If your gripe is them not paying taxes, allow them to do so."

Don't come here illegally. Immigration laws shouldn't let illegals pay taxes. Immigration laws are in place to try to keep them from being ILLEGAL.

to clarify myself...I'm not saying that illegals should pay taxes...I'm saying they should not be illegal. If they were legit, they'd pay taxes and be on a little more equal footing. It may take a while for them to be Americans if they choose, but I wouldn't blanketly consider them a burden.

OK, I will make it even more blatently obvious. Change the immigration laws to allow the new immigrants to be legal, tax paying members of our society. Change the laws to the way they were when your relatives came to my country. My relatives came here in 1678, and your relatives didn't hear them bitchin' when they jumped off the boat 200 years later.

So what you are basically afraid of is any culture other than American. Okay you want them to speak only english. Do you roll your R's properly everytime you tell someone what brand of cigar you are smoking? If you are vacationing in Mexico do you speak only Spanish? Rugrunner, I hope that I will never have the misfortune of chatting with you on this board again.

Tey

Are you going to answer the question I asked you earlier and avoided? I'll ask it again.

Here you go. Dont you think it would be better for all concerned, if Mexican folks wanted to live in Mexico and make a decent living there? I know Mexicans love Mexico. So wouldnt it be better if Fox, who is a terrible leader, was replaced with someone else who could improve the economy there?

Dont you want to see Mexico thrive? Or would you rather see all the Mexicans come to the USA and stuggle with minimum wage jobs?

'struggle' sorry...

Sorry Tranny. Your question just got lost in the shuffle. Ofcourse I want to see Mexico thrive. I'm also pretty sure that many would stay if the situation was better. However, I think that we as Americans can't afford to see them go. Our lifestyle depends too much on them whether we know it or not.

Fox has said alot of things in the past which have pissed me off and I continue to disagree with the governments treatment of the indigenous population. I'm open to hearing any new canidates so long as they are not PRI.

I would be pleased as punch if a mexican jacques chirac existed.

Tey, I wouldn't waste my vacation in Mexico. You have never chatted with me yet. You throw out falsehoods, I dispute them, you call me names or hide. Where's the chatting?

Tey, you are such a reactionary. Calm down and look at the sense of it. If a Mexican wants to come to the US and become a success s/he is going to have to learn to speak English. Just as if I wanted to go to any other country in the world I and wanted to be a success I would have to learn to speak their language. Sure, they have signs for English speaking tourists all over the place, but if I want to go to University or hold a job that pays well I am going to have to learn to speak the native tongue. Period.

You have a lot of passion, and that is a good thing. No one gets anywhere in this world by being handed everything. You and I both know that Mexico is plagued by poverty. The tourist traps may be well groomed, but the rest of the country is mainly poor. Why wouldn't they want to come here? The Mexicans who work on my cousin's landscaping crew come here legally through an employment agency. They usually stay for a year and then go home for 6 months. They pay taxes. And they work their buns off! One of them is a teacher in Mexico, another is a lawyer. They simply can't make there what they can here. It is tragic.

And, you are right. Many of them are willing to do jobs that Americans are not willing to do. My dad is from Southern Minnesota, and I played with migrant farmer workers' kids when I was growing up. There are a lot of people who are Americans who are not experienced enough or educated enough to get what they would consider a good job, so they would rather sit around collecting a Gov. check or live as a thug. Kids today are too spoiled to think that they might have to take a low paying job. So, who fills in that niche?

But why won't they come in through the legal channels? I read that some of your clients are having a difficult time getting citizenship. My friend's husband is from Norway, and he has been waiting 7 years to become a citizen. Another woman I know is married to a man from England and he has been waiting 11 years. And yet my hometown just imported nearly a whole village of Somalis. None of it makes any sense. There has to be some control, though. Nothing can continue to grow unchecked without there being some sort of negative consequence.

Heather

Now that's a smart woman! I'll bet she has really high standards when it comes to men! She also seems to be the kind of woman not to give her husband too much $hit when his cigars come in the mail! Whatta Woman. I wonder if she has a sister...

Hmmm . . . I wonder.

doesn't matter, No way a nit like me could score such a babe....

Did I mention my cbid order's size? Remember how you keep telling me size doesn't matter.....

Uh huh, I saw that notice when I was looking for Hog's email addy. Everybody sing - "Ruggy is busted, Ruggy is busted!"

PUBLIC NOTICE: large cigar collection for sale! Everything must go! All sales in person, first come first served. Sale will begin now and go until all cigars are gone. Location of sale: Doghouse behing the house of Rug, St. Cloud, MN

This is classic!

It is now! Ruggy is in deep water....LOL

Once again, I use the key word for the Mexican thing.....legal immigrants welcome, illegal ones stay home!

Charlie

I don't know what the fuss is about.

I thought the comic strip was funny, although the one with the American Indian would have been even funnier!

Charlie....once again....what is illegal vs. legal?

If the current laws were inacted when your relatives came here....they would have been illegal.

Once again, my relatives (who have been here since 1678) deemed it OK for your relatives to come here. Now you will not do the same for the newest immigrants.

I say...let them all come...and be productive. Just like my relatives let you in.

ducati

you must be awfull slow...my relatives came here legally.

Charlie

ducati.

What??

Using that logic, if the speed limit on a stretch of road used to be 45, but is now 65, you're saying that everyone who drives 65 could be considered as law breakers?

America in 1900 is much different than America in 2005. The "amenities" that Uncle Sam provided for poor immigrants in those days would be considered inhumane by todays standards.

And I don't see signs on busineeses that say "mexicans need not apply", as it did for Irish and Italian and Polish immigrants 100 years ago.

That's right: 100 years.

Not a long time, is it?

Yet here we are bitching that we don't simply let everybody in who wants to come here, whether they go through the proper channels or not.

The people who come here illegally want something for nothing. I don't want to give it.

When we clean up the invassion of these criminals, it seems reasonable that we'll be able to accept a higher number of people from south of the border via legal methods.

They'll have their documents, and will work for living and add to the economy.

And then they'll bitch about the influx of illegals coming in from the south....