cbc812
15 years ago
C'mon TG. The whole thing reeked of bull**** from the start. It's not a question of omniscience, partisan politics, idealogy, or anything else. Just basic common sense. The whole venture was "sold", badly, and when the sell job didn't go so well, we got the anti-American B.S. referenced above.

The mere fact that national leaders had to resort to that level of vitriol and insanity to ram this through was evidence enough that their "case" for war didn't hold water.
teedubbya
15 years ago
"But how did you personally "know" that the Iraq invasion was predicated on lies?
No one in congress knew, and the few countries who cried foul were proven to be in bed with Saddam to begin with."

I think it was pretty clear. Unfortunately proving it at the time was another issue. Prove the WMDs we say are there are not. Hans Blix was actually pretty compelling but if you didn't want to beleive him you simply didn't. Many folks fell into the beleiving what they wanted to beleive mode. In my case I wanted to beleive but it didn't add up. It was pretty clear at the time.
teedubbya
15 years ago
"The finger pointing at W...for acting on the very same intel that previous administrations had is something that I don't understand"

he acted on it. they didn't. *shrug*

teedubbya
15 years ago
Remeber... the rest the world was wrong or acting blindly in their own self interests.... we were simply going on facts.
DrMaddVibe
15 years ago

"The finger pointing at W...for acting on the very same intel that previous administrations had is something that I don't understand"

he acted on it. they didn't. *shrug*

teedubbya wrote:



Well, that's sheer hypocrisy!!!
teedubbya
15 years ago
Well, that's sheer hypocrisy!!!


no hypocracy involved. they were wiser. he is a dolt. There was no solid evidence. they didn't act. he did... based on BS.
DrafterX
15 years ago

"The finger pointing at W...for acting on the very same intel that previous administrations had is something that I don't understand"

he acted on it. they didn't. *shrug*

teedubbya wrote:




true... true...

here's a little something to refresh memories:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/wmdquotes.asp 
DrMaddVibe
15 years ago

true... true...

here's a little something to refresh memories:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/wmdquotes.asp 

DrafterX wrote:




How dare you bring facts to the table!!!=d>
teedubbya
15 years ago
Drafter... no doubt. the dems wrote a blank check and have no room to posture.


It was a bad move all the way around and Cbc is absolutely right.... to say so at the time was unamerican.
teedubbya
15 years ago
The simple truth is the Bush was the decidernator. what I don't understand is the need not hold him and his admin accountable (and the congress for not excersizing their duty as a seperate but equal power and writing him a blank check.)
teedubbya
15 years ago
partisan politics splains most of it. my guy is right, yours is wrong.
HockeyDad
15 years ago

^
believe it or not, I agree with most of this. But this war had nothing to do with Israel. Iraq was not a serious threat. Countries and radical organizations that do not show Israel on their World maps are threats to their existence. How can one negotiate with those who live by a slogan of "from the river to the sea".

If I am correct in inferring a sort of "public relations" issue or world opinion angle for Israel from your words, I believe you misunderstand the mindset of a country under seige. They don't give a crap what the world thinks...they think "survive". Never Again is not a catchy marketing slogan. I apologize if I am putting words in your mouth.

Financial assistance to Israel makes sense for Americe, the payback far outweighs the dollars, many of which do come back. Has the roughly same aid to Eqypt paid off over the decades? Would they fight along side us if push came to shove?

frankj1 wrote:




Iraq was not a serious threat but they were funding Palestinian suicide bombers. They were an annoyance that has been eradicated.

The problem with the "never again" mindset is that Israel is no longer fighting for survival although that nation is still very split on that. The days of pushing Israel into the sea are long gone.

I don't see how financial assistance to Israel has paid us back other than as a weapons proving ground and orders to the military industrial complex. Egypt has provided the exact same orders to the military industrial complex and also got us access to the Suez Canal for our navy. Egypt was also part of the first Gulf War coalition and did fight along side us.




DrafterX
15 years ago
I can come up with reasons why it was a good idea to invade and take out Sadam but then I think about what it cost (not talking dollars here) and it's hard.... If nobody got hurt it wouldn't be a big deal would it..??
HockeyDad
15 years ago

I can come up with reasons why it was a good idea to invade and take out Sadam but then I think about what it cost (not talking dollars here) and it's hard.... If nobody got hurt it wouldn't be a big deal would it..??

DrafterX wrote:




It is easy to defend against an attack. Justifying risk/reward is much more difficult in preemptive wars.

(At least it cost less money than Obama's stimulus package!)
HockeyDad
15 years ago



FREEDOM FRIES AND FREEDOM TOAST!


You gotta admit, those were good times!
tailgater
15 years ago

re 37

no weapons were found



That's how.

frankj1 wrote:



Frank,
I was talking about "knowing" before the initial attack.
HockeyDad
15 years ago
Nobody knew for sure. It was a roulette wheel. Sometimes red, sometimes black. When it hits green everybody is F&$ked!
teedubbya
15 years ago
Frans Blix knew but he wears frilly underwear.
teedubbya
15 years ago
hans.... my edit key does not work.
HockeyDad
15 years ago
We'll never know who knew and didn't. Will never now which nations influence peddled to make it happen or not. We'll never know which global corporations were directly consulted for their prior approval. We'll never know what deals with countries and corporations were cut to get them involved or to stay uninvolved.

The one thing that is certain is that everything that happens across the geography that is Morocco all the way to India is interconnected. Wars don't just happen. Dolts don't get to just pull the triggers.



We need a new Middle East war. The old ones are played out.
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