tailgater
15 years ago

why does a civilian need a hand gun that holds over 30 bullets?

RICKAMAVEN wrote:



Rick, we know why you've asked MACS, but I'd like to know why you ask this question?

I've posed similar questions on another thread, but more for my own edification.
Forgive me if I misread your post, but something tells me that you've got more sinister motives.

I agree with the "slippery slope" scenario discussed above.
As a citizen who is witnessing our rights being taken away at an exponetial rate, I don't want to give the inch, for fear that I'll be giving up many miles.
Hell, I'm half-thinking about buying a firearm BECAUSE of the push to systematically disarm our citizens.

It would be interesting to hear why you pose such a question.

Thanks.
dpnewell
15 years ago

I PINGED MAC BECAUSE HE IS A POLICE OFFICER AND POLICIE OFFICERS DO NOT CARRY A CLIP THAT HOLDS THAT MUCH AND HE IS THE FIRST LINE OF DEFENSE,

RICKAMAVEN wrote:



I'll make this big and red so maybe even a little bit of this can sink through your thick scull. If the police are the first line of defense, then where the hell where they during this murder!? Police are a DETERANT to crime. They are not under any legal obligation to protect you, as declared by the courts. If you call the police and someone is murdered because they fail to show up, guess what? There is nothing you can do about it. You can't even take them to court. I know this is going to burst your little fantasy world bubble, but YOU and only YOU are responsible for your defense. But what do anti gun freaks do when they feel threatened? They call SOMEONE WITH A GUN (police officer) to come and save them. How dare they ask someone else to risk their life for them, when they are unwilling to protect it themself.

Most of the police officers that I know carry 15 to 17 rounds in their guns, with 2 or 3 spare mags. That's 45 to 68 rounds, plus the shotgun or M-4 rifle in the trunk. If they have an M-4, they have multiple 30 round mags to go with it. They also have partners, backup, bullet proof vests, radios to call for even more help, and sometimes even armored vehicles. The vast majority of police officers will never come under fire or even draw their weapon during their entire career, yet they still feel the need to carry all that ammo, even with all the backup they have available to them.

What does the citizen have to defend he and his family with? If he's smart, he has a gun that he has trained with, and that's it. No partners, no backup, no bullet proof vest, no radios, no armored vehicle, yet people like you want to limit the amount of ammo he can carry to defend his family. Of course that's only until you take his gun away too, and make him a helpless victim like the rest of you.

Oh, and another news flash, Ricky poo. CRIMINALS DON'T OBEY LAWS!!! If they did, then this shooting would never have happened. Of course, in the twisted Liberal world, if there had been a law prohibiting this guy from carrying a gun within 1,000 ft of a government official, it would have stopped him from the shooting. Laws against murder didn't stop him, but some silly gun law would have. Do any of these lawmakers have even half a brain!?
chiefburg
15 years ago
Well, it's like this. Whether it holds 30 rounds or not isn't an issue. The real issue is gun control only controls those honest, decent, law abiding Americans for the most part. The insane, the whack-jobs, and the criminals will still have guns and still use them. Period. Most folks in England don't own guns and most the police don't carry guns. The real criminals in England have guns and use them.....
dpnewell
15 years ago

why does a civilian need a hand gun that holds over 30 bullets?

RICKAMAVEN wrote:


Oh, and one more thing, Ricky Boy, police officers are not military, so hence they are civilians just like the rest of us. So I guess you're asking Mac why police officers need to carry so much ammo. Now I understand. My bad.
jackconrad
15 years ago
Why does anyone need a gas tank bigger than 5 gallons on their car ?
Why does anyone need more than 1 dish or cup'?
Why does anyone need more than i roll of toilet paper?

HockeyDad
15 years ago
When a gun is used wrong, it is huge news just like a commercial airline crash.

The 100,000+ successful operations of a gun or aircraft per day are never reported.
HockeyDad
15 years ago
...and MACS still has not answered. He knows something and is not telling! Government conspriacy!!!!
Gene363
15 years ago

why does a civilian need a hand gun that holds over 30 bullets?

RICKAMAVEN wrote:



Simple, because gun right advocates know exactly what the following questions will be:

Why does a civilian need a hand gun that holds 25 rounds?

Why does a civilian need a hand gun that holds 15 rounds?

Why does a civilian need a hand gun that holds 10 rounds?

Why does a civilian need a hand gun?




The second amendment is not about hunting or self protection it is about the citizens being protected from the government. True, the military has lot of sophisticated weaponry, how is that working out in the mountains of Pakistan?

DrafterX
15 years ago

...and MACS still has not answered. He knows something and is not telling! Government conspriacy!!!!

HockeyDad wrote:





I heard he was banned.... 😟
Gene363
15 years ago

I heard he was banned.... 😟

DrafterX wrote:



Looking back over each shoulder Gene whispers, "Or the Platinum upgrade?' :-$
DrMaddVibe
15 years ago
MACS is a cop?

I thought he was a CO?
HockeyDad
15 years ago

MACS is a cop?

I thought he was a CO?

DrMaddVibe wrote:




Don't bog Rickamaven down with details.
Kawak
15 years ago
Rick just knows MACS has a night stick and calls him sir.
DrafterX
15 years ago
Ram has a bat.... 😟
Nicar
15 years ago

Ram has a bat.... 😟

DrafterX wrote:




Thought we established this earlier in the thread?

Ram has a bat that can take hit more than 30 people with! Though, he is not a baseball player!


But, has Rick even answered why he didn't ping Busa?
MACS
15 years ago
My apologies... #1 - I don't often peruse the political forum. #2 - I was at work when this was posted

Further points of clarification - I am not a police officer. I am a corrections officer. I do not carry a gun (on duty), nor do I drive a police car... I can't write tickets and I can't even get out of jury duty like real cops can! That said... I like what I do and prefer it to dealing with the public.

To answer the question -

Rick, you know I am quite conservative, politically speaking. I am also rational and logical. I believe people should be able to purchase and own high capacity magazines because the vast majority of folks are not going to use them to commit crimes. And the ones who WILL use them to commit crimes will not be deterred by a "law" that says they can't own them.

As stated previously, police are a deterrant. When the CHP is on the highway... everyone goes 2 mph under the speed limit. When they're not present... everyone goes 10-15 mph over.

In our department, police officers carry their own, personal weapons from a department approved list. They can also carry their own shotguns and their own rifles. Almost all of them have an AR-15... the civilian equivalent to the M-16. 20-30 round magazines, too.

As a rational, logical person I know that gun laws will only affect law abiding citizens. Until they destroy every high capacity magazine, and stop making more (which is impossible) the bad guys will find a way to get them or make them. If the BAD guys have them and you make it illegal for the GOOD guys to have them... game, set, match bad guys.

There was a county in Florida that was giving concealed carry permits to everyone who applied for one that didn't have a disqualifier (such as a felony or a domestic violence conviction). The crime rate in that county dropped dramatically. Criminals are usually quite cowardly and will only take risks when they know they have a clear advantage. Level the playing field and they aren't so bold.

Just my opinion on the matter.
DrMaddVibe
15 years ago
Did you read that from a teleprompter?

That sounds like a very prepared statement.

Kinda like Palin's latest outburst!
Kawak
15 years ago

My apologies... #1 - I don't often peruse the political forum. #2 - I was at work when this was posted

Further points of clarification - I am not a police officer. I am a corrections officer. I do not carry a gun (on duty), nor do I drive a police car... I can't write tickets and I can't even get out of jury duty like real cops can! That said... I like what I do and prefer it to dealing with the public.

To answer the question -

Rick, you know I am quite conservative, politically speaking. I am also rational and logical. I believe people should be able to purchase and own high capacity magazines because the vast majority of folks are not going to use them to commit crimes. And the ones who WILL use them to commit crimes will not be deterred by a "law" that says they can't own them.

As stated previously, police are a deterrant. When the CHP is on the highway... everyone goes 2 mph under the speed limit. When they're not present... everyone goes 10-15 mph over.

In our department, police officers carry their own, personal weapons from a department approved list. They can also carry their own shotguns and their own rifles. Almost all of them have an AR-15... the civilian equivalent to the M-16. 20-30 round magazines, too.

As a rational, logical person I know that gun laws will only affect law abiding citizens. Until they destroy every high capacity magazine, and stop making more (which is impossible) the bad guys will find a way to get them or make them. If the BAD guys have them and you make it illegal for the GOOD guys to have them... game, set, match bad guys.

There was a county in Florida that was giving concealed carry permits to everyone who applied for one that didn't have a disqualifier (such as a felony or a domestic violence conviction). The crime rate in that county dropped dramatically. Criminals are usually quite cowardly and will only take risks when they know they have a clear advantage. Level the playing field and they aren't so bold.

Just my opinion on the matter.

MACS wrote:



Ohhhh snap! You have just mind F'd ricky. You used logic and fact in a well stated way. Something he knows nothing about. You may have screwed his head up so much he might even clean a coffee pot or two. But don't hold your breath.
MACS
15 years ago

Ohhhh snap! You have just mind F'd ricky. You used logic and fact in a well stated way. Something he knows nothing about. You may have screwed his head up so much he might even clean a coffee pot or two. But don't hold your breath.

Kawak wrote:



Nah, Rick and I have shared a few meals and cigars before. Our politics are diametrically opposed, but we're able to sit and have civil discourse and enjoy each others' company. We don't discuss politics or religion, though...

I think if you got to know him, you might begin to think that he's the one mind f'ing some people here with the drivel he posts. Sneaky old bastid. 🤫
RICKAMAVEN
15 years ago
Nicar

because of the irst amendment
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