HockeyDad
a year ago

how is continuation of economic support for Ukraine going to start WWIII?

We've made it clear that our foreign policy excludes US boots on the ground...sustaining US economic support for a sovereign democratic nation actively fighting a Russian invasion will eventually bleed Russia's aggression dry...

The Ukrainian people will fight Russia to their deaths...and without help, they will fail. Where do we draw the line against Russia's overt determination to expand its empire?

delta1 wrote:



Well that’s kinda what I said but Frank didn’t like it.

“I’m suggesting the Ukrainians should continue to die and kill as many Russians as possible. That is what ‘Stand With Ukraine’ means. That is what they are being paid to do. I’m investing in missiles and drones. I’m doing my part.”

We draw the line at the NATO borders or non-NATO nations where we have defense treaties.
DrMaddVibe
a year ago

for 51-

it may not be insane to want security assurances in a ceasefire agreement, unless one believes the aggressor is trustworthy.

I suppose that can differ from from case to case, country to country...

I, for one, don't have any reason to trust Putin.

frankj1 wrote:



Got it. It figures you'd side with a cash laundering machine for Biden that want's perpetual war with your kids and cash.
DrMaddVibe
a year ago

He hasn’t.
No.
No.
No.

You make a strong case for a rapid military buildup so we can fight a global war against Russia and China.



HockeyDad wrote:



Iran, Iraq, North Korea, South Africa, hell toss Mexico on the heap too!
DrMaddVibe
a year ago

We don't need to put boots on the ground or fight a global war. By supporting Ukraine with resources, including weapons, we can bleed Russian resources and military strength and deter future similar threats. Judging by Russia's need to hire Wagner mercenaries and to empty its prisons to send criminals and also older male citizens to fight in Ukraine, this strategy appears to be working.

Russia does not have the resources to have any strategic military advantage over the US.

delta1 wrote:



When is enough enough for you?

You can send them your money. Sell the house, the cars, The 401K, the kids...put it all in an envelope and give. Zelensky needs to fatten up his envelope this month.
Gene363
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a year ago

Come on now, are you worried about Ukraine or is it the fact that Trump is involved?

Be honest, come one now... seriously.


frankj1
a year ago


Come on now, are you worried about Ukraine or is it the fact that Trump is involved?

Be honest, come one now... seriously.

Gene363 wrote:


worried about Russia should be the question and the answer.
it just happens to be Ukraine... this time.

frankj1
a year ago

Got it. It figures you'd side with a cash laundering machine for Biden that want's perpetual war with your kids and cash.

DrMaddVibe wrote:



Got it...I think.
I'm choosing the side that does not believe Putin is our trusted ally and you are supporting Putin.
Interesting.

as long as you're drifting off to make your redundant charge, I musta been banned when you freaked out about something with actual proof beyond innuendo...TWO BILLION and counting for the Kushner/Trump Families on the way out the door from another of our new allies, the Saudis. You used to despise them.

Kushner's father also received a Pardon from Putin's acolyte.

If it makes you feel good, continue to assign positions for me to debate. But many who know the truth about me is I'd say what's wrong for one is wrong for the other...once proven. Sadly, the two main choices have forced me to vote third party the last few elections for POTUS...but if that ruins your narrative about me I can delete that statement.

If you're looking for me, I'm going back on topic. Feel free to speak for me if it helps you win.
drglnc
a year ago
so many Putin apologists it hurts ones head...
frankj1
a year ago

so many Putin apologists it hurts ones head...

drglnc wrote:


I long for the days they called us the Commies...

HA!
delta1
a year ago
be careful, Frank...dude's got a 9mm...
DrafterX
a year ago
Doesn't everybody..?? 😕
Gene363
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a year ago

So many short sighted POVs that are going to get us into WWII with nukes, the end of the world as we know it.

](*,) 😣 😣
delta1
a year ago
howcome it was no big deal when Kanye showed up in the White House wearing a dark long sleeve shirt, without a suit and tie? They fawned all over him as if they were glad someone like him thought it'd be cool to stop and say hello...no outrage about his choice of dress from the fashionista on the right...
Gene363
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a year ago

worried about Russia should be the question and the answer.
it just happens to be Ukraine... this time.

frankj1 wrote:




The Ukraine population is not going to win a war of attrition with Russia, period.

So do you honestly believe Ukraine can defeat Russia, without sending in NATO/US troops and starting WWIII?

delta1
a year ago

So many short sighted POVs that are going to get us into WWII with nukes, the end of the world as we know it.

](*,) 😣 😣

Gene363 wrote:



just because Trump said that supporting Ukraine against Russia's invasion will start WWIII doesn't make it so...he's the master of fake news and this POV seems like something Putin whispered into his ear to put into the open so as to stir up opposition to Ukraine...it's working...
rfenst
a year ago
Red Herring Fallacy 101: The U.S. must put boots on the ground.
Gene363
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a year ago
Your support for Ukraine over the USA has to include being ok with the following:

Billions of US Taxpayer dollars disappearing into Ukraine and not supporting their war with Russia.

Cancelled elections in Ukraine

And Ukraine selling sophisticated weapons we gave them on the open market to bad actors and drug cartels.
frankj1
a year ago

The Ukraine population is not going to win a war of attrition with Russia, period.

So do you honestly believe Ukraine can defeat Russia, without sending in NATO/US troops and starting WWIII?

Gene363 wrote:


absolutely not, they can't defeat Russia...not as convinced about WWIII, but doesn't have to happen that way.
So yes, I am worried for Ukraine, but still worried about Russia.
HockeyDad
a year ago

I long for the days they called us the Commies...

HA!

frankj1 wrote:



Remember a few months ago when Trump was a Nazi and MAGA semi-fascists? Good times! Now it Putin acolyte and Putin apologists!
frankj1
a year ago

howcome it was no big deal when Kanye showed up in the White House wearing a dark long sleeve shirt, without a suit and tie? They fawned all over him as if they were glad someone like him thought it'd be cool to stop and say hello...no outrage about his choice of dress from the fashionista on the right...

delta1 wrote:


He also came to dinner with a nazi as his plus one..
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