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15 years ago

You're either saying GWB ended the unit and Obama restarted it or you're using some broader semantics to say GWB stopped the search for Bin Laden and Obama restarted the search.

Perhaps you should be saying the search for Bin Laden started during the late years of the Clinton administration, continued through the GWB administration, and has come to a successful conclusion during the Obama administration. Now that would actually be a correct statement.

HockeyDad wrote:



I wrote what I meant to say: 'started under Clinton before 9/11, ended under Bush, restarted the search under Obama.'

The unit was started under Clinton in 06. It was closed under Bush 10 years later, the search restarted in earnest under Obama.

"I don't know where he [Osama Bin Laden] is. I — I'll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him." GW Bush

Low priority for the President.

Obama's statement at a 2008 debate with McCain for which he was much maligned by the right:

And we have a difficult situation in Pakistan. I believe that part of the reason we have a difficult situation is because we made a bad judgment going into Iraq in the first place when we hadn't finished the job of hunting down bin Laden and crushing al-Qaida.

So what happened was we got distracted, we diverted resources, and ultimately bin Laden escaped, set up base camps in the mountains of Pakistan in the northwest provinces there.

They are now raiding our troops in Afghanistan, destabilizing the situation. They're stronger now than at any time since 2001. And that's why I think it's so important for us to reverse course because that's the central front on terrorism. They are plotting to kill Americans right now. As Secretary Gates, the Defense secretary, said, the war against terrorism began in that region, and that's where it will end.

So part of the reason I think it's so important for us to end the war in Iraq is to be able to get more troops into Afghanistan, put more pressure on the Afghan government to do what it needs to do, eliminate some of the drug trafficking that's funding terrorism.

But I do believe that we have to change our policies with Pakistan. We can't coddle, as we did, a dictator, give him billions of dollars, and then he's making peace treaties with the Taliban and militants. What I have said is we're going encourage democracy in Pakistan, expand our non-military aid to Pakistan so that they have more of a stake in working with us, but insisting that they go after these militants.

And if we have Osama bin Laden in our sights and the Pakistani government is unable or unwilling to take them out, then I think that we have to act, and we will take them out.

We will kill bin Laden. We will crush al-Qaida. That has to be our biggest national security priority.


High priority for the President.

So once again, I meant to write exactly what I wrote.
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15 years ago

Question Fuzz...

In this quote,

"An intelligence official who was granted anonymity to discuss classified information said the closing of the bin Laden unit reflected a greater grasp of the organization. "Our understanding of Al Qaeda has greatly evolved from where it was in the late 1990's," the official said, but added, "There are still people who wake up every day with the job of trying to find bin Laden."

it sounds to me that the unit may have been closed because it was unnecessary but, the search never stopped...

Am I wrong?

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Sure, partially. It just was further down the priority list as our resources were more focused in Iraq, a much bigger problem. Also in the article Scheuer, the guy who started the unit, said it was not a good idea. So we have different opinions by those there and well frankly, the results would speak for themselves.
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15 years ago



So once again, I meant to write exactly what I wrote.

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Then you simply are wrong once again and are trying to overstate/understate something to fit your political agenda.

In other news, the sun rose in the east again today.
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15 years ago

Then you simply are wrong once again and are trying to overstate/understate something to fit your political agenda.

In other news, the sun rose in the east again today.

HockeyDad wrote:



Perhaps you are not seeing the difference in priorities, in each President's own words and actions, because of your world view? Or maybe because it is me pointing it out?
HockeyDad
15 years ago

Perhaps you are not seeing the difference in priorities, in each President's own words and actions, because of your world view? Or maybe because it is me pointing it out?

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You interpreted a politician's statements about priorities and translated it into "stopped" and "restarted" to fit your agenda.

In other news, Osama Bin Laden is still dead.
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15 years ago

You interpreted a politician's statements about priorities and translated it into "stopped" and "restarted" to fit your agenda.

In other news, Osama Bin Laden is still dead.

HockeyDad wrote:



Ah, you are upset about that. I did not say Bush stopped looking for Osama entirely. I said he closed that division of the CIA and by his own words admitted the search was low on the list of priorities. He had a war to wage that wasn't going so well in Iraq. You are reading more into my words than is there. Happens a lot here.
HockeyDad
15 years ago

Ah, you are upset about that. I did not say Bush stopped looking for Osama entirely. I said he closed that division of the CIA and by his own words admitted the search was low on the list of priorities. He had a war to wage that wasn't going so well in Iraq. You are reading more into my words than is there. Happens a lot here.

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So Obama actually did not restart anything.



I don't mind made-up facts. Actually, they're the best kind if repeated enough. You're just fighting a 7+ front war to gain Obama his props and rip the previous administration with revisionist history.

Meanwhile the reality is Bush = Obama and we globalists control everything. The game is rigged.
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15 years ago

So Obama actually did not restart anything.

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Wow, HD. Everyone knows you are not a dumb person. So quit acting like one.

"We will kill bin Laden. We will crush al-Qaida. That has to be our biggest national security priority."

vs

"I don't know where he [Osama Bin Laden] is. I — I'll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him." GW Bush

So yes, Obama restarted the aggresive search for OBL.
HockeyDad
15 years ago
So GWB terminated the "aggressive search" and Obama restarted the "aggressive search".

That a pretty broad statement that can't be substantiated but it does fit your needs.

In other news, gasoline costs more than $3 per gallon.
DrafterX
15 years ago
stupid ethanol.... 😠
FuzzNJ
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15 years ago

So GWB terminated the "aggressive search" and Obama restarted the "aggressive search".

That a pretty broad statement that can't be substantiated but it does fit your needs.

In other news, gasoline costs more than $3 per gallon.

HockeyDad wrote:



Yes. Backed by Presidential words, actions and results.

Perhaps you are not seeing the difference in priorities, in each President's own words and actions, because of your world view? Or maybe because it is me pointing it out?
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15 years ago

stupid ethanol.... 😠

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Agreed. Cut the subsidies, but the program.
HockeyDad
15 years ago

Yes. Backed by Presidential words, actions and results.

Perhaps you are not seeing the difference in priorities, in each President's own words and actions, because of your world view? Or maybe because it is me pointing it out?

FuzzNJ wrote:






Perhaps it is because you are completely exaggerating "actions" to fit your agenda.

In other news, it has been determined that California is prone to earthquakes.
HockeyDad
15 years ago
We could always get rid of ethanol and bring back MTBE!
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15 years ago
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/03/AR2010060304965.html 

Friday, June 4, 2010

Beneath its commitment to soft-spoken diplomacy and beyond the combat zones of Afghanistan and Iraq, the Obama administration has significantly expanded a largely secret U.S. war against al-Qaeda and other radical groups, according to senior military and administration officials.

Special Operations forces have grown both in number and budget, and are deployed in 75 countries, compared with about 60 at the beginning of last year. In addition to units that have spent years in the Philippines and Colombia, teams are operating in Yemen and elsewhere in the Middle East, Africa and Central Asia.

Commanders are developing plans for increasing the use of such forces in Somalia, where a Special Operations raid last year killed the alleged head of al-Qaeda in East Africa. Plans exist for preemptive or retaliatory strikes in numerous places around the world, meant to be put into action when a plot has been identified, or after an attack linked to a specific group.

The surge in Special Operations deployments, along with intensified CIA drone attacks in western Pakistan, is the other side of the national security doctrine of global engagement and domestic values President Obama released last week.

One advantage of using "secret" forces for such missions is that they rarely discuss their operations in public. For a Democratic president such as Obama, who is criticized from either side of the political spectrum for too much or too little aggression, the unacknowledged CIA drone attacks in Pakistan, along with unilateral U.S. raids in Somalia and joint operations in Yemen, provide politically useful tools.

Obama, one senior military official said, has allowed "things that the previous administration did not."

Special Operations forces have grown both in number and budget, and are deployed in 75 countries, compared with about 60 at the beginning of last year. In addition to units that have spent years in the Philippines and Colombia, teams are operating in Yemen and elsewhere in the Middle East, Africa and Central Asia.

Commanders are developing plans for increasing the use of such forces in Somalia, where a Special Operations raid last year killed the alleged head of al-Qaeda in East Africa. Plans exist for preemptive or retaliatory strikes in numerous places around the world, meant to be put into action when a plot has been identified, or after an attack linked to a specific group.

The surge in Special Operations deployments, along with intensified CIA drone attacks in western Pakistan, is the other side of the national security doctrine of global engagement and domestic values President Obama released last week.

One advantage of using "secret" forces for such missions is that they rarely discuss their operations in public. For a Democratic president such as Obama, who is criticized from either side of the political spectrum for too much or too little aggression, the unacknowledged CIA drone attacks in Pakistan, along with unilateral U.S. raids in Somalia and joint operations in Yemen, provide politically useful tools.

Obama, one senior military official said, has allowed "things that the previous administration did not."

More at link
DrafterX
15 years ago

We could always get rid of ethanol and bring back MTBE!

HockeyDad wrote:




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Damn Bambi-huggers.... 😠
FuzzNJ
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15 years ago

We could always get rid of ethanol and bring back MTBE!

HockeyDad wrote:



That's that McDonald's burger where the hot stays hot and the cool stays cool, right?!?!?!
HockeyDad
15 years ago
Right.

So GWB terminated the "aggressive search" and Obama restarted the "aggressive search".
FuzzNJ
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15 years ago

Perhaps it is because you are completely exaggerating "actions" to fit your agenda.

In other news, it has been determined that California is prone to earthquakes.

HockeyDad wrote:



Naw, I'm pretty sure you are not up to date or just ignoring the facts, like the ones printed in the article above. Been common knowledge for years now for those who follow these sorts of things. As a matter of fact, Obama has been getting all sorts of flack from the left for the drone and special forces attacks, though most are in agreement with the OBL raid, not all. There are still some lefties who think it was not very nice, but f them.
HockeyDad
15 years ago
Like I said FuzzNJ, you create what you want to believe.
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