HockeyDad
2 years ago

And the battle for the rights of the homophobic wages on…..

Brewha wrote:



Look…up in the sky….it’s a virtue signal!
RayR
2 years ago

Children not being allowed at topless bars is a violation of the strippers’ first amendment rights.

HockeyDad wrote:



I agree, children should have the legal right to see strippers and to experience their sexual gyrations humping poles and stuff.
rfenst
2 years ago

I agree, children should have the legal right to see strippers and to experience their sexual gyrations humping poles and stuff.

RayR wrote:


Is that what you see at the drag shows you attend?
RayR
2 years ago

Is that what you see at the drag shows you attend?

rfenst wrote:



I'm going to start calling you STRAWMAN ROBERT.
rfenst
2 years ago

I'm going to start calling you STRAWMAN ROBERT.

RayR wrote:


That isn't a strawman argument.
It's an "implied/loaded question."
Like: Do you still beat your wife?
RayR
2 years ago

I think you need either a class in logic about fallacies or look up the definition of what a strawman argument actually is. Implying or inquiring your facts is not a strawman.

rfenst wrote:



Com'on Robert, we know when you are building a straw man. Implying I attend drag shows? Really?

"A straw man argument, sometimes called a straw person argument or spelled strawman argument, is the logical fallacy of distorting an opposing position into an extreme version of itself and then arguing against that extreme version. In creating a straw man argument, the arguer strips the opposing point of view of any nuance and often misrepresents it in a negative light."

How does these grab you? I've heard you can't groom them too early. First comes Drag Queen story hour, then comes LGBTQ..LMNOP porn books that you were mad about DiSantis taking out of school libraries that you said was like BOOK BURNING. 🔥.

How do you like the first article where they billed it euphemistically as a: "inclusive family celebration"? I've heard that "if thought corrupts language, language can also corrupt thought."

My kid’s day care invited a drag queen to entertain on family day — is this appropriate?

By Eleanor Katelaris, Kidspot
Published Nov. 18, 2023, 5:06 p.m. ET

In the Eastern Suburbs Moms Facebook group, a first-time mom’s question recently stirred the pot of parenting perspectives.

Her child’s day care is planning to bring in a drag queen as part of an ‘inclusive family celebration’– but she notes that Mother’s Day and Father’s Day aren’t celebrated at all.

She’s now grappling with her thoughts about this, wondering if she’s being “too conservative” for thinking it could be “inappropriate.”
“Am I out of touch?”

“Hi Moms, what would you think of a drag queen being brought in as guest entertainment at your child’s day care during childcare hours?” she begins the post.

“The context is an inclusive family celebration theme – Mother’s Day and Father’s Day are not otherwise celebrated,” she continued.

More...

https://nypost.com/2023/11/18/lifestyle/my-kids-day-care-invited-a-drag-queen-to-entertain-on-family-day-is-this-appropriate/ 



Oklahoma district that hired drag queen to be elementary school principal faces backlash: 'Unimaginable'


'This is the liberal insanity every parent wants out of the classroom,' Oklahoma's education superintendent said

By Hannah Grossman Fox News
Published September 7, 2023 6:00pm EDT

EXCLUSIVE – The superintendent of the State of Oklahoma, Ryan Walters, called for Western Heights School District to "immediately" terminate a drag queen they hired to be an elementary school principal.

"It's outrageous to have a drag queen running a school, you know, here in Oklahoma that doesn't line up with Oklahoma values," Walters told Fox News Digital. "I hear from parents every day that are concerned with this woke left-wing indoctrination or schools, this gender theory that continues to be thrust upon our kids. It's completely inappropriate."

The principal of John Glenn Elementary School, Shane Murnan, is a drag queen who goes by the name "Shantel Mandalay," Fox News Digital can confirm. Murnan maintained a separate Facebook page from another called "Shantel Mandalay." According to the page, Murnan was employed as a drag queen at a venue called "The Boom."

"This individual is not fit to lead a school district," Walters said. "It has to stop."

Dressed as a drag queen, Murnan has read books to children to celebrate Pride for the Metropolitan Library System.

Walters added that the gender ideology integration in K-12 education is part of a larger Marxist agenda from the left.

More...

https://www.foxnews.com/media/oklahoma-official-unimaginable-elementary-school-hired-principal-secret-drag-queen-life 





















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rfenst
2 years ago
State leaders muzzle Floridians who want to speak out


Orlando Sentinel Editorial Board

Floridians, take notice. Your right to a representative government is being stolen away.

Recent headlines document angry eruptions among an audience of people who show up to meetings ready to tell their leaders what they think — only to be muzzled by time limits that shut down some would-be participants before they could utter a single word.

More often, however, the exclusion is happening quietly and secretly, in meetings that never take place. Closed doors that should be open. A row of empty seats on a dais, facing a roomful of chairs that are also empty.

The result, however, is the same: The only people who can register their concerns face-to-face with their elected officials are the elites who can afford the private clubs and campaign contributions that give them direct access to power. The voices of regular Floridians are shut out or told to shut up.Let us speak’

That latter command stirred an outcry November 9-10 when the Board of Governors of Florida’s state university system convened in Orlando. As the Sentinel’s Annie Martin reported, a crowd primed to protest rules that threaten free-expression rights on Florida campuses overspilled the boundaries of the meeting room and a designated overflow room.

In a cruelly related dictate, Board Chairman Brian Lamb denied them the right to speak in favor of free speech, diversity and inclusion — by imposing a 15-minute time limit on all public comment. When he gaveled the discussion to a close, the crowd chanted “Let us speak.” But a majority of board members were unwilling to listen.

Lamb said the limitation was “customary,” Martin reported. That’s categorically false. Across Florida, elected and appointed boards and commissions have taken it as a point of pride: When their constituents show up to a public meeting, they deserve the opportunity to be heard. It’s even enshrined in the state constitution.

A brutal quiet
Even worse, however, are those meetings that never take place. The public is not just shut out of a chance to talk about what their elected officials are doing — they are denied the chance to listen.

That was also on display — or rather, not — over the past week, which was one of the last scheduled committee weeks before the state Legislature starts its regular session in January.

‘These committee meetings are essential parts of Florida’s legislative process, because they are the public’s only opportunity to directly address lawmakers on issues that are important to everyday Floridians. Of 35 House committees, 16 canceled their meetings last week; the ratio was even worse in the Senate, where 17 of 26 committees did not meet. Among them: All 10 of the committees Sen. Linda Stewart, D-Orlando, serves on, including Banking and Insurance; Governmental Oversight and Accountability; and Appropriations. Stewart said she didn’t even bother to return to Tallahassee after the November 6-10 special session.

The cost of those cancellations could be devastating for Floridians who hoped to ask lawmakers for statutory changes governing everything from homeowners’ associations to prison conditions — or to register their opposition to policies that take away essential freedoms or reduce oversight. Because legislation must be heard in at least one committee before it goes to the floor, shutting down committee meetings means narrowing the pipeline that allows that information to flow. It also means an increased likelihood that lawmakers will seek to link their unheard bills to other legislation — creating massive “trains” that thunder through the legislative process before anyone can register what’s happening.

We’d like Senate President Kathleen Passidomo and House Speaker Paul Renner to explain why these meetings were canceled, and pledge that legislation will be given ample public hearing time.

Stewart says she’s worried that many of her bills will die on the vine. That includes tax exemptions for local businesses, and a request from the Florida Department of Law Enforcement to preserve evidence that supports victims of sexual assault. Lately, she said, she’s hearing disturbing rumors that an entire week’s worth of committee meetings in December might also be canceled. “We’re already at a breaking point,” she told the Orlando Sentinel Thursday. “I’ve never seen anything like this happen before.”

Closed doors
But it has — with the Florida Cabinet, a governmental construction that is unique to this state. The Cabinet includes the governor along with three independent, statewide leaders — the attorney general, the chief financial officer and the commissioner of agriculture and consumer services. It’s intended to serve as a check over a governor’s executive power by providing independent oversight for executive-branch operations and finances. The same officials make up several independent boards, such as the State Board of Administration, which oversees the state’s multi-billion-dollar investment accounts; the Florida Land and Water Adjudicatory Commission, charged with protecting the state’s environment while hearing appeals of local growth decisions and the State Board of Executive Clemency, which considers civil rights of former felons.

In a normal year, the Cabinet (and the associated commissions) would have met at least 11 times, usually over a two-day span. This year, the Cabinet met five times. Three of those meetings were by phone. One, on March 13, was only seven minutes long.

This is how Floridians lose their chance to be heard. The business of state government grinds on — but it does so in secret, with no oversight, no chance to voice protest or encouragement to those entrusted with vast power.

Floridians must confront their elected and appointed leaders and demand change. It will be hard, since they can’t even see, right now, what opportunities are being taken away. It may require more amendments to the state constitution — but even that is no guarantee, since many provisions meant to hold Florida’s leaders accountable are being trampled. In the end, all Floridians can do is register our outrage directly to elected officials and in the voting booth.

Our birthright is sunshine. But darkness is taking hold.
RayR
2 years ago
Muzzling Floridians? That's authoritarianism taking hold, by members of both political parties too If I surmise correctly.

RiverRatRuss
2 years ago

State leaders muzzle Floridians who want to speak out


Orlando Sentinel Editorial Board

Floridians, take notice. Your right to a representative government is being stolen away.

Recent headlines document angry eruptions among an audience of people who show up to meetings ready to tell their leaders what they think — only to be muzzled by time limits that shut down some would-be participants before they could utter a single word.

More often, however, the exclusion is happening quietly and secretly, in meetings that never take place. Closed doors that should be open. A row of empty seats on a dais, facing a roomful of chairs that are also empty.

The result, however, is the same: The only people who can register their concerns face-to-face with their elected officials are the elites who can afford the private clubs and campaign contributions that give them direct access to power. The voices of regular Floridians are shut out or told to shut up.Let us speak’

That latter command stirred an outcry November 9-10 when the Board of Governors of Florida’s state university system convened in Orlando. As the Sentinel’s Annie Martin reported, a crowd primed to protest rules that threaten free-expression rights on Florida campuses overspilled the boundaries of the meeting room and a designated overflow room.

In a cruelly related dictate, Board Chairman Brian Lamb denied them the right to speak in favor of free speech, diversity and inclusion — by imposing a 15-minute time limit on all public comment. When he gaveled the discussion to a close, the crowd chanted “Let us speak.” But a majority of board members were unwilling to listen.

Lamb said the limitation was “customary,” Martin reported. That’s categorically false. Across Florida, elected and appointed boards and commissions have taken it as a point of pride: When their constituents show up to a public meeting, they deserve the opportunity to be heard. It’s even enshrined in the state constitution.

A brutal quiet
Even worse, however, are those meetings that never take place. The public is not just shut out of a chance to talk about what their elected officials are doing — they are denied the chance to listen.

That was also on display — or rather, not — over the past week, which was one of the last scheduled committee weeks before the state Legislature starts its regular session in January.

‘These committee meetings are essential parts of Florida’s legislative process, because they are the public’s only opportunity to directly address lawmakers on issues that are important to everyday Floridians. Of 35 House committees, 16 canceled their meetings last week; the ratio was even worse in the Senate, where 17 of 26 committees did not meet. Among them: All 10 of the committees Sen. Linda Stewart, D-Orlando, serves on, including Banking and Insurance; Governmental Oversight and Accountability; and Appropriations. Stewart said she didn’t even bother to return to Tallahassee after the November 6-10 special session.

The cost of those cancellations could be devastating for Floridians who hoped to ask lawmakers for statutory changes governing everything from homeowners’ associations to prison conditions — or to register their opposition to policies that take away essential freedoms or reduce oversight. Because legislation must be heard in at least one committee before it goes to the floor, shutting down committee meetings means narrowing the pipeline that allows that information to flow. It also means an increased likelihood that lawmakers will seek to link their unheard bills to other legislation — creating massive “trains” that thunder through the legislative process before anyone can register what’s happening.

We’d like Senate President Kathleen Passidomo and House Speaker Paul Renner to explain why these meetings were canceled, and pledge that legislation will be given ample public hearing time.

Stewart says she’s worried that many of her bills will die on the vine. That includes tax exemptions for local businesses, and a request from the Florida Department of Law Enforcement to preserve evidence that supports victims of sexual assault. Lately, she said, she’s hearing disturbing rumors that an entire week’s worth of committee meetings in December might also be canceled. “We’re already at a breaking point,” she told the Orlando Sentinel Thursday. “I’ve never seen anything like this happen before.”

Closed doors
But it has — with the Florida Cabinet, a governmental construction that is unique to this state. The Cabinet includes the governor along with three independent, statewide leaders — the attorney general, the chief financial officer and the commissioner of agriculture and consumer services. It’s intended to serve as a check over a governor’s executive power by providing independent oversight for executive-branch operations and finances. The same officials make up several independent boards, such as the State Board of Administration, which oversees the state’s multi-billion-dollar investment accounts; the Florida Land and Water Adjudicatory Commission, charged with protecting the state’s environment while hearing appeals of local growth decisions and the State Board of Executive Clemency, which considers civil rights of former felons.

In a normal year, the Cabinet (and the associated commissions) would have met at least 11 times, usually over a two-day span. This year, the Cabinet met five times. Three of those meetings were by phone. One, on March 13, was only seven minutes long.

This is how Floridians lose their chance to be heard. The business of state government grinds on — but it does so in secret, with no oversight, no chance to voice protest or encouragement to those entrusted with vast power.

Floridians must confront their elected and appointed leaders and demand change. It will be hard, since they can’t even see, right now, what opportunities are being taken away. It may require more amendments to the state constitution — but even that is no guarantee, since many provisions meant to hold Florida’s leaders accountable are being trampled. In the end, all Floridians can do is register our outrage directly to elected officials and in the voting booth.

Our birthright is sunshine. But darkness is taking hold.

rfenst wrote:



Good Read Robert and Factual as well... I am hitting the same roadblocks with Our State Here with my situation that has lasted 25 months now... I finally wrote this following email to two Attorney General office workers where one of them suggested I take my complaints to the States Attorney's office and with that she could have sent my documents up channel because they share the same damn building, but with COVID-19 as their reasons for lack luster Job performance where most workers only have to be in office once or twice a week.. the norm has turned to clock in clock out and draw a paycheck and fugg the little guys with factual complaints!!! the only AG employee who's been working solutions to our situation is in Chicago, and I honestly feel the worker in the Springfield office has been persuaded per 'say? 7th Judicial Court System runs two counties Sangamon and Morgan.. and I've produced evidence stemming back to 2007 where a lawyer for a legal firm who handles city business won a case on Falsified information and the Party along with myself as seeking Justice supposedly afforded under States Laws whereas the party any myself would be States Witness to the crimes committed... but cutting through the Red Tape is like fighting for your rights with the VA as a Veteran.. so i'll post my letter written to both these office workers as one has been dragging their feet on the issues...

and to think... Florida is considered a Conservative Red State.. 😣 🤦
this gives a broad insite to this entire Nation going to the Dogs!!! 🤦
BuckyB93
2 years ago

Any Updates?

RiverRatRuss wrote:



Rather entertaining Russ. Lot's trying to dance and wiggle on their end. No answers, denial of responsibility and dancing around that they did not follow. The rules/laws/training that they are supposed to be following which are, I would think, clearly stated and documented. These are the rules and laws that you must follow as an authority for your position. If you can't or don't want to abide by these, then you should be relieved of duty... publicly since you are a public authority.

That guy stating that he does it for the benefit of the city. Does that include ignoring your requirements for training and reading and the rules and laws? WTF?... you are on the board but you don't know the rules or laws and requirements of the job?

He refuses to sign off that he read and understood the zoning laws? He says if they want him to sign some "stupid paper for doing something or not doing something - screw that!" Says he may or may not have gotten bonus for something. Ummm... what bonuses did you may or may get Mr. Board Member? And what something are you referring too Mr. Board Member?

I would have loved to have been at that meeting behind you calling them to the carpet. "This is a yes or no question. Please answer Yes or No. You are not under oath and this is not a court of law but please answer yes or no. Let me remind you that this is being recorded for the record. I will go around the room and ask the same yes or no questions to each board member for the record. We will not break until you each of you these 5 questions with yes or no."

They are elected or appointed officials that are supposed to serve the public. If you boil it down, the public is their boss so if they are screwing things up or playing games, they have to answer to the public. If they can't answer simple questions then there is something wrong.

My little town is going through similar things with closed door meetings with the Mayor and some of the folks sitting in City Hall and other places of influence. They got busted for such things by the State but have yet to address it.
ZRX1200
2 years ago
Watched those three vids, some first class turds there Russ.
8trackdisco
2 years ago
Ran into this article a couple days ago. Things are going in the wrong direction in the USA. If you really need (and we don't) another cautionary tale, look at England. Not only where they are currently, but how they got there- and how fast it went. A headspinner.

Posting the first couple paragraphs and a link.


British Police ‘Are Giving in to the Mob’
Critics say cops aren't enforcing the law fairly. Cops say they are scared to.

On October 17, a man posted a video on Twitter of a street in his East London neighborhood. There was a Turkish restaurant, a Dominos, graffiti—and lots of Palestinian flags.

“Look at this crap here,” the man, known only as John A, is heard saying. He has a working-class, Scottish accent. “You let them into the country, and this is the **** they come up with.”

Two weeks later, on the night of October 31, police officers showed up at John A’s apartment.

“The reason why we’re here,” one of the officers can be heard saying in a separate video, “is on the 17th of the 10th of 2023, in Bethnal Green Road, at 10:04, you were witnessed as saying, ‘Why are they over here, etc.? We let them into our country, etc.’ ”

The police then arrest John A on suspicion of a “racially aggravated offense,” a violation of the Public Order Act of 1986. (David Atherton, a journalist who spoke with John A, tweeted that John A “does not have a criminal record & was not arrested for breaking bail conditions, as some have suggested.”)

As John A is led to a police van, his wife—now battling stage 4 cancer—wails at the cops.

https://www.thefp.com/p/british-police-are-giving-in-to-the-mob 

MACS
2 years ago
^I've seen the writing on the wall since O'bummer was in office.
ZRX1200
2 years ago
They will accuse you of what they do.

They need everyone upset, angry and confused.

Human life also needs devalued.
Gene363
2 years ago
Flag at Whitehouse.gov 🐴
rfenst
2 years ago

^I've seen the writing on the wall since O'bummer was in office.

MACS wrote:


I don't think it's related to any president as this started like 20 years ago, IMO.

Context is important and lacking here, but his speech is very much subject to HIS government's scrutiny. If that is all he said- and it was nearly overheard by someone else who reported it--- this would go way to far under the First Amendment.
RayR
2 years ago
Far before 20 years ago, suppression of and punishments for engaging in civil liberties like free speech, all subject to arbitrary government scrutiny occurred many times in U.S history...the Federalists with Alien and Sedition Acts, Stinkin' Lincoln's suspension of habeas corpus and jailing thousands of critics of his administration and political opponents without charges or trial, Woodrow Wilson's massive suppression of free speech during World War I, FDR's internment of 120,000 of Japanese-Americans without charges or trial. Probably some more.
RiverRatRuss
2 years ago

Far before 20 years ago, suppression of and punishments for engaging in civil liberties like free speech, all subject to arbitrary government scrutiny occurred many times in U.S history...the Federalists with Alien and Sedition Acts, Stinkin' Lincoln's suspension of habeas corpus and jailing thousands of critics of his administration and political opponents without charges or trial, Woodrow Wilson's massive suppression of free speech during World War I, FDR's internment of 120,000 of Japanese-Americans without charges or trial. Probably some more.

RayR wrote:



Agreed!!! this is the most prominent example that sticks in my crawl...


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonus_Army 
RayR
2 years ago

Agreed!!! this is the most prominent example that sticks in my crawl...


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonus_Army 

RiverRatRuss wrote:



Armed government agents firing on peaceful protesters. Shameful!
rfenst
2 years ago
State Seeks Go-Ahead for Drag Show Law


News Service of Florida

TALLAHASSEE — After suffering a setback at the U.S. Supreme Court, attorneys for Gov. Ron DeSantis' administration on Friday told a federal appeals court that a law aimed at preventing children from attending drag shows is tailored to the state's "unquestioned interest in protecting children from exposure to obscenity."

The state, in a 73-page brief, argued that the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals should overturn a June ruling by U.S. District Judge Gregory Presnell that blocked enforcement of the law statewide. Presnell said the law, approved this spring by the Republican-led Legislature and DeSantis, violated First Amendment rights.

Attorneys representing Department of Business and Professional Regulation Secretary Melanie Griffin, the named defendant in the case, disputed in the brief that the law violates the First Amendment and said it is narrowly focused on the ages of children.

“Because of this feature, the act does not unnecessarily deny or impede access of adults to communications that are constitutionally protected for them,” said the brief, filed by lawyers in Attorney General Ashley Moody’s office. “The act proscribes only the knowing exposure of a child to unprotected speech — speech that is obscene for children of that age. It is therefore entirely consistent with the First Amendment.”


The Orlando restaurant and bar Hamburger Mary’s filed the lawsuit in May, saying in court documents that it had run “family friendly” drag shows for 15 years. Presnell ruled that the law is not “sufficiently narrowly tailored” to meet First Amendment standards and issued a preliminary injunction that applied to venues throughout the state.

While the state quickly appealed Presnell’s ruling to the Atlanta-based appeals court, the two sides battled for months about whether the injunction should be applied statewide while the legal fight continued.

Presnell and the appeals court refused a state request for a partial stay that would have only applied the injunction to Hamburger Mary’s and allowed enforcement of the law elsewhere. A divided U.S. Supreme Court on Nov. 16 declined to take up a request from the state for a partial stay.

The decisions about the requested partial stay, however, did not resolve the underlying legal issues in the appeal of Presnell’s ruling. The state’s filing Friday was an initial brief in the broader dispute.

The law, dubbed by sponsors as the “Protection of Children Act,” would prevent venues from admitting children to adult live performances. It defines adult live performances as “any show, exhibition, or other presentation in front of a live audience, which, in whole or in part, depicts or simulates nudity, sexual conduct, sexual excitement or specific sexual activities, … lewd conduct, or the lewd exposure of prosthetic or imitation genitals or breasts.”

Regulators would be able to suspend or revoke licenses of restaurants, bars and other venues that violate the law. Also, it would prohibit local governments from issuing public permits for events that could expose children to the targeted behavior. In addition, people could face first-degree misdemeanor charges for “knowingly” admitting children to adult live performances.

While the law does not specifically mention drag shows, it came after the DeSantis administration cracked down on venues in South Florida and Central Florida where children attended drag shows. It also passed this spring amid a wave of bills in Florida and other Republican-led states targeting LGBTQ-related issues.

In issuing the preliminary injunction, Presnell wrote that law “is specifically designed to suppress the speech of drag queen performers” and the state “already has statutes” that protect children from seeing obscene performances.

“Defendant professes that a statewide preliminary injunction would ‘harm the public by exposing children to ‘adult live performances,’” Presnell wrote. “This concern rings hollow, however, when accompanied by the knowledge that Florida state law, presently and independently of the instant (new) statutory scheme, permits any minor to attend an R-rated film at a movie theater if accompanied by a parent or guardian. Such R-rated films routinely convey content at least as objectionable as that covered by (the new law).”

But in the brief Friday, the state’s lawyers raised a series of arguments, including emphasizing that the law would not affect the ability of venues to offer shows for adults.






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