ZRX1200
13 years ago
The fair tax takes some explaining to many Amerikans.

Flat tax is easier for rubes to comprehend.

Repeal 1913 .
victor809
13 years ago

Total BS.

A flat tax is a fair tax.


Why should anyone pay more than anyone else? We are all part of society. Everyone benefits from the things that taxes are supposed to pay for. Military. Roads. Police. Fire trucks and firemen. The health department. Law and order.

Only liberals believe garbage like that the rich should pay proportionally more of their income as tax simply because they have more.
J

calavera wrote:



Not necessarily true.
There are legitimate arguments that the rich use the things we levy taxes for more than the poor.
Police - Hell, they're there to keep the filthy poor from stealing the rich people's stuff (ok, I just threw that one in for fun)
Fire trucks - A rich person who owns a house is much more concerned with fire protection than a poor person with few valuables living in an apartment they don't own (and can just walk away from)
Roads - Rich probably drive more miles/day than the poor
Military - this goes back to asset protection, but from foreign powers.

SMGBobbyScott
13 years ago
The flat tax/fair tax argument is always a fun one...basically it comes down to math on the low end...and on one level BOTH ARE RIGHT. YES, a flat tax is FAIR because it taxes everyone evenly and therefore everyone is essentially pulling and equal load. The proponents would say that that is FAIR. ONE PROBLEM: To pay all the bills that percentage needs to be sufficiently high as to dig into the lower class and middle class pretty significantly and that starts impacting their standard of living much more than say your average billionaire. Once you start doing sliding scales, or other such mechanisms such as establishing a "poverty line" then you get into the whole "class warfare" issue and where do you draw the line, the issues go on and on and on.

I'd personally love to see the impact of at least a flatter tax and elimination of most of the existing levels. Plus, let's be honest, with a 16 trillion dollar deficit we need to significantly increase taxes to get rid of this debt so my children don't have to pay for this mess we've made! Shesh!
ZRX1200
13 years ago
Trust the thieves who looted you with more treasure to pay the fine?
SMGBobbyScott
13 years ago
LOL! We picked the thieves so it was a self inflicted wound...so to speak! Regardless, the bills got to be paid!
HockeyDad
13 years ago

Regardless, the bills got to be paid!

SMGBobbyScott wrote:




Not true.
SMGBobbyScott
13 years ago

Not true.

HockeyDad wrote:



Default?
Taps86
13 years ago

The flat tax/fair tax argument is always a fun one...basically it comes down to math on the low end...and on one level BOTH ARE RIGHT. YES, a flat tax is FAIR because it taxes everyone evenly and therefore everyone is essentially pulling and equal load. The proponents would say that that is FAIR. ONE PROBLEM: To pay all the bills that percentage needs to be sufficiently high as to dig into the lower class and middle class pretty significantly and that starts impacting their standard of living much more than say your average billionaire. Once you start doing sliding scales, or other such mechanisms such as establishing a "poverty line" then you get into the whole "class warfare" issue and where do you draw the line, the issues go on and on and on.

I'd personally love to see the impact of at least a flatter tax and elimination of most of the existing levels. Plus, let's be honest, with a 16 trillion dollar deficit we need to significantly increase taxes to get rid of this debt so my children don't have to pay for this mess we've made! Shesh!

SMGBobbyScott wrote:



Agreed. So can you start paying this deficit down.
DrMaddVibe
13 years ago

Default?

SMGBobbyScott wrote:




Keep on kickin' the can...
SMGBobbyScott
13 years ago

Keep on kickin' the can...

DrMaddVibe wrote:



ROFLMAO!!!!
rfenst
13 years ago
Philosophical economics 101.
HD said it all. Everything else is just a bunch of b.s.
Bitter Klinger
13 years ago
No Tax. Is that an option?

Giving politicians money is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenagers.

rfenst
13 years ago

No Tax. Is that an option?

Giving politicians money is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenagers.

Bitter Klinger wrote:



Yes. I it is an option, along with eventual total lack of infrastructure and some forms of anarchy.
rfenst
13 years ago

Default?

SMGBobbyScott wrote:



Forced inflation...
SMGBobbyScott
13 years ago

Forced inflation...

rfenst wrote:



That has been the strategy for the last 40 years...has only worked two of those years as far as I can tell and those were flukes.

Shall we "Let it ride" as they say?
rfenst
13 years ago

That has been the strategy for the last 40 years...has only worked two of those years as far as I can tell and those were flukes.

Shall we "Let it ride" as they say?

SMGBobbyScott wrote:



What do you mean and which years?

We certainly have "inflationary policy" at the very least now with Treasury pumping money into the economy by buying instruments (T Bills, etc.) and the Fed keeping bank rates so incredibly and historically so low.

Remember the 70's when inflation was out of control, and we had a freeze in retail food prices. That was deflationary policy.

Got a link for me to read some about this?
rfenst
13 years ago

can't believe you snuck that past this crew. I was told very politely recently that I was wrong that things are getting better. Maybe just where I live (MA). We are starting to booooom!

frankj1 wrote:



Geographical parts of the country are doing better than the country as a whole, but I believe we are slowly making progress as a whole. How much depends on which measure used.
Brewha
13 years ago

what about a national sales tax?
I'm looking to learn what I don't know pro and con.

frankj1 wrote:


If your mean in place of income tax, it would never work. The first job of income tax is to pay the interest we owe the private banking cartels, aka the Fed. Then there is the issue of people spending money abroad. This idea of a national sales tax just is not thought out.
Brewha
13 years ago

bullchit...

if ya live here you should pay something,,,

unless you are a quadruple amputee or something,,,

I pay too much,,,

and I don't have an Obama phone,,

wheelrite wrote:


I could get you a phone cover with an Obama logo, if it would make you feel better.
Brewha
13 years ago

Total BS.

A flat tax is a fair tax.


Why should anyone pay more than anyone else? We are all part of society. Everyone benefits from the things that taxes are supposed to pay for. Military. Roads. Police. Fire trucks and firemen. The health department. Law and order.

Only liberals believe garbage like that the rich should pay proportionally more of their income as tax simply because they have more.

I am a poor mutherf***er, but I do not begrudge any rich people a penny of their money. And I certainly don't believe that I am entitled to even a fraction of a penny of it. I am entitled to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Everything else is supposed to be earned.
J

calavera wrote:


Life is neither fair or balanced with respect to income. Besides that, the rich already shelter their income and weasel out with a lower effective percentage than the middle class folk.

People need to support their nation in proportion to their ability to. The grade school math of a flat tax may be appealing to some, but in practice it does not accomplish the goal.

I guess that in your assessment the current tax code is 'liberal garbage'?
Have you really given this some thought?

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