cacman
12 years ago
^^^ Delayed double-post?!?!?
What the hell are you smokin??
dstieger
12 years ago



Plus, some that that pot makes you forget things.

tailgater wrote:




Could be something to that. I've forgotten 1980, 81 & 82.
jackconrad
12 years ago
Why yes the Raiders are loaded at Quarterback...
edin508
12 years ago

Imagine if they decrimilized it. It would be taxed and most prisons would be emptied of the useless "war on drugs". Anyone not paying attention still believes the lies. The rest of us already know we're the biggest pusher. Control the source...control the product.

I don't have a problem with it at all. The hypocrisy from our government is laughable at best. There's a reason why it's here. Time to get with the program and think more with our better interests and pocketbooks in mind than propping up the only game in town.o:)

DrMaddVibe wrote:



Anything, one ounce or less, HAS been decriminalized here in MA as well. Still not legal though. Pay a $100 ticket and be on your way.
MACS
12 years ago
"Legalize it. Collect taxes on it. Put an age limit on it.
But don't play this charade and expect people to take it seriously." - tailgater

Agreed. The whole "medical marijuana" thing is just a way for people to smoke and possess it without getting arrested. BUT - in my personal opinion it is much less detrimental to society than alcohol.

I have smoked marijuana, and I've consumed alcohol. If it was legal, my preference would be to smoke marijuana, but since it is not... it is not worth it to me to lose my job.

I wrote a paper for school on the legalization of marijuana, tailgater, if you'd like to read it give me your e-mail.
rfenst
12 years ago

Some say that pot makes you forget things.

Massachusetts recently legalized pot for medicinal purposes.
I voted in favor of it.
Problem is, nobody wants the "distribution centers" in their backyard.



Personally, I think it's no big deal. But I find the arguments in favor of legalization to be weak.
Medical Marijuana is the new "hemp".
People who could otherwise care less about about medical cures are now somehow motivated to push for legislation. We saw this with the "hemp crops for clothing and food" campaign.

And how different is this "cure" from other medicines.
No other prescription that I can think of offers such a variety to choose from. You take oxycontin and you get what they give you. But you have cataracts? Then step right up and choose from Jamaican Red or Maui Wowy or Sinsimalian (sp?) or whatever newest variations are now available in the schools. I mean at the clinics.

Legalize it. Collect taxes on it. Put an age limit on it.
But don't play this charade and expect people to take it seriously.

The real discussion should be the safety aspect regarding driving etc.
Face it; people can have a drink or two without shooting for a buzz. The same isn't true for pot smokers (non medicinal). People light up a joint for one reason: to get high.
If the average drinker drank to inebriation every time they had a drink, they'd be labeled an alcoholic.

Plus, some that that pot makes you forget things.


tailgater wrote:



Sure, those who push for medical use for their own benefit to get high are subverting the purpose. So be it. Those of us who might benefit from it still deserve the lawful right to follow our doctors' recommendations to try it as we do with practically every other drug. We should not lose because others break the law. What they do is no different than going to their doctor and complaining of pain to lawfully obtain painkillers to get high on. That is more dangerous and detrimental to society than the mj is.

Your comments on Jamaican Red, Maui Wowy and the like show that you do not understand what marijuana is all about for both abusers and medical users. Do you really even know what they are from either an academic or personal experience perspective?

Medical mj is not subterfuge for many, many people. Personally, I would not be lighting a joint to get high, but to get the potential benefit of non-THC cannabinoids that can be helpful.

Being high and driving is nothing new. It is the same as driving while impaired by alcohol, narcotic pain killers, muscle relaxants and/or the like. Either you are safe to drive or you are not. We need to start complaining about that before complain about mj users who may drive under the influence- to not is hypocritical. Want to see me on the road after taking Soma or Dilaudid? I hope not.

People who use medical marijuana don't always smoke to get high. There is medical marijuana with virtually no THC, but which has other cannabinoids that are beneficial. Some strains have even been bread to increase beneficial cannabinoids, but laws prevent their sale/purchase and possession.

A good deal of the world has strong empiricle evidence of eficacy, but the U.S. ignores the fact and won't permit the research it would require to make an edjucated decision.

At least, please watch the referenced CNN expose befor ecoming back to this.
DrafterX
12 years ago
I read about a guy on here that once drank like 17 beers in a bar and drove home in his mini-van....... 😟
teedubbya
12 years ago

I read about a guy on here that once drank like 17 beers in a bar and drove home in his mini-van....... 😟

DrafterX wrote:




that bassard. prolly stole water at walmart the next day
wheelrite
12 years ago
I don't care if people smoke dope..

but it is a Gateway Drug..


wheel,
dkeage
12 years ago

Sure, those who push for medical use for their own benefit to get high are subverting the purpose. So be it. Those of us who might benefit from it still deserve the lawful right to follow our doctors' recommendations to try it as we do with practically every other drug. We should not lose because others break the law. What they do is no different than going to their doctor and complaining of pain to lawfully obtain painkillers to get high on. That is more dangerous and detrimental to society than the mj is.

Your comments on Jamaican Red, Maui Wowy and the like show that you do not understand what marijuana is all about for both abusers and medical users. Do you really even know what they are from either an academic or personal experience perspective?

Medical mj is not subterfuge for many, many people. Personally, I would not be lighting a joint to get high, but to get the potential benefit of non-THC cannabinoids that can be helpful.

Being high and driving is nothing new. It is the same as driving while impaired by alcohol, narcotic pain killers, muscle relaxants and/or the like. Either you are safe to drive or you are not. We need to start complaining about that before complain about mj users who may drive under the influence- to not is hypocritical. Want to see me on the road after taking Soma or Dilaudid? I hope not.

People who use medical marijuana don't always smoke to get high. There is medical marijuana with virtually no THC, but which has other cannabinoids that are beneficial. Some strains have even been bread to increase beneficial cannabinoids, but laws prevent their sale/purchase and possession.

A good deal of the world has strong empiricle evidence of eficacy, but the U.S. ignores the fact and won't permit the research it would require to make an edjucated decision.

At least, please watch the referenced CNN expose befor ecoming back to this.



Those who push for medical use for their own benefit are subverting the purpose. So be it. Those of us who might benefit from it still deserve the lawful right to follow our doctors' reccomendations to try it as we do with practically every other drug. We should not lose because others break the law.

Your coments on Jamaican Red, Maui Wowy and the like show that you do not understand what marijuana is all about for both abusers and medical users.

Medical mj is not subterfuge for many, many people. I would not be lighting a joint to get high, but to get the non-THC canaboids that can be helpful.

Being high and driving is nothing new. It is the same as driving while impaired by alcholo, narcotice pain killers, musclerelaxants and the like. Either you are safe to drive or you are not.

People who use medical marijuana don't always smoke to get high. There is medical marijuana with virtually no THC, but which has other canabinoids that are beneficial.

rfenst wrote:





Self C&P outrage!!


You OK man?
rfenst
12 years ago

Self C&P outrage!!


You OK man?

dkeage wrote:



Yeah man, how about you? Good chit, huh?
frankj1
12 years ago

Some say that pot makes you forget things.

Massachusetts recently legalized pot for medicinal purposes.
I voted in favor of it.
Problem is, nobody wants the "distribution centers" in their backyard.



Personally, I think it's no big deal. But I find the arguments in favor of legalization to be weak.
Medical Marijuana is the new "hemp".
People who could otherwise care less about about medical cures are now somehow motivated to push for legislation. We saw this with the "hemp crops for clothing and food" campaign.

And how different is this "cure" from other medicines.
No other prescription that I can think of offers such a variety to choose from. You take oxycontin and you get what they give you. But you have cataracts? Then step right up and choose from Jamaican Red or Maui Wowy or Sinsimalian (sp?) or whatever newest variations are now available in the schools. I mean at the clinics.

Legalize it. Collect taxes on it. Put an age limit on it.
But don't play this charade and expect people to take it seriously.

The real discussion should be the safety aspect regarding driving etc.
Face it; people can have a drink or two without shooting for a buzz. The same isn't true for pot smokers (non medicinal). People light up a joint for one reason: to get high.
If the average drinker drank to inebriation every time they had a drink, they'd be labeled an alcoholic.

Plus, some that that pot makes you forget things.

tailgater wrote:


I voted for it in MA too, but I really disliked the form that the proposal took. I'd have preferred a simple move to widen decriminalizatin without getting involved with the medical distribution...which will be a mess. I believe in medical mj but our law was not well formed.

I have known about medicinal mj from other states (CA & RI maybe) for a few years now widely available on the street here, people selling it for over $300 an ounce!

I have an aquaintance who has been smoking daily for decades who gleefully announced that he got "the diagnosis" for when a local dispensary opens. I am aware he has hepatitis so asked what else he has to cause severe pain. He said just the hepatitis! I was floored. So now does this mean I am paying for his nonstop smoke-ins or is this all on his insurance?
I don't give a crap if he smokes all day, really, but let him pay for it.


jackconrad
12 years ago
BOB
"Being high and driving is nothing new. It is the same as driving while impaired by alcohol, narcotic pain killers, muscle relaxants and/or the like. Either you are safe to drive or you are not. We need to start complaining about that before complain about mj users who may drive under the influence- to not is hypocritical. Want to see me on the road after taking Soma or Dilaudid? I hope not."

This was in no way close to the way it worked in my limted tries as a teen.

Pot was way more powerful and took 24 hours to wear off.

But i think medically refined use can be great for many. I had a brother IN Law who died from cancer . The pot gave him an appetite when he usually would not be able to eat, even though he eventually died he lived almost 3 years longer than predicted and at the time he had to go to another country to get it at great expense. Most medicines are posion if misused. But really the potential for abuse here is very high so refing it for medical use is the way to go..

IMHO
tailgater
12 years ago

Sure, those who push for medical use for their own benefit to get high are subverting the purpose. So be it. Those of us who might benefit from it still deserve the lawful right to follow our doctors' recommendations to try it as we do with practically every other drug. We should not lose because others break the law. What they do is no different than going to their doctor and complaining of pain to lawfully obtain painkillers to get high on. That is more dangerous and detrimental to society than the mj is.

Your comments on Jamaican Red, Maui Wowy and the like show that you do not understand what marijuana is all about for both abusers and medical users. Do you really even know what they are from either an academic or personal experience perspective?

Medical mj is not subterfuge for many, many people. Personally, I would not be lighting a joint to get high, but to get the potential benefit of non-THC cannabinoids that can be helpful.

Being high and driving is nothing new. It is the same as driving while impaired by alcohol, narcotic pain killers, muscle relaxants and/or the like. Either you are safe to drive or you are not. We need to start complaining about that before complain about mj users who may drive under the influence- to not is hypocritical. Want to see me on the road after taking Soma or Dilaudid? I hope not.

People who use medical marijuana don't always smoke to get high. There is medical marijuana with virtually no THC, but which has other cannabinoids that are beneficial. Some strains have even been bread to increase beneficial cannabinoids, but laws prevent their sale/purchase and possession.

A good deal of the world has strong empiricle evidence of eficacy, but the U.S. ignores the fact and won't permit the research it would require to make an edjucated decision.

At least, please watch the referenced CNN expose befor ecoming back to this.

rfenst wrote:



Are you just trying to prove my "forget things" comment?

I thought I was clear, but here it is again for those who already bogarted that roach.

Medicinal mj is a good thing. The benefits are real. Those who need it for themselves or loved ones are justified in their efforts to legalize it. But the vocal majority for medicinal mj use is just a bunch of stoners hiding behind medical terms.
My comments about the various "flavors" is just supporting evidence here. If mj were treated like a serious medication, it would be sold through pharmacies based on active ingredient level. Instead, it's sold in a parlor like atmosphere where the user chooses their "favorite" flavor. It's so absurd it almost doesn't seem real, more like a scene from a bad movie with Keano Reeves.
And my comment about smoking to get high: I did stipulate NON medicinal use. I was comparing it to alcohol, because this is too often the battlecry from Woody Harrelson and his hemp crew.

When real doctors wearing white smocks or a suit and tie replace the leftover burned out hippie as the spokes person for medicinal mj, maybe, just MAYBE people will take it seriously.

Meanwhile, nobody in my state wants these "parlors" in their neighborhood despite the voters passing the bill by more than 70%.



teedubbya
12 years ago
The gateway drug myth was pretty effectively debunked. The addiction price as well.


What I find odd is the timing. CNN does this on Sunday and holder announces his little drug dance on Monday. Coinkadink?
tailgater
12 years ago
Not a gateway drug?

How many people snort cocaine or shoot up heroin or tweet some glass without first smoking dope?

Smoking pot doesn't make you yearn for these other drugs, but it certainly provides a stepping stone for many. So it depends on how you define "gateway".

wheelrite
12 years ago
Ask the majority of junkies what illegal drug they tried first...

Weed tops the list...

sorry but true,,,
teedubbya
12 years ago
Dude watch the show. Not that it is a be all end all. It's not. But it was pretty well thought out and researched. It tried to get past the same ol recycled stuff like your post.

Seriously watch it. It was surprisingly good.
teedubbya
12 years ago
Milk would beat out weed.
tailgater
12 years ago


Being high and driving is nothing new. It is the same as driving while impaired by alcohol, narcotic pain killers, muscle relaxants and/or the like. Either you are safe to drive or you are not. We need to start complaining about that before complain about mj users who may drive under the influence- to not is hypocritical. Want to see me on the road after taking Soma or Dilaudid? I hope not.
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rfenst wrote:



I forgot to address this.
Driving high is very different from driving drunk.
But nobody says "Don't worry, I drive better when drunk".
And like I said before, I can go to a bar and have 2 beers with my lunch and drive home. I couldn't go there, get high, then drive home.
It's DIFFERENT. And we DO complain about drunk driving. Is that even a serious statement??



Besides.
Smoking pot makes you forget stuff.


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