DrafterX
13 years ago

Zero, other than me. Now I just have to figure out if that makes me stubborn or stupid.

SammyETN wrote:




you can be both.... 😟
SammyETN
13 years ago

Sammy.


Victor thinks everyone but him is a circus freak.


Excuse me while I refuel the clown car and seltzer bottle............

ZRX1200 wrote:




You are in charge of the clown car? If I send you some good cigars will you tell me how you manage to cram 20 clowns into such a little car?

Please!!!
victor809
13 years ago

Zero, other than me. Now I just have to figure out if that makes me stubborn or stupid.

SammyETN wrote:



Well.... you're posting on an internet forum about cigars.

I'm gonna say none of us are rocket scientists....
victor809
13 years ago

Sammy.


Victor thinks everyone but him is a circus freak.


Excuse me while I refuel the clown car and seltzer bottle............

ZRX1200 wrote:



Z's finally starting to figure me out.
SammyETN
13 years ago

Well.... you're posting on an internet forum about cigars.

I'm gonna say none of us are rocket scientists....

victor809 wrote:




well, I was going to go with stubborn but you just blew that right out of the water.
ZRX1200
13 years ago
The majority of Americans believe the same as this guy.



Discussing the reality of the situation not the validity of that opinion.



Marriage truely should be a church issue not a state issue. The state (gov't) has no business being involved in it. If a gay friendly church wants to marry gay couples I don't care. Its not a lifestyle I hate or agree with. Sexual preferences have no bearing to me on the value of the person. And the concern for their eternal soul is something that will ALWAYS be in disagreement. Should a "traditional christian" proselytize for the gay person to save their soul or should theyhave reserve the judgement for Gods hands........


Its a complicated thing. I don't think its right to force normality of it on tradional believers and its wrong to devalue gays as people. I don't know the "right" way to do that I just live my life.

I had a chicken cesar salad for lunch in honor of thia thread.
SammyETN
13 years ago
So that would be a no on telling me how the clown car works?
ZRX1200
13 years ago
If I tell you Victor will hit on me.......






(Astroglide and a false floor)
HockeyDad
13 years ago
I'm going to Chick-Fil-A now.
jojoc
13 years ago

What people can't seem to get is that the guy came out in support of traditional family which means he subscribes to the idea that two members of the same sex should not be allowed to get married. That is simply a kind way of saying I don't think everybody should have equal rights because they do something I disagree with and so they don't deserve them. That's wrong.

SammyETN wrote:





it is not an issue of equal rights. it is an issue of redefining what marriage is. Marriage is a union of a man and a woman.

victor809
13 years ago

I'm going to Chick-Fil-A now.

HockeyDad wrote:



No matter how many homophobic ChickFilA sandwiches you stuff in your gullet, it won't change your sexuality HD....

victor809
13 years ago

If I tell you Victor will hit on me.......






(Astroglide and a false floor)

ZRX1200 wrote:



But Z.... you get me. You can't just push me away like that. We were meant to be together forever. You and I are going to have to get married, you realize that right?

(please realize though, due to commitment issues, I'm not exactly gonna leave my girlfriend.... but, because of those same commitment issues you're gonna have to be monogamous to me. Just the way it is, no harm no foul)

Anyway, I was thinking Fall wedding....
victor809
13 years ago

it is not an issue of equal rights. it is an issue of redefining what marriage is. Marriage is a union of a man and a woman.

jojoc wrote:



Since when?

You're talking about the modern interpretation of christianity I'm guessing. As an atheist, I'm sure as hell not going to let you force your religious definitions of marriage on me. And you'll notice there are other modern religions with differing interpretations of marriage.

Simply put, any legal definition of marriage needs to be founded on the premise that everyone is equal, since that's the basic premise of our gov't. You can religiously define it any way you want, and you can join a church that will never allow gays or interracial people or whatever to marry. But I shouldn't be forced to support a government that believes in your religion.
ZRX1200
13 years ago
I'm picking center pieces, colors and flower arraingments.
HockeyDad
13 years ago

No matter how many homophobic ChickFilA sandwiches you stuff in your gullet, it won't change your sexuality HD....

victor809 wrote:




That's a good thing! How 'bout you switch-hitter?!
dpnewell
13 years ago

Since when?

Simply put, any legal definition of marriage needs to be founded on the premise that everyone is equal, since that's the basic premise of our gov't. You can religiously define it any way you want, and you can join a church that will never allow gays or interracial people or whatever to marry. But I shouldn't be forced to support a government that believes in your religion.

victor809 wrote:



This whole thread is being side tracked by both sides. Here's the fact. Elected government officials are denying Chick-fil-A the right to open restaurants in their cities, due to the owner's OPINION of what constitutes marriage. If some restaurant owner's religion held that marriage should be between humans and sheep, would it be correct for government officials to deny him the right to open restaurants in their cities? Of course not. That would be against the law. Yet it seems any more in our society, that everyone's opinions is valid, unless those opinions which happen to be traditional Christian, in which case they must be punished and crushed. This is nothing more then religious persecution. What these Mayors are doing is blatantly illegal, yet being applauded by the same folks who wouldn’t stand for this kind of persecution of owners with non-Christian religious/spiritual/secular beliefs. Can’t have it both ways, bud.
HockeyDad
13 years ago
These mayors are collaborators with the gay-homo militant extremists.
SammyETN
13 years ago
Okay, let's try this again. Regardless of one's opinions, religious or otherwise, no one has the right to deny others their rights. All this crap about traditional marriage is nothing more than people who dislike gays trying to keep them from getting the rights they deserve. This is no different than when religious people were against integration because they believed that blacks were animals, that a black skin was the curse of Cain and countless other idiotic beliefs. Despite what you make like to believe, gays do not want to take over the world. They want the same benefits that straight couples get. Nothing more, nothing less. Of course these are the ramblings of a gay-homo militant extremist, so I expect they will be ignored.
ZRX1200
13 years ago
Do they issue you gang colors?

Saggy Gucci pants?


Do you have to drive a Volvo with hydrolics and spinner rims?
victor809
13 years ago

This whole thread is being side tracked by both sides. Here's the fact. Elected government officials are denying Chick-fil-A the right to open restaurants in their cities, due to the owner's OPINION of what constitutes marriage. If some restaurant owner's religion held that marriage should be between humans and sheep, would it be correct for government officials to deny him the right to open restaurants in their cities? Of course not. That would be against the law. Yet it seems any more in our society, that everyone's opinions is valid, unless those opinions which happen to be traditional Christian, in which case they must be punished and crushed. This is nothing more then religious persecution. What these Mayors are doing is blatantly illegal, yet being applauded by the same folks who wouldn’t stand for this kind of persecution of owners with non-Christian religious/spiritual/secular beliefs. Can’t have it both ways, bud.

dpnewell wrote:



Which is where this gets interesting (And a bit sticky)....

For the most part, these mayors are just giving their own opinion too... (ie, we don't want the businesses of homophobes in our city)... this would be a wash then, business owner can open their business, mayor can say we don't want it here. It's when the mayor tries to do something to actually stop the business that the ACLU then gets involved (damn those evil christian protectors! and the next damn time I hear someone bitch about the ACLU never trying to protect christian opinions...). Like I said earlier, I'd be hard pressed to say what's actually "right" here, let alone "legal". But I'd feel the same way about the issue if the aryan brotherhood tried opening a burger joint. Sooo... big win ChickFilA, on the same level as the skinheads.
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