FuzzNJ
15 years ago

and YOU defend those policies! You think and still do that it was the government's role to bailout and buyout Wall Street.

No, you don't get to change your tune now Rachael Ray.

DrMaddVibe wrote:



I didn't defend, I reluctantly agreed it was necessary for the Bush administration to do it to stabilize the world economy. I did not think the way it was done, with no strings or demands etc., was right. The bailouts of GM and Chrysler at least had conditions and the taxpayer will get back all their money and then some.

Truth is if it hadn't been done, things would be a lot worse. If it would have been done better, things would be a bit better.

I did say quite a bit more in the post that you didn't address though, so I can assume you agree on the rest?

tweoijfoi
15 years ago

and YOU defend those policies! You think and still do that it was the government's role to bailout and buyout Wall Street.

No, you don't get to change your tune now Rachael Ray.

DrMaddVibe wrote:



He's saying the bailout was neccessary but that those responsable should have been strung up and/or life in prison, instead of getting off richer than ever.
DrMaddVibe
15 years ago

I didn't defend, I reluctantly agreed it was necessary for the Bush administration to do it to stabilize the world economy. I did not think the way it was done, with no strings or demands etc., was right. The bailouts of GM and Chrysler at least had conditions and the taxpayer will get back all their money and then some.

Truth is if it hadn't been done, things would be a lot worse. If it would have been done better, things would be a bit better.

I did say quite a bit more in the post that you didn't address though, so I can assume you agree on the rest?

FuzzNJ wrote:




I was against Bush doing it and I'm against ANYONE doing it! The American taxpayer LOST money on those 2 auto companies. Bond and stockholders did too...I'm waiting litigation on that...It's going to be amusing to watch Owebama's healthcare get stricken down as un-Constitutional as well as the rest of his dismal policies.

No, theres not any truth to it...we have bankruptcy laws on the books already...USE THEM! You have no idea what would've happened, but I can tell everyone reading this that Capitalism if they would've allowed it to operate would've taken care of this mess sooner than the stagnation we have now with constant meddling. Instead it was a powergrab by this administration to payoff the unions that put him in power. See it for what it was for God's sake! The solid "truth" is you don't know what the hell you're talking about because you don't really know what would've happened. Instead we get to hear after the fact that money was doled out to foreign institutions...WITH NO OVERSIGHT! By an organization with NO OVERSIGHT! They're answerable to nobody! When they do get trotted up on the hill they don't answer the questions...because they can't!

That's the problem with halfwit students with no practical experience outside of a classroom...when the rubber hits the road it doesn't work. They want to have their hands on the till...they're not fit to have their hand on their own ass! Look at how the uber-smaaat scholars are leaving this administration back to the sweet payday of a classroom. THEY created this mess! Now they get to lecture fresh brain mush with their failed idelogy...but they won't say that...they'll claim they were misunderstood...the American public is too stupid to follow their ideas...or we ran out of money or some other BS that you'll crow about right with them. Too big to fail was the battle-cry the Turbo-Tax Timmay's and Bennie the Beards were screaming. You bought the lies.

As for the rest of you post...who cares? You? Get over whatever it is you're trying to do and yes you can assume anything and evewrything you want. Everyone here KNOWS that's what you do. Everyone here KNOWS what happens when one does.
FuzzNJ
15 years ago

He's saying the bailout was neccessary but that those responsable should have been strung up and/or life in prison, instead of getting off richer than ever.

tweoijfoi wrote:



I don't think there is a death penalty for fraud, but you basically are correct. 🍺
DrMaddVibe
15 years ago

He's saying the bailout was neccessary but that those responsable should have been strung up and/or life in prison, instead of getting off richer than ever.

tweoijfoi wrote:




Half right!

The bailouts were NOT necessary.

Businesses fail every day. Laws were created so a business like GM could restructure it's debt and continue operating. Instead we wiped away all debt and gave more power to morons that didn't know how to run their business to begin with!

As for being strung up...yes. Wall Street to Detroit...you want the taxpayer dollars to run your business...you deserve whatever the taxpayer wants to give you...INDIVIDUALLY! If you wanted to donate to them...do it, but to have my children's future mortgaged by fools, liars, thieves, sexual deviants and arrogant snots that never ran a lemonade stand...yes, let them twist in the wind!
ZRX1200
15 years ago
Restructuring wouldn't have benifitted the unions as much as the bailout did. Andy Stern didn't approve of bankruptcy.
FuzzNJ
15 years ago

I was against Bush doing it and I'm against ANYONE doing it! The American taxpayer LOST money on those 2 auto companies. Bond and stockholders did too...I'm waiting litigation on that...It's going to be amusing to watch Owebama's healthcare get stricken down as un-Constitutional as well as the rest of his dismal policies.

No, theres not any truth to it...we have bankruptcy laws on the books already...USE THEM! You have no idea what would've happened, but I can tell everyone reading this that Capitalism if they would've allowed it to operate would've taken care of this mess sooner than the stagnation we have now with constant meddling. Instead it was a powergrab by this administration to payoff the unions that put him in power. See it for what it was for God's sake! The solid "truth" is you don't know what the hell you're talking about because you don't really know what would've happened. Instead we get to hear after the fact that money was doled out to foreign institutions...WITH NO OVERSIGHT! By an organization with NO OVERSIGHT! They're answerable to nobody! When they do get trotted up on the hill they don't answer the questions...because they can't!

That's the problem with halfwit students with no practical experience outside of a classroom...when the rubber hits the road it doesn't work. They want to have their hands on the till...they're not fit to have their hand on their own ass! Look at how the uber-smaaat scholars are leaving this administration back to the sweet payday of a classroom. THEY created this mess! Now they get to lecture fresh brain mush with their failed idelogy...but they won't say that...they'll claim they were misunderstood...the American public is too stupid to follow their ideas...or we ran out of money or some other BS that you'll crow about right with them. Too big to fail was the battle-cry the Turbo-Tax Timmay's and Bennie the Beards were screaming. You bought the lies.

As for the rest of you post...who cares? You? Get over whatever it is you're trying to do and yes you can assume anything and evewrything you want. Everyone here KNOWS that's what you do. Everyone here KNOWS what happens when one does.

DrMaddVibe wrote:



Sure, I don't know what would have happened, exactly, if we let 2 of our 3 auto makers go bankrupt, but then again neither do you, so that argument is moot. What we can do is project based on logic.

Millions of jobs would have been lost. More than just 2 companies would have gone bankrupt, suppliers, dealers, parts manufacturers etc. Not to mention all the small businesses near factories of all those companies. The domino effect would have been devistating.

We also would have lost a huge part of what little is left of our manufacturing base, even though so much of it has been moved to Mexico or Canada. In the case of a national emergency, having those facilities available is crucial.

I have already said that any money given out without oversight is not good, so we agree on that. However, most on the right then complain that it's communism if the government has this oversight on private businesses, so you can't complain both sides of the issue.

This administration created no economic mess, they inherited it. They may have created some messes while trying to clean it up, but this in no way started under their watch. It's funny that you say that they will claim that the public is too stupid when you are saying that I am too stupid to understand your ideas.

Assume? I made no assumptions in that post.
DrMaddVibe
15 years ago

Restructuring wouldn't have benifitted the unions as much as the bailout did. Andy Stern didn't approve of bankruptcy.

ZRX1200 wrote:




Well, when you have a guy like Andy stern visiting the White House and spending more time with the President than his closest staff then you KNOW there's an issue of Ethics gone wrong...especially by someone that lectured and wagged his pointed finger at America that he was going to be "transparent"...riiight.

See the sham for what it was...an end-around game against Capitalism. Capitalism is the only system that does work. It rewards hard work and fresh ideas. It doesn't reward the lazy and incompetent.
FuzzNJ
15 years ago

Half right!

The bailouts were NOT necessary.

Businesses fail every day. Laws were created so a business like GM could restructure it's debt and continue operating. Instead we wiped away all debt and gave more power to morons that didn't know how to run their business to begin with!

As for being strung up...yes. Wall Street to Detroit...you want the taxpayer dollars to run your business...you deserve whatever the taxpayer wants to give you...INDIVIDUALLY! If you wanted to donate to them...do it, but to have my children's future mortgaged by fools, liars, thieves, sexual deviants and arrogant snots that never ran a lemonade stand...yes, let them twist in the wind!

DrMaddVibe wrote:



This is precisely the attitude that makes tea-baggers and big L Libertarians incapable of governing.
FuzzNJ
15 years ago

Well, when you have a guy like Andy stern visiting the White House and spending more time with the President than his closest staff then you KNOW there's an issue of Ethics gone wrong...especially by someone that lectured and wagged his pointed finger at America that he was going to be "transparent"...riiight.

DrMaddVibe wrote:



Another lie perpetuated by the right-wing media. For someone who says they don't listen to it, you sure have a lot of 'facts' that they like to spew.
DrMaddVibe
15 years ago

Sure, I don't know what would have happened, exactly, if we let 2 of our 3 auto makers go bankrupt, but then again neither do you, so that argument is moot. What we can do is project based on logic.

FuzzNJ wrote:



Then STOP pretending that giving taxpayers money away like free candy was any type of a solution then!

Millions of jobs would have been lost. More than just 2 companies would have gone bankrupt, suppliers, dealers, parts manufacturers etc. Not to mention all the small businesses near factories of all those companies. The domino effect would have been devistating.

FuzzNJ wrote:



Millions? I seriously doubt that. News flash...GM will go bankrupt again. Instead of another company snapping up it's assets from a Chapter 11 and creating something new they delayed the inevitable and made damn sure that ANYONE with a fresh idea would have their equity stolen away like the bond and shareholders of those 2 fine auto companies. Those shining bastions of manufacturing would instead probably streamlined their operations like...say...FORD has been doing since the late 80's! WITHOUT TAXPAYER MONEY!!!!

We also would have lost a huge part of what little is left of our manufacturing base, even though so much of it has been moved to Mexico or Canada. In the case of a national emergency, having those facilities available is crucial.

FuzzNJ wrote:



Hello...NAFTA wiped that away long before...national emergency? Don't make me laugh. DC has sold America out for mineral rights and you think we're going to mass produce Chevy Volts to thwart off the criminal spending spree?

I have already said that any money given out without oversight is not good, so we agree on that. However, most on the right then complain that it's communism if the government has this oversight on private businesses, so you can't complain both sides of the issue.

FuzzNJ wrote:



Shut up about most on the right...you halfwit. Yeah halfwit because you want to play this half against that half. See it for what it is. If you want Communism...go to Cuba and live under that. China doesn't have it and Russia never did...oh they call it that but it's not. Not by any academic sense and certainly not by Marx's sniff test.

This administration created no economic mess, they inherited it. They may have created some messes while trying to clean it up, but this in no way started under their watch. It's funny that you say that they will claim that the public is too stupid when you are saying that I am too stupid to understand your ideas.

FuzzNJ wrote:




Yes...they did. They were consulted every lockstep way once the Kenyan King was the Dem's anointed one. Bush made damn sure he was too. Look it up. It's there. I remember it vividly...it was this mean evil wicked man reaching across to the savior as he parted the waters and led his people to the Promised Land...manna shot out of his ass. Owebama then turned around and ushered in another round of bailouts and buyouts. Add some ObamaCare to the mix...what do ya say to another war too? Let's not get out of the 2 we had already...let's meddle the military complex up with more to play with and yes...this current administration created an economic mess...check your beloved CBO today Fuzzy Wuzzy...boo hoo hoo...sucks to be you...all the stuff that almost everyone here was telling you all along. These are not MY ideas...it's called Capitalism at work. The weak disappear. The strong survive. There will be an emerging technology that envelopes the prior one...it always has and it always will. Remove your hatred for me from the scope of what you read and if you can't differentiate it from reality then you are a failed student.


Assume? I made no assumptions in that post.

FuzzNJ
15 years ago
So much anger today DMV. The red text doesn't make you any more correct btw, it does highlight your obvious venom though. Unfortunate that you can't hold a conversation without all the personal insults and mocking tone. Might have been a good one.
DrMaddVibe
15 years ago

So much anger today DMV. The red text doesn't make you any more correct btw, it does highlight your obvious venom though. Unfortunate that you can't hold a conversation without all the personal insults and mocking tone. Might have been a good one.

FuzzNJ wrote:




Anger schmanger...get over the facts.

You're wrong...AGAIN.

Matter of fact unless its some useless recipe that nobody is ever going to make...you've never been right!

Shut down Fuzzy Wuzzy...go back into your shell.

We all await your next moment of monumental FAIL!
FuzzNJ
15 years ago

Anger schmanger...get over the facts.

You're wrong...AGAIN.

Matter of fact unless its some useless recipe that nobody is ever going to make...you've never been right!

Shut down Fuzzy Wuzzy...go back into your shell.

We all await your next moment of monumental FAIL!

DrMaddVibe wrote:



Allrighty. Enjoy your day. I know I will.
DrMaddVibe
15 years ago

Allrighty. Enjoy your day. I know I will.

FuzzNJ wrote:




I'm sure you will...make sure you have your entire family stand around your computer chair and discuss the merits of how wrong I am for laughs.

Yeah, you'll have a good day changing diapers, doing the laundry and getting your nails done![frypan]

FuzzNJ
15 years ago

I'm sure you will...make sure you have your entire family stand around your computer chair and discuss the merits of how wrong I am for laughs.

Yeah, you'll have a good day changing diapers, doing the laundry and getting your nails done![frypan]

DrMaddVibe wrote:



If I did do that, you would be looked at more with pity than enjoyment. I haven't had to change diapers in years and I don't miss it at all, and I've only had a manicure once professionally while on vacation after getting a massage. I did have a Dominican ex girlfriend who would clean my nails up occasionally, but that was 20 years ago when I was pretty.
DrMaddVibe
15 years ago

If I did do that, you would be looked at more with pity than enjoyment. I haven't had to change diapers in years and I don't miss it at all, and I've only had a manicure once professionally while on vacation after getting a massage. I did have a Dominican ex girlfriend who would clean my nails up occasionally, but that was 20 years ago when I was pretty.

FuzzNJ wrote:




Sorry your day is sucking so bad that you felt the need to come back and fire off a retort to the point that you couldn't have a discussion!
FuzzNJ
15 years ago

Sorry your day is sucking so bad that you felt the need to come back and fire off a retort to the point that you couldn't have a discussion!

DrMaddVibe wrote:



It was actually a retort to a sorry excuse of an insult from an angry little petty man with such low self esteem he must constantly insult someone who disagrees with him in order to make himself feel better.

Slight difference. But I can see how you would see it the way you do as I have empathy, a trait sorely lacking by most who frequent this board.

DrMaddVibe
15 years ago

It was actually a retort to a sorry excuse of an insult from an angry little petty man with such low self esteem he must constantly insult someone who disagrees with him in order to make himself feel better.

Slight difference. But I can see how you would see it the way you do as I have empathy, a trait sorely lacking by most who frequent this board.

FuzzNJ wrote:




LMFAO!!!

Poor Fuzzy...poor poor Fuzzy.

How 'bout a Fresca?[frypan]
FuzzNJ
15 years ago

LMFAO!!!

Poor Fuzzy...poor poor Fuzzy.

How 'bout a Fresca?[frypan]

DrMaddVibe wrote:



I'm fine, I require no sympathy, but thanks anyway.

And no thanks. I don't like fresca. Got a single malt?
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