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HockeyDad
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14 years ago

#21

If she is in your city, do not be out at night alone. Stay in groups and on the main streets.

wheelrite
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14 years ago

#22

If she is in your city, do not be out at night alone. Stay in groups and on the main streets.

HockeyDad wrote:

So,
She's like Rosie O'Donnell on the hunt for fresh poon?

be afraid,,,

jackconrad
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14 years ago

#23

(\__/)
(=’.’=)
("))+_(")
Dats my cousin Harvery livin on her head !

rfenst
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14 years ago

#24

Is Rfenst a TV show lawyer ???

wheelrite wrote:

Only if I get paid as much as Judge Judy.
Oh, and Marylin Milian is much hotter.

Gene363
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14 years ago

#25

... I hate her with a passion.

rfenst wrote:

Caution, there is a mighty thin line that separates passionate hate from passionate love.

I'm just saying [jester]

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rfenst
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14 years ago

#26

If you want to see an outstanding, extremely effective, very classic: "failed to prove beyond any reasonable doubt"; someone else-may-have -done-it; their witnesses are all liar's; closing statement, you need to turn this on right now!

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Gene363
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14 years ago

#27

rfenst wrote:

Nice diversion. [jester]

Right now he is cutting on the Father, I say drown the entire family.

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rfenst
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14 years ago

#28

Nice diversion. [jester]

Right now he is cutting on the Father, I say drown the entire family.

Gene363 wrote:

Both myself and several other lawyers on Central Florida Trial Lawyers' Association list-serve (some of whom were long assistant state attorneys and criminal attorneys) think he is doing very well. A tad long, but still very well. Let's see if its good enough to save her life- wanna bet it does?

Gene363
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14 years ago

#29

rfenst wrote:

So you think she will be declared totally innocent or just not get the death penalty?

I'm not a betting man, even if I was betting on what a jury would be about my last choice.

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rfenst
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14 years ago

#30

So you think she will be declared totally innocent or just not get the death penalty?

I'm not a betting man, even if I was betting on what a jury would be about my last choice.

Gene363 wrote:

Not get the death penalty.

rfenst
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14 years ago

#31

Not get the death penalty.

rfenst wrote:

This is going late. Defense is arguing for lesser included offenses. Prosecutor still has almost 3.5 hours left on the clock. If he cuts it short to just two more hours, it will still be night time and dark outside.

HockeyDad
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14 years ago

#32

I would never bet on a decision made by 12 people who are too stupid to get out of jury duty.

rfenst
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14 years ago

#33

I would never bet on a decision made by 12 people who are too stupid to get out of jury duty.

HockeyDad wrote:

Based on everything I saw and heard from the televised broadcast of the proceedings, I would have to (unfortunately) find her not-guilty under the law, except for the four charges for lying to law enforcement.

jimbud
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14 years ago

#34

I watched almost all of the closing arguments. First, you have to understand, trying a small case is a tremendous undertaking, as I'm sure rfenst will agree. Trying a case like this is beyond exhausting. These lawyers have been, no doubt, putting in 15 to 18 hour days since 30 days before evidence started, with no days off. That is why you get so pissed off when you see opposing counsel laughing during your closing argument..... I thought the defense lawyers were absolutely excellent and very dedicated. I differ in what I think will result -- I think the prosecution gets some version of first degree.

rfenst
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14 years ago

#35

jimbud wrote:

Jim,

I am here in Orlando. Did an internship at the State Attorney's Office. Jeff Ashton is a DICKHEAD. Probably 2/3 of what he was accused of is true. Nobody here knows anything about Baez, except for this case. Baez' "supervisor" Cheney Mason, is a death-penalty certified "good old Boy", who gets results, but wasn't of any real help in this case. Sad thing is that if Cassey hired one of the real "guns" in town, we would have seen a brilliant trial.

Trial is among the most exhausting legal work. Just sitting there and paying attention will wipe anyone out. Then, as soon as the trial day is over, there are hours of work to do to prepare for the next day. If the lawyers on this case are getting more than five hours sleep per night, they are very lucky. Imagine what RX need to take or drink, just to fall asleep?

I just don't see a jury sending her to the chair or for an injection...

rfenst
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14 years ago

#36

Too bad Judge Perry took this case.
Too bad the Bar Rules are so strict I could get in trouble for publicly criticizing him.

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jimbud
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14 years ago

#37

Robert: Great info!! There is no better info than local reputation. I imagine the FL Bar in your area is as incestuous as ours is here.... No offense -- and I know you aren't a prosecutor now -- but I have rarely come across a non-DICKHEAD prosecutor. When I saw him laughing during Baez's argument, I wanted to put my fist through the screen. I do civil, and have only tangential dealings with them. Didn't realize Baez was an unknown. That is very surprising, and I know what you mean re: going with the proven guns in the jurisdiction. In our Bar Association, some of the key death penalty qualified guys go for a week every year to Gerry Spence's Trial College that has a special seminar on death penalty defense. Same guys, over and over, and they are good. Noted that Cheney opened with an anecdote about Hartford, CT, which I enjoyed.

jimbud
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14 years ago

#38

Perry is a hard ass and will be perceived by the public as a great judge. I saw nothing that distinguished him. He displayed no understanding of what the lawyers were going through. We call it black robe syndrome.....

snowwolf777
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14 years ago

#39

Is Rfenst a TV show lawyer ???

wheelrite wrote:

No, but he plays a TV show lawyer on TV.

It's complicated, but lawyers can figure that stuff out, because they have a lot of book learnin' and stuff.

🍺

rfenst
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14 years ago

#40

jimbud wrote:

Maybe I didn't express it correctly: As far as most prosecutors go, he's a MAJOR ******. Whine, Whine Whine.
Smirk, Smirk, Smirk. Facial gestures galore. I saw nothing wrong with Baez calling him out on it and directing the jury's attention to Ashton. This is a death trial- not misdemeanor arraignment- where accuseds say the darnedest things...

Baez has been practicing for about 8 years now. No one understands how she ever got to him, with so many choices out there. Funny thing is that the parents' first lawyer, Mark Nejame, would have been a great pick by Cassey. He's a media savy/whore, who is very creative. Prosecutors don't want' to mess with him.

Rumor id that Judge Perry is about to retire. I see a book deal in his future.

Here is what concerns me the most. Every single lawyer commentator on TV has ridiculed Baez' strategy and how bad he messed up by making an Opening Statement when he did, let alone what he said about an accidental drowning. So too has Retired Judge Eaton who, despite his total lack of on-air personality, is the most knowledgeable death-penalty judge in Florida. How does she NOT get a re-trial due to ineffective counsel?

Lots of potentially improper, novel expert testimony, such as on "the odor of decomposition"...

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