Poll Question: Which direction should the GOP go?
TMCTLT
13 years ago

I suppose a bunch of middle-aged conservative men on Internet forums with a scant reading of anything beyond what the news stations say are better equipped than I. I look forward to the change you will bring by sitting around and agreeing with each other.

tegulator wrote:




Oh really?? And where was your young AZZ on 9/11 2011 for the original Tea Party Assembly in Wash. DC ??
How many gatherings have YOU been a part of in your State or city? I've been there.....
This 🌫 took the time off from my work and spent the money it took to be there, I was NOT one who sat my butt home and hoped I'd be counted as one who "felt" the same as those who were there!!! I DO NOT look forward to the change you are bringing (or think you are) with your cute poem like dribble.....#-o

I also took the time to contact my Rep. here in IN to ask him to table a vote on SB400 (indefinite detention of Americans bill) so that it can be voted on. As it looks like the States are gonna have to send a direct message to Wash. that this will NOT be tolerated.......You?
tegulator
13 years ago
^ Let the "measuring contest" continue.
Abrignac
13 years ago

Other - They should go straight to hell. Take the Dems with them too!

DrMaddVibe wrote:




Winner, winner, chicken dinner!
TMCTLT
13 years ago

^ Let the "measuring contest" continue.

tegulator wrote:




There's NO contest when all you have is Dribble........

measuring contest??? Ewww no thanks 🌫
bloody spaniard
13 years ago

^ Let the "measuring contest" continue.

tegulator wrote:




I'm not politically active anymore because I don't have the time, cash, nor interest but I find that what TMC does is commendable. At least he has the courage of his convictions. It beats platitudes & gesturing.

I also don't begrudge what you post, tegulator, but I don't think that an esoterically profound philosophical bent will move folks on here.
tegulator
13 years ago

There's NO contest when all you have is Dribble........

measuring contest??? Ewww no thanks 🌫

TMCTLT wrote:



Wait...you're the one who doesn't want to measure, but also insults mine as "dribble?" No fair! 😇
bloody spaniard
13 years ago
Dribble problems?
Two words: Flowmax
TMCTLT
13 years ago

Dribble problems?
Two words: Flowmax

bloody spaniard wrote:




LMFOGAO 🌫
bloody spaniard
13 years ago
^ YOU know what I'm talkin' about.😉
🌫

LOL!
TMCTLT
13 years ago



Apropos......only if you believe that Dribble, I'm not at all surprised this is the best you can put forth.....

A C&P from some left leaning columnist. I'm absolutely disgusted that BOTH parties would and will do all they can to insure that millions of Illegal immigrants can participate in OUR elections!!!!

P h u c k Amnesty.....
tegulator
13 years ago

Apropos......only if you believe that Dribble, I'm not at all surprised this is the best you can put forth.....

A C&P from some left leaning columnist. I'm absolutely disgusted that BOTH parties would and will do all they can to insure that millions of Illegal immigrants can participate in OUR elections!!!!

P h u c k Amnesty.....

TMCTLT wrote:



Gosh, you certainly know how to have a discussion...especially by refusing to admit that different viewpoints aren't valid at all. What a welcoming climate! But I can't say that without garnering cries of "boo-hoo!" from some of you, because you already have it all figured out. I wasn't putting forth those viewpoints as my own (which, again, you have incorrectly assumed), but you're kidding yourself if you think the Republican Party doesn't have a crisis of identity--hence the purpose for this thread in the first place. If you want to hide behind a "grassroots" movement with thinly-veiled racism, then go ahead. The Tea Party is the best thing the Democrats could have hoped for because it makes the Republicans look like a bunch of ignorant, violent, racists and makes the center more friendly to the Left by default. But go to your rallies and cry the old nativist cries...that's clearly worked in the past.
ZRX1200
13 years ago
" movement with thinly-veiled racism, then go ahead. The Tea Party is the best thing the Democrats could have hoped for because it makes the Republicans look like a bunch of ignorant, violent, racists"

Yeah..........ok.
tegulator
13 years ago

" movement with thinly-veiled racism, then go ahead. The Tea Party is the best thing the Democrats could have hoped for because it makes the Republicans look like a bunch of ignorant, violent, racists"

Yeah..........ok.

ZRX1200 wrote:



Take your pick...but I'm already wrong and/or you won't acknowledge the legitimacy of one or more of these...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/06/tea-party-election-results_n_2084506.html 

http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/18/opinion/zelizer-tea-party 

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2012/11/the_tea_party_lost_big_on_election_night_and_must_now_work_with_gop_to_bounce.html 

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2012/11/tea-partys-national-ambitions-are-finished/58790/ 
tegulator
13 years ago


Yay! Google is fun! 😁

borndead1 wrote:



It most certainly is, especially when statistically-verifiable data can be used to support one's assertions.

http://depts.washington.edu/uwiser/racepolitics.html 
tegulator
13 years ago
Especially important:

"Since the public has become aware of the data, several people have come forward to challenge our initial findings, specifically, that supporters of the Tea Party appear racially intolerant. A principal charge, one not without intellectual merit, is that the observed relationship between support for the Tea Party and racial resentment is more about the relatively conservative politics of Tea Partiers than racism. Indeed, conservatives tend to believe in a small government, one that doesn't do much to help people who, they believe, should make an effort to do for themselves. This is certainly a legitimate view; it's one to which many Americans have adhered from the beginning of the Republic. In short, some of our critics charge that, instead of the racism we observe associated with support for the Tea Party, we're merely observing Tea Partiers' conservatism at work. In other words, support for the Tea Party, they suggest, is simply a proxy for conservatism.

To address this issue, we turn to regression, a statistical technique that allows analysts to tease out how one variable affects another. This is important because it permits us to account for the presence of other variables that may also affect the outcome while isolating the impact of the effect of the variable of interest on the result. So, in this case, if support for the Tea Party is truly a proxy for conservatism, the relationship between racial resentment and support for the Tea Party should evaporate once we control for conservatism. Otherwise, there's something else going on with support for the Tea Party; it's not just conservatism. To make things a little easier, we combined all of the items (questions) that comprise racial resentment, making them into a scale.

As the figure shows, even as we account for conservatism and partisanship, support for the Tea Party remains a valid predictor of racial resentment. We're not saying that ideology isn't important, because it is: as people become more conservative, it increases by 23 percent the chance that they're racially resentful. Also, Democrats are 15 percent less likely than Republicans to be racially resentful. Even so, support for the Tea Party makes one 25 percent more likely to be racially resentful than those who don't support the Tea Party.

Similar results obtain for racial profiling and the ability for authorities to detain people without putting them on trial. Again, controlling for ideology (conservatism) and partisanship, support for the Tea Party increases the probability that individuals agree that it's okay to “racially profile someone on account of their race or religion” by approximately 27 percent. Support for the Tea Party also increases the probability, by 28 percent, that the authorities should have ability to detain individuals without being charged, for as long as authorities like. Of course, in both cases, conservatism also matters: increasing the likelihood that people will agree with racial profiling and indefinite detention by 30 and 33 percent, respectively."
borndead1
13 years ago

It most certainly is, especially when statistically-verifiable data can be used to support one's assertions.

http://depts.washington.edu/uwiser/racepolitics.html 

tegulator wrote:




So do you acknowledge the legitimacy of the links I posted?


How would you explain Black supremacists and "La Raza" type groups who vote Democrat? Are they the liberal version of the Tea Party, or can they not be considered liberal since they are socially conservative? Does the number of racists who vote Democrat cancel out the number of racists in the Tea Party?



P.S. Did your screen name used to be FuzzNJ?
pdxstogieman
13 years ago

A real conservative understands the government should mind it's collective business and stay out of religious, medical, abortion and marriage issues. This requires an "Other' answer.

Gene363 wrote:




My God, I think I agree with you. The trouble is there are no "real conservatives" in positions of power in the GOP. Nor will there ever be, because the religious right has forced any candidates to pass "christian" litmus tests before they'll ever get endorsed. I might add that a real conservative wouldn't be pushing to maintain a defense budget of $700B +.
ZRX1200
13 years ago
RACIST BASSTURDS!!!
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