frankj1
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13 years ago

Spoons and forks should be banned too,,,

They make fat people...

wheelrite wrote:


this isn't about restricting citizens from owning guns or not, it's about the NRA telling the gov't to spend money on training and placing military/police personnel in schools and if that is contrary to NRA members fear of a tyrannical gov't...kinda about that.

Did your son make it home?

Frank
frankj1
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13 years ago

I graduated in 2002 from a school in Washington State. We had an armed cop on duty at all times and it was uncanny how much crime he prevented. At that time, the Russians and hispanics hated each other and would often bring weapons to school. In the years that I was there, he was also instrumental in some major drug busts on the school's campus. Sure, a lot could have happened regardless of his presence, but his presence was instrumental in preventing a lot from going down and who knows what might have been.

As far as I know, this continues to be the practice in place. I am not sure when it started. We also wore identification tags that had to be visible at all time.

Brendan992 wrote:

I fear that in normal society.
I can appreciate that feeling of safety you enjoyed, but expanding that type of presence to public schools and then who knows where...is this a position the NRA would normally advocate for the government to provide? It sounds like life in "the old country" many of our grandparents fled.
Yes, I am pushing it out to the extreme, but I'm still amazed no one is killing the NRA!
Brendan992
13 years ago
frank,

In high school, I never thought about public safety and the lanyards were viewed as a huge nuisance. I actually had to pay the school district a fine because I lost my ID. Here's the thing though, any crazy person could easily make a fake lanyard and because it'd be visible, they'd be able to get in without much of a problem. You can't stop a crazy person whose hell bent on taking lives and losing their own.
stogiemonger
13 years ago
Here in the New Orleans area, many schools are staffed with on duty police officers. Many students are wanded or go through metal detectors every morning at the school, although the thinking here is to protect the students from each other, and to protect the school staff from the rough students.
frankj1
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13 years ago

frank,

In high school, I never thought about public safety and the lanyards were viewed as a huge nuisance. I actually had to pay the school district a fine because I lost my ID. Here's the thing though, any crazy person could easily make a fake lanyard and because it'd be visible, they'd be able to get in without much of a problem. You can't stop a crazy person whose hell bent on taking lives and losing their own.

Brendan992 wrote:


yeah, my kids had to wear them in high school too. there had been gang related violence, school intruders...but none of the security steps had to do with crazy random mass murderers. did help with the problems at the time.

perhaps sometimes the end justifies the means, but sometimes I am a purist/absolutist when it comes to the bigger picture.
Brewha
13 years ago
So if we want world peace, we should let Iran have nukes?
Brendan992
13 years ago

yeah, my kids had to wear them in high school too. there had been gang related violence, school intruders...but none of the security steps had to do with crazy random mass murderers. did help with the problems at the time.

perhaps sometimes the end justifies the means, but sometimes I am a purist/absolutist when it comes to the bigger picture.

frankj1 wrote:



I believe the school district that I belonged to issued in these rules, including having a police officer on duty, after the Columbine incident, which happened during my first year of high school. Sounds like other schools may have already been doing this pre-Columbine.

DadZilla3
13 years ago

So if we want world peace, we should let Iran have nukes?

Brewha wrote:


Sure, as long as they aren't allowed to own assault rifles.
Brewha
13 years ago

Sure, as long as they aren't allowed to own assault rifles.

DadZilla3 wrote:


Is that what a 'balance of power' is?
dpnewell
13 years ago

So if we want world peace, we should let Iran have nukes?

Brewha wrote:



Brewha, I really do like you dude, and I think for the most part you are extremely intelligent, but really? Only an off the wall liberal mind could come up such an illogical analogy.
DadZilla3
13 years ago

Is that what a 'balance of power' is?

Brewha wrote:


Nah, it's just a popular liberal talking point.
rfenst
13 years ago

Brewha, I really do like you dude, and I think for the most part you are extremely intelligent, but really? Only an off the wall liberal mind could come up such an illogical analogy.

dpnewell wrote:



It's not lacking of logic. You just don't like the conclusion/inference. Actually, you have to agree that the comment is pretty clever and actually funny (if you have a sense of humor like mine). It's got nothing to do with liberal v. conservative. Sometimes a joke is ... just a joke.

Merry Christmas to you and your family!
ZRX1200
13 years ago
I like Brewha too, I do think everybody has to take some things with a grain of salt because its typed here not spoken in person.

At least that's my story when nobody gets my sense of humor......

Merry X-Mas Brewha!
dpnewell
13 years ago

It's not lacking of logic. You just don't like the conclusion/inference. Actually, you have to agree that the comment is pretty clever and actually funny (if you have a sense of humor like mine). It's got nothing to do with liberal v. conservative. Sometimes a joke is ... just a joke.

Merry Christmas to you and your family!

rfenst wrote:



Robert, I was taking a tongue in check jab at his jab. Just like the jabs we take at each other in fun. Brewha is good for for a few laughs and I'd sure miss him if he where to leave. There's very few folk on this board that really get under my skin (and Victor is not one of them). Heck, I even think sharing a smoke with Uncle Rick would be fun.

Thanks for the Christmas wish, and may you and your family have a great Holiday season too.
borndead1
13 years ago

this isn't about restricting citizens from owning guns or not, it's about the NRA telling the gov't to spend money on training and placing military/police personnel in schools and if that is contrary to NRA members fear of a tyrannical gov't...kinda about that.

Did your son make it home?

Frank

frankj1 wrote:




It doesn't have to be Federal. Some school districts are already doing this since Newtown.
frankj1
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13 years ago

It doesn't have to be Federal. Some school districts are already doing this since Newtown.

borndead1 wrote:


some districts started many years ago. are you, as an avowed libertarian, totally at ease with it as long as it is not Federal level?

unless I did not hear correctly though, I thought the NRA called for the Federal gov to immediately fund , train, etc. That was the nature of my op, NRA urging on the gov, not really intended to be about gun rights, but this has turned out interesting anyway.
Brewha
13 years ago

Nah, it's just a popular liberal talking point.

DadZilla3 wrote:


Wrong!
I Googled it. 'Balance of Power' was a 1960's TV episode where the Romulans . . . . .

Ok, wait. Looks like that was 'Balance of Terror'.

So, maybe it is a liberal talking point . . . . . . .
cacman
13 years ago
Ironic that now more and more schools are beefing up security, considering adding/training armed personnel, and parents with Service credentials are volunteering to secure.

Wasn't that exactly what the NRA recommended instead of more gun regulations? Wasn't that exactly what everyone was freaking-out about and denouncing the NRA for while running out and buying bullet-proof backpacks?
DrafterX
13 years ago
it's cool to hate the NRA now.... 😟
Brewha
13 years ago

it's cool to hate the NRA now.... 😟

DrafterX wrote:


Because of Ted Nugent?
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