tailgater
homosexuality has nothing to do with pedophelia which is using children.
i can't think of any class of citizen that would defend pedophelias.
please explain how weak, twisted humans creat pedophiles.

To suggest that god created pedophiles is akin to blaming parents should one of their children grow up to be a murderer, rapist or pedophile. When I say that weak, twisted humans "create" pedophiles, I am merely suggesting that it is the person themselves who choose to harm others.
The "class" of people who defend pedophiles is the Liberal ACLU and those who support it. As previously mentioned on these boards, the ACLU defends the right of groups who abuse children. They claim to abhor the acts, yet STRONGLY defend their right to pursue it.
In my never humble opinion, this fact erases ALL the good that group has ever tried to achieve.

Maybe Finch can tell us what the relevance of the picture is. Are you proselytizing?

Actually PMoreno349, I couldn't think of a better picture to put up there. I think that a picture of Christ dying on the cross for your sins and mine is just fine.

But, thanks for asking anyway.

Just don't say the Jews killed Christ. I have to face that when I visit my inlaws and get the "Ya know....if the Jews hadn't sold out Jesus....."

I keep reading on the subject...and I am pretty convinced Romans did the deed.

FFinch

you are proselytizing and that is your business, but don't ever tell me again that what i post is wrong, unfair, or contrary to the rules of the board.
incidently, i don't believe in sin.

Rick wrote:

"you are proselytizing and that is your business, but don't ever tell me again that what i post is wrong, unfair, or contrary to the rules of the board.
incidently, i don't believe in sin."

Hey Rick, I thought that we were past that? If I recall, I did pubicly apologize to you for what I wrote about you and I believe that you did forgive me right? Or, are you recinding that? Perhaps you need me to grovel for you? There's a difference between humility and groveling. I mean, why didn't you bring this up before now? The picture of Christ was posted from the beginning.

As for "proselytizing", I actually thought that I was "apologizing". My image of Christ was in no way meant to be taken as proselytizing. Please save us all the agony of your "I'm offended" attitude Rick. After all, aren't you the self-proclaimed "thought catylist" around here? Or, does that only apply when you can make others squirm and get angry?

As for the "rules", please show me where it says anything about proselytizing being prohibited?

Oh, and I welcome any further comments that will "bump" this thread and the picture of Christ up to the top of the forum, thanks.

Peace to you Rick.

Rayder writes: "Just don't say the Jews killed Christ. I have to face that when I visit my inlaws and get the "Ya know....if the Jews hadn't sold out Jesus....."

Rayder, I hadn't really thought about bringing that up. In fact, I read your post to me earlier and caught your vibe about your faith. I know you're Jewish and I also know who crucified Jesus Christ.

And I believe that the Jewish people did not "sell out" or murder Christ. Christ was a very proper Jew himself. Much of Christianity owes it's roots to Judaism, all of our New Testament beliefs and practices are deeply rooted in Mosaic law and practice of the "new and everlasting Covenant".

And by the way, for you atheists out there, I'm not "proselytizing", I'm discussing history with Rayder.

You could have posted your apology on the Misc board. I was just wondering what point you were trying to make with the picture.

PMoreno349 writes: "You could have posted your apology on the Misc board. I was just wondering what point you were trying to make with the picture."

Actually, I didn't have to post an apology at all. But, since I made my disparaging comments about Rick in this forum, I thought it appropriate to post my apology here as well for the purpose of continuity.

As for the picture, it truly was an after-thought because after I had typed my apology and went to post it, I received an error message from the site. So, I quickly thought that I would include a picture of Christ.

But, you offer an interesting point in that Rick could have originally voiced his opinion about the Catholic Church on another board sans cartoon. But then, he wouldn't have gotten the rise out of me now would he?

In summary, I don't need a photo to stand up and say "I apologize". Others simply post photos to glean responses. And while that is all well and good and a lot of fun to read, My purpose was different, and it wasn't for proselytizing either.

But hey, once again, a rendition of Jesus Christ on the cross gets "bumped" to the top of the thread again. Thanks.

Back to the thread......

As I undestand, It works something like this. Young catholic man believes himself to be gay. Confesses to his priest. Priest tells young man homosexuallity is immoral and his only option is to be celibate. Young devoute catholic man sees few life paths that offer celibacy as a catholic without being doomed to a life alone and isolated. Except one, the priesthood. Figures he will have his parish and fellow priest to give him strength. Becomes a priest and is able to control his sexual urges for a time through his faith but the sexually charged society he lives in and the long days and nights alone eventually overtake him. What to do? Can't search out another gay man publicly for fear of being caught and outed. So he victimizes someone who would be too fearful to speak out, the children.
The church's policies are a major part of this problem. It is those policies that need to change to protect these kids.

Finch, Do you think that error message was from Jesus himself? Maybe he wanted to send a message through you!

FFinch

consider this hand shake, a peace offering, an apology for offending you and a wish to have peace beween us.

let us argue about bush and politics and war and all other things that do not touch on religion. i have none and you do. that puts us at odds regardless of what we say.

i must continue, however fighting my good fight against pretty much everything including organized religion and the coming roe vs wade fight, assuming democrats can fight.

i am sure i will offend your religious upbringing, but my none religious upbringing wont be offended by the comments (probably not from you) about my godlessness and my lack of understanding about the meaning of life from a religious point of view. my lack of faith, my selling myself to the devil, my future burning in hell for eternity and i'm sure other remarks i have not even thought of.

i have helped your cause and have bumped this thread and the picture of Christ to the top. resurrected if you will, by a heathen.

What goes into 9yrs. a dozen times?..........
A priest.

FFinch

atheist-- One that disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods.

i guess i am not an atheist, i don't even think about it one way or another. god, no god, universal force, no universal force. what's the difference? solved the dilemma at age 12 and haven't had to deal with it since.

don't be so subtle, we all know that the jewish hierarchy "sold out" christ.

he was not a proper jew, i think he voted democratic, he was a liberal don't forget. he was a trouble maker and they turned him over to the romans to deal with.

Rick wrote (in two separate postings):

"consider this hand shake, a peace offering, an apology for offending you and a wish to have peace beween us."

Splendid offering of peace Rick. I accept whole-heartedly and also desire peace with you.

"let us argue about bush and politics and war and all other things that do not touch on religion. i have none and you do. that puts us at odds regardless of what we say."

Perhaps (to the latter), but I'd prefer not toargue with you about President Bush or the war et al. These things are "of this world" and not what I prefer to focus on. Despite what you think, even though I do consider myself more conservative than not, your social views aren't offensive to me.

"i must continue, however fighting my good fight against pretty much everything including organized religion and the coming roe vs wade fight, assuming democrats can fight."

I respect your position Rick and would encourage you to fight for what you believe in. As for Row V Wade, I'm sure that you know where I stand on that issue.

"i am sure i will offend your religious upbringing, but my none religious upbringing wont be offended by the comments (probably not from you) about my godlessness and my lack of understanding about the meaning of life from a religious point of view. my lack of faith, my selling myself to the devil, my future burning in hell for eternity and i'm sure other remarks i have not even thought of."

Actually Rick, I don't have a "religious upbringing" to speak of. To the contrary, I was quite the heathen myself most of my life. As for your condemnations listed, I don't judge you (even though I did wronfully call you a bigot). I don't believe it is my place to tell you where you will end up after you pass away.

"i have helped your cause and have bumped this thread and the picture of Christ to the top. resurrected if you will, by a heathen."

Heathen to heathen, I appreciate your tongue in cheek recognition of my previous post regarding "bumping" my picture up. Hey, don't be so hard on yourself, I still think that there's a chance for you! : )

"i guess i am not an atheist, i don't even think about it one way or another. god, no god, universal force, no universal force. what's the difference? solved the dilemma at age 12 and haven't had to deal with it since."

Age 12 eh? Must have been pretty bright then. You ask "what's the difference"? I say plenty, but I agree with your call for peace and the end to our barbs at one another. I suppose that my wish would be for you to be as happy an at peace as I feel. That's all Rick, nothing more.

"don't be so subtle, we all know that the jewish hierarchy "sold out" christ."

Aha!!! You caught my sentence that used the word "people" huh? You are correct Sir. I stated that I "knew who killed Christ". And I believe that between Caiphas and Annas and the other power hungry members of the Sanhedrin, their political pact with Pilate and Herod Antipas to rid the Temple of threats posed by Christ killed Jesus.

The Jewish people had as much to do with killing Christ as taxpayers have to do with the hidden agendas of their representatives (?)

"he was not a proper jew, i think he voted democratic, he was a liberal don't forget. he was a trouble maker and they turned him over to the romans to deal with."

But Sir, you confuse Christ with the Sadducees or perhaps the Scribes of the Sanhedrin. They thought themselves to be "proper Jews" as far as observing the "letter" of Mosaic law. But, as you have accurately pointed out, He was very much a social liberal thinker and wanted GOD's people to follow (or live) the "spirit" of the law, thus making him a very proper Jew in actuality.

Much like the liberals of today (limosine liberals), the Temple keepers told others what was "good for them" but failed to live the example themselves. Much too often we hear cries of "eat the rich" from the likes of Gore, Levin, and Kennedy. And yet, these Men live as kings while the poor beg for scraps. So who among us lives as Christ now? It is left up to us (the little ones) to live as He did and do for the least of our bretheren.

Peace to you Rick.

"So who among us lives as Christ now?"

You mean wearing wood and leather sandals and walking hundreds of miles in the desert talking to people about my dad?


(Just some humor in this thread...no offense intended)

rayder1

that my friend, is wit at it's finest.

i don't know who i sent cd's to, did i send you any klezmer? [email protected]

FFinch

you are a true soul mate. i consider a draw with you, better then any win i have had.

keep those cards and letter coming.

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