington Post in 2000.
Finally, the Kerrys, Moores and McAuliffes are casting a terrible slander on those who served in the Guard, then and now. My Guard career parallels Lt. Bush's, except that I stayed on for 33 years. As a guardsman, I even got to serve in two campaigns. In the Cold War, the air defense of the United States was borne primarily by the Air National Guard, by such people as Lt. Bush and me and a lot of others. Six of those with whom I served in those years never made their 30th birthdays because they died in crashes flying air-defense missions.
While most of America was sleeping and Mr. Kerry was playing antiwar games with Hanoi Jane Fonda, we were answering 3 a.m. scrambles for who knows what inbound threat over the Canadian subarctic, the cold North Atlantic and the shark-filled Gulf of Mexico. We were the pathfinders in showing that the Guard and Reserves could become reliable members of the first team in the total force, so proudly evidenced today in Afghanistan and Iraq.
It didn't happen by accident. It happened because back at the nadir of Guard fortunes in the early '70s, a lot of volunteer guardsman showed they were ready and able to accept the responsibilities of soldier and citizen — then and now. Lt. Bush was a kid whose congressman father encouraged him to serve in the Air National Guard. We served proudly in the Guard. Would that Mr. Kerry encourage his children and the children of his colleague senators and congressmen to serve now in the Guard.
In the fighter-pilot world, we have a phrase we use when things are starting to get out of hand and it's time to stop and reset before disaster strikes. We say, "Knock it off." So, Mr. Kerry and your friends who want to slander the Guard: Knock it off.

COL. WILLIAM CAMPENNI (retired)
U.S. Air Force/Air National Guard
Herndon, Va.
65gtoman
22 years ago
i just reread my posts, i like the part

it is people in groups liberals demonrats republicans that have destroyed this country with there close minds. Everyone like large packs of Nazi dogs wanting there own way and fail to see any light. Its what has doomed this country.



hahahahaha that's going into my little book of madness I have been writing for many years.





RDC
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22 years ago
Kerry Photo Shocker: Candidate Teamed Up With 'Hanoi' Jane Fonda


Jane Fonda and John Kerry at an anti-war rally in Valley Forge,
.
(Corbis Images)


A photo seemingly showing Democratic presidential front-runner John
Kerry
protesting the Vietnam War with anti-American actress "Hanoi Jane"
Fonda --
the photo Dems fear most -- exists, and has been obtained by
NewsMax.com.

On Labor Day weekend 1970, Kerry -- then a rising star with Vietnam
Veteran
Against the War -- teamed up with Fonda as the two headlined an ugly
anti-war in rally in Valley Forge, Pa., railing against U.S. policy in
Southeast Asia from the back of the same flatbed truck.

The photo shows "Hanoi Jane" listening raptly as speakers denounced
American soldiers for committing "genocide" in Vietnam and accusing the
U.S. of "international racism."

Three rows behind 'Hanoi Jane" sits a man who bears a striking
resemblance
to the Democratic presidential front-runner.

According to Corbis Images, which owns the image, the photo was taken
at
the same 1970 Valley Forge protest that turned Sen. Kerry into an
anti-war
star.

Douglas Brinkley's biography "Tour of Duty" chronicles Kerry's exploits
at
Valley Forge, where he reportedly followed Fonda onto the back of that
pick-up truck to deliver his own diatribe against the war in Vietnam.

"We are here because we above all others have earned the right to
criticize
the war on Southeast Asia," Kerry shouted into the microphone, as Fonda
and
the crowd cheered wildly.

"By the time [Kerry] hopped off that pick-up truck to thunderous
applause,"
writes Brinkley, "he was the new leader of the VVAW by popular
default."

The Massachusetts Democrat's speech also cemented his alliance with
Fonda,
and the two traveled to Detroit to organize a January 1971 event they
called the "Winter Soldier Investigation."

At a Detroit motel, Kerry and Fonda assembled a myriad of disgruntled
witnesses claiming to be Vietnam vets, each with his own story of
American
atrocities.

According to Jug Burkett, whose landmark Vietnam war history "Stolen
Valor"
chronicles some of Kerry's anti-war misadventures, Fonda played a key
role
at the Detroit event.

"There's no doubt that Jane Fonda financed the Winter Soldier
hearings,"
Burkett told NewsMax on Monday.

He said that several of the witnesses who testified at the protest's
"hearings" later turned out to be complete impostors.

The event prompted "Hanoi Jane" to "adopt" Kerry's group "as her
leading
cause," writes Brinkley. It was at Kerry's Winter Soldier protest that
the
anti-American actress met her future husband, Students for a Democratic
Society radical Tom Hayden.

The next year Fonda was off to Hanoi, where she mounted an
anti-aircraft
battery and pretended to shoot down American pilots.


Of Kerry, Burkett told NewsMax, "Any Vietnam veteran who knows what
Kerry
did after he came home from Vietnam is definitely not a fan of John
Kerry."
EI
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22 years ago
more fuel for the fire

From The Washington Times


By Cal Thomas
February 11, 2004


For months, President Bush has been a sitting duck, taking incoming rhetorical fire from Democratic opponents and a willing media … It is time for the president to return fire.

On NBC's "Meet the Press" … the president again defended his decision to invade Iraq. … Bush acted on the best intelligence available at the time, stopping a madman who has been responsible for the deaths of perhaps millions …

Sen. John F. Kerry of Massachusetts, presents an inviting target of inconsistency, hypocrisy and opportunism when his statements about Iraq and weapons of mass destruction are examined. Just last June 15 on "ABC's This Week" program, Kerry said … "it would be irresponsible for me at this point to draw conclusions (about whether intelligence was hyped) prior to all the evidence being on the table."

On NPR's "All Things Considered" last March 19, Kerry said, "I think Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction are a threat, and that's why I voted to hold him accountable and to make certain that we disarm him. I think we need to.." Since Kerry had access to some of the same intelligence passed on to the White House, why shouldn't he admit his wrong decision if he now wants to criticize the president …?

Kerry told USA Today (Feb. 12, 2003) that leaving Saddam "unfettered with nuclear weapons or weapons of mass destruction is unacceptable." As far back as 1990, Kerry warned in a Senate speech, "Iraq has developed a chemical weapons capability" (Oct. 2, 1990, Congressional Record, p.S14330). …

In addition to noting Kerry's flip-flops, the president should roll out an even more powerful political weapon. He should invite to visit America some Iraqi men, women and children who could publicly thank this country for its commitment and sacrifice on their behalf. …

Let the Democrats persuade the public that the continued rapes of women and girls should be of no concern to a decent nation ... How many Democrats want to be known for this kind of isolationism, insensitivity and indifference to suffering? …



Sonny_LSU
22 years ago
ok, guys, what is your point?
Would you have us believe Kerry is a traitor and Bush a brilliant leader (Do you really believe this?) and hero?

If Kerry wasn't headed for the Democratic nomination and Wesley was, what would be your angle then?

Do you have any loved ones who have perished in Iraq?

Have any of you recently lost your job? I dare say the good Doctor makes a VERY good living (I would love Bush too)......

BTW, cut and pasting articles written by staunch Republicans does NOT lend any credibility to your arguments......as doing the same with Democratic based articles would NOT either.

Wanna hear something crazy?
I'm Republican!!!
DrMaddVibe
22 years ago
Then shape up and ACT LIKE IT!
Sonny_LSU
22 years ago
....no......not when we are led by a buffoon!
EI
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22 years ago
Wanna hear something crazy?
I'm Republican!!!

Wanna hear something more crazy?
In the winter I sit in my garage to smoke cigars. I guess that makes me a Buick.

Sonny_LSU
22 years ago
So, because I don't blindly follow GW and agree with his every step, I am not a Republican?
DrMaddVibe
22 years ago
I'm not talking about crawling into his pants(That was the last administration's MO!), but saying he's not credible and not leading isn't backing your party affiliation. There are things that I get mad about that the Bush administration has done, but I've emailed him directly, not belittled what he's doing to anybody.

9-11 changed his focus and made this THE priority to deal with. He has, and during this has also given us tax cuts. I mention them because this was something that EVERY Democrat has been PROMISING since FDR! Bush delivered. Alternative fuel technology, education, religion-based assistance(churches USED to be the welfare system in America!) and a slew of initiatives that if you want I'll laundry list.

I can only imagine if 9-11 hadn't happened how fast he would've worked on restoring the economy which was tanking before he even took office!

You say you're a Republican, I don't know if you are or aren't but I sure as hell am and you won't see me defending a slime like Kerry, a career politician that hasn't introduced a SINGLE bill of legislation! If he was such the hero, he would've done SOMETHING for veterans but he didn't. He voted across the board against every single military budget that would've left our soldiers fighting with WWII weapons! Think about that when it's time to vote and you're faced with the ballot behind the curtain! This President has done his job in faithfully defending the Constitution and the office of the Presidency more admirably than any other living President(besides Reagan), and I look forward to the upcoming election where voters will have to actually look at the ballot and say "Will I be safer?" or "Is he any better?".

Talk the talk, then walk the walk!
Sonny_LSU
22 years ago
...you make good points, DMV. We will agree to disagree on some issues and party practices, but I DO respect your point of view.

truce
65gtoman
22 years ago
Down with bush and jail those pigs that lock us up after violating our rights.

I hate republicans, they all want to do “gods work” and jail people like me for committing no crime.

Say yes to all drugs but needle drugs, say no to fascist Nazi law enforcement.

Down with the pigs, down with bush, the pope has sex with dogs.

Is this a free country? I don’t think so, why are the jails filled with our brothers who never committed any violent crimes.

Why should the pigs be allowed to do illegal searches, stand up and fight this system who plays Jesus Christ. And if that **** ever comes back, Ill nail him back to the cross and light it on fire myself.

You are all doomed.

Sock it to me


Hahahahahaha
EI
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22 years ago
65gtoman
Man I love your posts
65gtoman
22 years ago
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