tailgater
13 years ago

^^^ glass jars are better

Here in Seattle, we recently passed a law that banned stores from giving out thin plastic grocery bags, and put a 5 cent tax on paper bags. I have always a refused bags when I didn't need them anyhow, but I thought this law was going to be a pain. Now that its been in place for a while, I don't mind it. When I remember, I bring my own bag, otherwise I pay 5 cents. Not a big deal to me. I see way more people bringing in their own bag now, even though its only 5 cents, and I think it's probably a good thing. I didn't look at your link to see the down side, but maybe I will when I get home.

kyman84 wrote:



Poof!
Now you're part of the problem.

Just because you are able to accommodate the government regulation, doesn't mean it's a worthy endeavor.

Plastic bags use LESS energy to recycle than does that "green" paper bag.
Single use plastic bags are more sanitary. Remember, we're often dealing with raw meat products at the market.
Or if you use the "Truly Green" alternative and bring your own grocery purse (reusable shopping bag), you may be putting your vegetables in the same sack that you brought home last weeks toilet cleaner and ant spray.


I don't begrudge anyone for using a reusable sack. But to willingly accept a liberal agenda because it's "no big deal" when the facts of the real impact are not even known is foolhardy at best.

wheelrite
13 years ago

Poof!
Now you're part of the problem.

Just because you are able to accommodate the government regulation, doesn't mean it's a worthy endeavor.

Plastic bags use LESS energy to recycle than does that "green" paper bag.
Single use plastic bags are more sanitary. Remember, we're often dealing with raw meat products at the market.
Or if you use the "Truly Green" alternative and bring your own grocery purse (reusable shopping bag), you may be putting your vegetables in the same sack that you brought home last weeks toilet cleaner and ant spray.


I don't begrudge anyone for using a reusable sack. But to willingly accept a liberal agenda because it's "no big deal" when the facts of the real impact are not even known is foolhardy at best.

tailgater wrote:



I always ask for Paper Bags at the grocery,,,

More stuff goes in one and they don't flop over in the car,,,
victor809
13 years ago
I don't see it as a "problem" or a particular issue... but it is interesting how this has unintended consequences.

I mean, 98.2% of all people are lazy. So the more municipalities push customers towards reusable bags (either through taxes or bans) the more people will use re-usable bags. These are people who would likely not think to wash them (I've never washed a reusable bag, and I've carried my deli food, which I eat directly without heating), which means we will increase the spread of any diseases or fungus associated with food-stuffs.

I've always personally preferred just using plastic bags and then recycling them as trash-bags. That makes them essentially a zero impact, since you don't buy the trash bags for use. But oh well...
tailgater
13 years ago

I don't see it as a "problem" or a particular issue... but it is interesting how this has unintended consequences.

I mean, 98.2% of all people are lazy. So the more municipalities push customers towards reusable bags (either through taxes or bans) the more people will use re-usable bags. These are people who would likely not think to wash them (I've never washed a reusable bag, and I've carried my deli food, which I eat directly without heating), which means we will increase the spread of any diseases or fungus associated with food-stuffs.

I've always personally preferred just using plastic bags and then recycling them as trash-bags. That makes them essentially a zero impact, since you don't buy the trash bags for use. But oh well...

victor809 wrote:



The "problem" I see is a government mandated ban.
Misinformation, lies and half-truths all too often have significant impact in the long term.

Back around 1989 there was a company called Plastics Again. They built a business model on recycling polystyrene waste from fast food joints. This included the foamed cups, foamed containers, lids, utensils, straws, virtually everything that wasn't a paper napkin or foiled ketchup packet.
They started putting special trash bins in the local McDonalds.
Then McDonalds corporate decided to cave in to the Green movement for PR reasons. I say for PR reasons, because even the CEO of McDonalds at the time went on recorded admitting it wasn't a decision based on environmental impact. Just PR.

If you're a share holder in McDonalds, that was a good thing.
If you understand capitalism, then you know in order to grow a business you need to make money. With McDonalds pulling out of the PS Recycling waste stream, those backing Plastics Again realized it was only a matter of time before other fast food joints did as well.
So it closed shop.

Life is full of what-ifs, but as a senior studying plastics engineering, this company had a great opportunity because their model eliminated the most difficult part of post consumer recycling: the sorting.
All the collected trash was a form of polystyrene. It simply needed to be cleaned and reprocessed.

This wasn't a failure of government intervention like the plastic bag bans. But it shows how public perception can shape policies, rather than letting the facts speak for themselves.

rant off
Buckwheat
13 years ago
Ban all bags. Carry your chit on your head like they did in the good old days. 🌫
carpenter69
13 years ago
I recycle my toilet paper and tissues. Which explains all the paper cuts on my face and ass.
JadeRose
13 years ago

I use my re-usable tote with a disposible plastic liner for sanitary purposes.



tailgater wrote:





You $hit in a bag?
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