DrMaddVibe
frankj1
8 years ago

Frank, I felt he called it straight up the middle. Fair and by the law. Even though Reagan picked him, it doesn't mean he was some staunch conservative.

I've heard nothing in the media since it broke except that he surprised a lot of people with his decisions.

I can only hope the bench gets another like him.

DrMaddVibe wrote:


we should all hope for another that is not obligated to a side.
Abrignac
8 years ago

you ARE good wif numbahs Frank...only four months until the mid-term elections, which would give the people a chance to elect a different set of Senators...GOP decided to withhold debate about Obama's choice for 8 months, until after the Presidential elections, and when Trump won the election, McConnell's majority Senate postponed the process until he took office...

funny (smell) how McConnell thought that was an appropriate length of time then, but not now...

and now, the precedent for a bare majority to approve a nominee has been set...

as for Kennedy, he was conservative at his core, but sided on several social issues with Dems, revealing an independent libertarian streak...you can bet that whomever is nominated will be vetted thoroughly to ensure a similar independent streak is absent...

delta1 wrote:



This is what happens when one reads sound bites instead of everything. McConnell said that in reference to the Presidential election, not mid-terms. Said and meant in a different context.

BTW, thank Harry Really Reid for dumping the super majority for federal judgeships.
delta1
8 years ago

This is what happens when one reads sound bites instead of everything. McConnell said that in reference to the Presidential election, not mid-terms. Said and meant in a different context.

BTW, thank Harry Really Reid for dumping the super majority for federal judgeships.

Abrignac wrote:



... you really think he would've accepted Obama's nominee if it was just 4 months before a mid-year election? Where 33 Senatorial seats are up for grabs?


...it doesn't really matter...our differences of opinion about who started what and who said what or who did what first doesn't amount to a hill of beans, except to push us apart...I don't think this is worth doing that...

But we will both rue the day when a bare majority of Senators is enough to appoint a US Supreme Court Justice...60 votes forced thoughtful consideration of the qualifications to serve and can help prevent an extreme nominee, left or right, from being appointed...the SCOTUS deserves to be a sane place without the super-partisanship games being played by the other two branches of government.
ZRX1200
8 years ago
Yet we get the un-qualified extremist Sotomyer.
rfenst
8 years ago

Yet we get the un-qualified extremist Sotomyer.

ZRX1200 wrote:




Why, exactly, do you think she was unqualified?
ZRX1200
8 years ago
Oh I forgot, wrong side I can't say that.
rfenst
8 years ago

Oh I forgot, wrong side I can't say that.

ZRX1200 wrote:



Nice deflection.
She is no less qualified than anyone else who has served on the Court.
teedubbya
8 years ago
Rfenst because it’s not possible to have another view or philosophy that is different than my own yet valid. Those other people are unqualified extremists. I’m the norm. They are the enemy.

The two main schools of thought on the constitution are interesting to me and not unlike the similar schools of thought on the Bible and other such texts. The need to vilify opposing views actually show s mental weakness and fear of that you don’t understand. Beat the other side with logic and knowledge.

I’m no fan of hers but she is definitely qualified and not extreme. In a battle of logic and knowledge my guess is she would bury most of her critics.
teedubbya
8 years ago

Rfenst because it’s not possible to have another view or philosophy that is different than my own yet valid. Those other people are unqualified extremists. I’m the norm. They are the enemy.

The two main schools of thought on the constitution are interesting to me and not unlike the similar schools of thought on the Bible and other such texts. The need to vilify opposing views actually show s mental weakness and fear of that you don’t understand. Beat the other side with logic and knowledge.

I’m no fan of hers but she is definitely qualified and not extreme. In a battle of logic and knowledge my guess is she would bury most of her critics.

teedubbya wrote:




Actually that’s not fair but I won’t edit it. It shows mental weakness in some not all. Some are not mentally weak and use their intelligence to manipulate those they recognize as being so.
DrafterX
8 years ago
Poor CROS... 😞
teedubbya
8 years ago
DrafterX
8 years ago
Mrs. dpnewell
8 years ago

... you really think he would've accepted Obama's nominee if it was just 4 months before a mid-year election? Where 33 Senatorial seats are up for grabs?


...it doesn't really matter...our differences of opinion about who started what and who said what or who did what first doesn't amount to a hill of beans, except to push us apart...I don't think this is worth doing that...

But we will both rue the day when a bare majority of Senators is enough to appoint a US Supreme Court Justice...60 votes forced thoughtful consideration of the qualifications to serve and can help prevent an extreme nominee, left or right, from being appointed...the SCOTUS deserves to be a sane place without the super-partisanship games being played by the other two branches of government.

delta1 wrote:



Short memory. Kagan was confirmed by the Senate on August 7, 2010, just 3 months before a midterm election where Democrats lost dozens of seats.

David
delta1
8 years ago
She was nominated in April of that year, coincidentally 8 months before the elections. Difference was that Dems had a 58 member majority then...

I personally believe that it should not matter on the calendar when a vacancy on the SCOTUS arises, and which party occupies the WH or has a majority in the Senate...the President shall nominate, ASAP... and the Senate shall advise and consent ASAP...


Hey, I get that McConnell will say and do anything as long as he is in a position of power...heck he was even able to box in the Dems while he was the Senate MINORITY Leader while Obama was in office...the man is ruthless, wicked smart, and, arguably, without principle...he is a master manipulator of Senate process, and will go down in history as one of the greatest Senators ever...the one glaring weakness, though, is lack of legislative accomplishment...
Mrs. dpnewell
8 years ago
^Jamie, I read the article. I don't know what to comment on first. The outright lies this propagandist states in his article, the fact that the delusional fool thinks his scheme can be accomplished as early as 2021 (bless his heart), or that his scheme if implemented, won't start a 2nd Civil War.

David
Mrs. dpnewell
8 years ago
^^^#55

Al, we probably don't agree on much, but I can't find fault with any point you've made in this post.

With that said, I'd like to revisit a statement of yours. You stated in a previous post "Where 33 Senatorial seats are up for grabs?" Strange that I'm now seeing this same statement echoed on media discussion boards, as if this is some special, unique election. There are 100 Senate seats, and approximately 1/3 come up for election every 2 years. That means that for some time now, EVERY mid-term election has had approximately 33 Senate seats up for grabs. So this mid-term election is no different then any other. Democrats need to defend 22 seats this year, while the Republicans only have to defend 8. According to the law of averages, Republicans should gain seats. So why is this even a talking point?

David
ZRX1200
8 years ago
Red meat for the base.
delta1
8 years ago
Dave, we prolly agree on much more than we'll ever know, unless we can someday get together and herf. I've found MACS, Abrignac and Drafter to be good dudes, despite our knocking heads over politics here. I believe that true friendship is not defined by politics...especially not if all we see of one another are words about political views.


Pointing to the number of Senatorial seats up for grabs is a way to illustrate that all national elections are important. There is a likelihood that some of those seats will swing...in whose favor? McConnell is bright, but even he couldn't foretell Trump's election.

It is up to the people who vote, as McConnell argued then. It was wrong, imho, for McConnell to set a precedent then, eight months before, claiming he wanted the people to weigh in first. Now, he can't wait four months?..not rational...

McConnell made the case for restricting Obama's choice from being discussed, because he wanted the people to be involved by voting for the next President. Why does this rationale not apply to the election of the Senate, the ones who actually decide who is confirmed to the SC?

I think he just wanted to stick it to Obama, as he opposed nearly every one of his nominees that needed confirmation, especially He and Obama had stink eyes with one another from the very beginning, when McConnell announced he was going to "do all I can to make Obama a one term President."

I believe that the President should decide ASAP, without regard to the issue of election year, less than a few weeks now that pre-vetting takes place and consultation can be done without lengthy travel, to make a nominee. The Senate should advise and consent ASAP...not sure how long, but there needs to be established norms. Then we should move the number of votes needed to confirm back up from a bare majority, to something more likely to create actual debate and a moderating process...maybe 60 was too high? I dunno..57? 55? This will accomplish one of our democratic ideals of "majority rules with minority rights."

It seems that SCOTUS has become politicized, unfortunately, but that is the nature of the system imagined and implemented centuries ago. It seems that people are hoping that a Justice outlive a President's term... that a justice times his exit when the President is in his party...cuts both ways...
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