I'm going to disagree with the BOTL's here that say Alec gets off.

I say he does time.

It was a single action pistol. That means you have to c0ck back the hammer to engage the trigger mechanism to release the hammer. Your finger HAS to be on that trigger. No IF'S, AND's or BUT's. You have to want to shoot the gun for it to fire. It's one of the safest guns on the planet and it was a gun that helped tame the West. I don't want to hear that "Someone else loaded it" excuse. It starts and stops with the person behind the gun. The 1st thing you're taught is NEVER point a gun at somebody. EVER. Unless you want to kill them. Our US military teaches a soldier to aim for center mass, or as Mel Gibson taught his sons in the movie "The Patriot"...Aim small, miss small. No head, arms or legs. You're aiming under the neck and above the waist. What Alec did was violate Rule #1 of Gun owner safety.

For those that don't know about how a single action behaves, watch this:

Then there's the absence of guilt of what he did. The 60 Minutes Interview shows nothing but guilt on his part. Top that with the anti-gun dimwits and the gun grabbers this nation has. This shows anyone that even Hollywood actors, not some gang, not some thug, not some criminal can use a gun to kill. He's doing time.

Agree^. Also agree he should do some time. He pulled the hammer back and squeezed the trigger with people down rage. Clearly it was pointing directly at someone. Even if it was a blank ????? They had to be near point blank for harm to come. Just a stupid situation in general

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Maybe it was an assault pistol. Those things kill all the time. It’s time we put the blame where it lies and sue the pistol and it’s manufacturer.

Time will tell. He’ll spend millions on a dream team of lawyers. They, like O.J.’s lawyers, will to create a cloudy pall that covers everything. They only need to convince one juror that poor Alec wasn’t to blame. It only takes one juror to come to the conclusion that he is NOT guilty beyond a reasonable doubt to acquit.

but doesn't being the director, or whatever his title besides actor, make him responsible no matter who pulled the trigger..?? 🤔

“Maybe he doesn’t identify as “Responsible”. I think is how it works.

Not really. What you refer to is that of a principle to a crime which is separate and distinct from the actual perpetrator of the crime. In order to be guilty of such, he would have had to have participated in some way to create a dangerous situation, and not been the person who actually pulled the trigger. If all the safe guards were in place and followed this would be a non-issue in a criminal trial. Again, the defense would create a smokescreen to obfuscate blame.

An accessory wouldn’t fit either as that refers to actions taken after the crime by someone other than the perp.

Optics for him look real chitty. But, if he has any sense at all he’ll hire a team of the best defense lawyers money can buy. If the judge allows, think that buffon Ito, they will make the water so murky one wouldn’t be able to see clearly more than a half inch below the surface. If that happens he walks.

On the other hand, if the judge keeps a tight reign on both the defense and the prosecution then he will likely be convicted unless the defense gets a star struck juror or two on the panel who will vote not-guilty regardless of the facts.

Regardless of the criminal charges, he is going to get his clock cleaned in the civil case...

Without a doubt.

And rightfully so, unfortunately it won’t bring the victim back.

Nope.

It wasn't black.

There wasn't a 15 or 30 round clip.

It isn't even semi-automatic.

I'm thinking we should sue the educational system and books.

Wait...what?





Alec Baldwin will not be charged with shooting the director of Rust, Joel Souza, according to reports.

The actor, 64, was recently charged with involuntary manslaughter over the death of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins, who died on set of the movie in October 2021.

However, it has been reported that the American star will not be charged with the shooting of Souza, although he was hit by the same bullet that killed Hutchins.

According to TMZ, the reason for this is there is reportedly “no crime” as far as the shooting of Souza is concerned.

The outlet has said according to information obtained from the Santa Fe District Attorney’s Office, the only way to characterise the shooting of Souza is an “unintentional battery,” and no such thing exists.

The publication claims that the D.A. added that Baldwin had no intention to hurt anyone.

Last week, it was announced that both Baldwin and the film’s armourer Hannah Gutierrez-Reed will be charged with involuntary manslaughter over the death of Ms Hutchins on the film’s Santa Fe set.

In a statement, District Attorney Mary Carmack-Altwies said: “After a thorough review of the evidence and the laws of the state of New Mexico, I have determined that there is sufficient evidence to file criminal charges against Alec Baldwin and other members of the Rust film crew.

“On my watch, no one is above the law, and everyone deserves justice.”

It comes less than three months after the District Attorney’s office received the final report from the police into the incident which led to the death of Ms Hutchins after a prop gun held by Baldwin was discharged.

Assistant director David Halls has signed a plea agreement for the charge of negligent use of a deadly weapon.

Baldwin and Gutierrez-Reed will be “charged in the alternative” with the two counts of manslaughter, meaning that a jury would decide not simply if they were guilty, but under which definition of involuntary manslaughter they were guilty, the DA’s office said.

The first charge can be referred to as involuntary manslaughter and requires proof of underlying negligence.

This charge also includes the misdemeanour charge of negligent use of a firearm, which would likely merge as a matter of law.

The second charge is involuntary manslaughter in the commission of a lawful act, which requires proof that there was more than simple negligence involved in a death.

Under New Mexico law, both charges are a fourth-degree felony and are punishable by up to 18 months in jail and a 5,000 dollar (£4,000) fine.

The second charge includes a firearm enhancement, or added mandatory penalty, which makes the crime punishable by a mandatory five years in jail. Baldwin’s lawyer, Luke Nikas said the DA’s decision to bring charges against his client “distorts” Halyna Hutchins’ tragic death and “represents a terrible miscarriage of justice”.

“Mr Baldwin had no reason to believe there was a live bullet in the gun – or anywhere on the movie set”, he added.

“He relied on the professionals with whom he worked, who assured him the gun did not have live rounds. We will fight these charges, and we will win.” In a statement, Gutierrez-Reed’s attorneys asserted her innocence in the fatal shooting.

“Hannah is, and has always been, very emotional and sad about this tragic accident,” the statement said. “But she did not commit involuntary manslaughter”.

They added: “These charges are the result of a very flawed investigation, and an inaccurate understanding of the full facts.

“We intend to bring the full truth to light and believe Hannah will be exonerated of wrongdoing by a jury.”

https://news.yahoo.com/alec-baldwin-not-charged-shooting-143005774.html 

We know dead men tell no tales...but this time we have a wounded one. So we can use bodies as silencers now?

Charges dropped.

They're just kiddin... 😟

Dismissed without prejudice, which means they can refile them once their analysis is complete.



https://www.kob.com/new-mexico/alec-baldwins-charges-dropped-without-prejudice-in-rust-case/ 

My understanding is that there is some contention that the firearm was modified in some way, and the testing will take too long for the hearing deadline. So, they dismiss the complaintg and if they find good info, they refile the charges. If not, they don't.

Next you will want to burn the books.

Not gonna happen...

He paid the "RIGht pEEpS" several hundred thousand in increments of $100- 250k per bribe...it almost reached a million in cash total...

Somebody's getting greedy and thinks he's a cash cow trying to renig on their already paid bribery agreements...

That ain't riiigggghhhtttt!!!

Now I know the ignorant won't get this because they believe NOBODY should own a gun, but what's the 1st rule they teach in any gun safety class?





A New Mexico judge has ordered that the producers of the western film Rust hand over documents that counsel fears could be used for further charges against Alec Baldwin, siding with prosecutors who say the film company obstructed the investigation of the 2021 death of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins.

In a hearing this Friday, Rust Movie Productions challenged a subpoena demanding documents related to the production, including the contract of Baldwin himself, according to the L.A. Times.

“The state has made it very clear in its statements that it’s still considering bringing charges against Alec Baldwin,” attorney Abigail R. Wolberg, representing the company, said. “I see these subpoenas as nothing more than continuing down that path.”

In response, special prosecutor Kari T. Morrissey alleged that the producers obstructed the state’s investigation into Baldwin’s fatal on-set shooting.

“Rust Productions has either intervened, interfered or obstructed the criminal investigation in this case,” said special prosecutor Kari T. Morrissey. “This entire tragedy occurred because Rust Productions cut corners every chance they could and they hired inexperienced and ill-equipped crew members.”

The latest allegation against the filmmakers was made during the ongoing case against Rust armorer Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, the film crew member responsible for the safety and maintenance of the firearms used during filming, Deadline reported.

Prosecutors have not yet moved to charge Baldwin or any of the producers based on this allegation of obstruction, but nothing has been ruled out.

This week’s hearing was part of the process for prosecutors to gain access to records that could clarify Baldwin’s role as a producer on the film. Prosecutors are seeking to find out exactly what Baldwin knew of how the film’s budget and crew were being handled. The discovery is meant to inform the state’s suspicion that the producers cut corners and created an unsafe atmosphere.

A central issue is the claim by Gutierrez-Reed that the film’s producers denied her request to spend several more days to train Baldwin on how to handle the .45 Colt pistol that he was using in his on-screen role.

According to the L.A. Times, the documents would illuminate Baldwin’s actions during the time before the shooting took place, which affect the state’s case against Gutierrez-Reed:

“How Alec Baldwin was paid, how much money was spent on set, how much money went into [the film] … doesn’t assist in investigating the defendant’s allegations that she, as a contractor, was requested to do certain things,” Wolberg said.
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Gutierrez Reed was struggling to fill two jobs on the production — armorer and props assistant. Emails have shown that Gutierrez Reed was scolded for not paying enough attention to her role helping with non-gun-related props.

Morrissey said producers had a financial incentive to reduce the amount of time that Gutierrez Reed spent on her armorer duties because she was paid a higher rate for that time. She was paid a lower hourly rate for the time spent dealing with other props.

“We have a situation where Rust Production is doing everything it can to keep costs low so that it can keep profits high,” Morrissey said, adding that because he was one of the films producers, “Mr. Baldwin himself benefits financially from keeping production costs low.”

Morrissey also alleged that officials on the film also rushed to speak to likely witnesses before investigators were able to get to them.

“Beginning on Oct. 21, 2021, Rust Productions had a lawyer on the scene within 30 to 60 minutes after this fatal shooting, who was running around and talking to witnesses before the police could speak to those witnesses,” Morrissey said during the proceedings.

“Since then, we have issued numerous subpoenas to Rust Productions and they have either … not responded or responded very, very slowly,” she added.

Manslaughter charges against Baldwin were dropped in April, with the case ended “without prejudice.” But prosecutors also warned at the time that the case was “active and on-going” and more charges could come as prosecutors learn more about the incident.

Hutchins was killed in Oct. of 2021 while blocking out a scene they were preparing to film. She was struck in the chest with a single bullet fired from a pistol being used as a prop by Alec Baldwin. It was later discovered that a real cartridge had been loaded into the gun before it was given to Baldwin to use on the set.

Baldwin was reportedly practicing firing directly at the camera when he cocked the hammer and pulled the trigger.

Baldwin has repeatedly denied pulling the trigger of the pistol, but the gun being used is a single-action firearm that cannot be fired unless the hammer is pulled back and the trigger pulled. The Glengarry Glen Ross star did, however, admit he cocked the hammer back.

https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2023/10/08/judge-orders-rust-producers-to-hand-over-documents-that-company-fears-may-be-used-to-prosecute-alec-baldwin/ 


Oh yeah, I remember now!

TREAT EVERY FIREARM LIKE IT'S LOADED.

Alec Baldwin Indicted By Grand Jury In 'Rust' Shooting


Actor Alec Baldwin was indicted by a New Mexico grand jury over the 2021 death of “Rust” cinematographer Halyna Hutchins after a prop gun fired a live round and struck her, according to court documents.


According to several media outlets, the move to indict Mr. Baldwin was confirmed Friday after the grand jury heard evidence presented by special prosecutors. He was charged with involuntary manslaughter.

Specifically, he was charged with involuntary manslaughter—negligent use of a firearm—or, in the alternative, involuntary manslaughter—without due caution or circumspection—reported ABC News. Both are fourth-degree felonies.

His lawyers suggested to several news outlets Friday that they would fight the charge. “We look forward to our day in court,” Baldwin lawyers Alex Spiro and Luke Nikas said in a statement.

The “30 Rock” actor’s initial involuntary manslaughter charges were dropped in April 2023. At the time, prosecutors said they could be brought again, however.

“Rust” armorer Hannah Gutierrez was charged with two counts of involuntary manslaughter as well. She faces an additional charge of evidence tampering.

The special prosecutors, Kari Morrissey and Jason Lewis sent the gun for more forensic testing several months ago. Experts who evaluated the firearm found that it could have only fired if the trigger was pulled.

“This fatal incident was the consequence of the hammer being manually retracted to its fully rearward and cocked position followed, at some point, by the pull or rearward depression of the trigger,” their report concluded. “Although Alec Baldwin repeatedly denies pulling the trigger, given the tests, findings and observations reported here, the trigger had to be pulled or depressed sufficiently to release the fully cocked or retracted hammer of the evidence revolver.”


While the proceeding is shrouded in secrecy, two of the witnesses seen at the courthouse included crew members—one who was present when the fatal shot was fired and another who had walked off the set the day before due to safety concerns.

Mr. Baldwin, the lead actor and a co-producer on the Western movie, was pointing a gun at Ms. Hutchins during a rehearsal on a movie set outside Santa Fe in October 2021 when the gun went off, killing her and wounding director Joel Souza. But Mr. Baldwin has said he pulled back the hammer but not the trigger, and the gun fired.

An earlier FBI report on the agency’s analysis of the gun found that, as is common with firearms of that design, it could go off without pulling the trigger if force was applied to an uncocked hammer, such as by dropping the weapon.

The only way the testers could get it to fire was by striking the gun with a mallet while the hammer was down and resting on the cartridge or by pulling the trigger while it was fully cocked. The gun eventually broke during testing.

The 2021 shooting resulted in a series of civil lawsuits, including wrongful death claims filed by members of Hutchins’ family, centered on accusations that the defendants were lax with safety standards. Mr. Baldwin and other defendants have disputed those allegations.

Ms. Hutchins’ widower, Matthew Hutchins, also filed a lawsuit after the incident, reaching a settlement in 2022. It allowed for insurance funds and a portion of “Rust’s” profits to help the couple’s child.

When the settlement was reached, Mr. Hutchins said he didn’t assign blame to Mr. Baldwin.


“I have no interest in engaging in recriminations or attribution of blame (to the producers or Mr. Baldwin),” he said at the time, according to reports. “All of us believe Halyna’s death was a terrible accident. I am grateful that the producers and the entertainment community have come together to pay tribute to Halyna’s final work.”

The Rust Movie Productions company has paid a $100,000 fine to state workplace safety regulators after a scathing narrative of failures in violation of standard industry protocols, including testimony that production managers took limited or no action to address two misfires on set before the fatal shooting.

The filming of “Rust” resumed last year in Montana under an agreement with the cinematographer’s widower, Matthew Hutchins, that made him an executive producer.

The movie’s assistant director, David Halls, was named as the individual who gave the firearm to Mr. Baldwin on the day of the shooting. Last year, he signed a plea deal for the “charge of negligent use of a deadly weapon” and received six months’ probation, according to prosecutors.


https://www.zerohedge.com/political/alec-baldwin-indicted-grand-jury-rust-shooting