DrafterX
a year ago
Not all of us... 😟
frankj1
a year ago

Not all of us... 😟

DrafterX wrote:


I am appropriately humbled and apologize.
DrafterX
a year ago
frankj1
a year ago
you're the bestest!
8trackdisco
a year ago

I am appropriately humbled and apologize.

frankj1 wrote:



That was going to be my point.

Bet Drafter’s people didn’t mind a few whitey hanging around Plymouth Rock.

Look how that turned out.
MACS
a year ago

I trust your knowledge of the law over mine.
I'd like that passage to have "person" replaced with "citizen."

They wrote the constitution for all "Americans". Think they envisioned those as being American citizens; not Central American citizens.

Afterall, All people created equal was written. Tell that to the slaves.

8trackdisco wrote:



100% agree... and Clinton was deporting people left, right and center with zero injunctions. Same with Bush. Same with Obama. Now it's Trump, soooo... it's bad and they need "due process".
8trackdisco
a year ago

100% agree... and Clinton was deporting people left, right and center with zero injunctions. Same with Bush. Same with Obama. Now it's Trump, soooo... it's bad and they need "due process".

MACS wrote:



Thought your question was good. Here is what I asked ChatGPT and the response,

You said:
Compare how President Clinton was able to deport more people than Donald Trump has been able to.


ChatGPT said:
President Bill Clinton deported more people than President Donald Trump largely due to differences in policy focus, legislative context, enforcement resources, and legal constraints during their respective administrations. Here's a comparison:

1. Policy and Legislative Tools
Clinton Era: The Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996, signed by Clinton, expanded the grounds for deportation and streamlined the removal process. It also increased funding for immigration enforcement.

Trump Era: Trump issued executive orders to expand enforcement and attempted to restrict asylum, but faced more robust legal challenges and resistance from courts and some state/local governments.

2. Political and Social Climate
1990s: There was bipartisan support for tougher immigration laws, and less organized public or legal opposition.

2010s–2020s: Trump's aggressive rhetoric and policies sparked widespread public protests, legal challenges, and sanctuary city policies that limited cooperation with ICE.

3. Deportation Data
Clinton (1993–2001): Over 1.8 million formal removals.

Trump (2017–2021): About 935,000 removals, partly hindered by the COVID-19 pandemic, court rulings, and operational limits.

4. Technological and Operational Differences
Clinton's DHS Predecessors had simpler removal procedures and fewer digital tracking systems, leading to faster—but less scrutinized—deportations.

Trump’s ICE operated under more oversight and legal review, slowing processes.

In summary, Clinton benefited from a more permissive political and legal environment, with new legislation that expanded deportation authority. Trump faced greater institutional resistance, legal constraints, and changing public attitudes on immigration.
MACS
a year ago
Sooooo...

Toldja.

And Clinton was the one who created the law Trump is using to boot the fookers.
RayR
a year ago

wouldn't have been simpler for you to say it's also wrong this time...or maybe this time is different for you?

frankj1 wrote:



Don't be slow, Frank. The difference is that what those other presidents did was to deny Habeas Corpus to American citizens.

ZRX1200
a year ago

100% agree... and Clinton was deporting people left, right and center with zero injunctions. Same with Bush. Same with Obama. Now it's Trump, soooo... it's bad and they need "due process".

MACS wrote:




Well when the left does it, there’s a bigger historical precedent for treating brown people that way.
frankj1
a year ago

Don't be slow, Frank. The difference is that what those other presidents did was to deny Habeas Corpus to American citizens.

RayR wrote:


apparently my mistake was to believe you defer to the wording in the Constitution which clearly does not limit protections to citizens.
When did you change?
HockeyDad
a year ago
I heard it’s a living document.
frankj1
a year ago

I heard it’s a living document.

HockeyDad wrote:


pre-Trump, rayr would disagree with you.
BuckyB93
a year ago
If the person was in the county illegally and committed illegal acts while here and a judge tried to help or tied to help him escape justice then they should all be held accountable for their illegal acts.

Justice should be blind with no peaking no matter who you are.
frankj1
a year ago

If the person was in the county illegally and committed illegal acts while here and a judge tried to help or tied to help him escape justice then they should all be held accountable for their illegal acts.

Justice should be blind with no peaking no matter who you are.

BuckyB93 wrote:


of course, as long as the provisions of the Constitution are followed while determining if said acts are illegal.
Without that, any one of us could be victims of a too powerful government in the future.
8trackdisco
a year ago

of course, as long as the provisions of the Constitution are followed while determining if said acts are illegal.
Without that, any one of us could be victims of a too powerful government in the future.

frankj1 wrote:



If the Founding Fathers wanted 27 additional provisions (amendments) whey weren't they part of the original document?
drglnc
a year ago

If the Founding Fathers wanted 27 additional provisions (amendments) whey weren't they part of the original document?

8trackdisco wrote:

Thomas Jefferson, and other "Founding Fathers" did express the idea that each generation should have the opportunity to update or even rewrite its own founding document, essentially arguing that a constitution should not bind future generations indefinitely.

Jefferson wrote in a letter to Madison that the Constitution should be revised every 19 or 20 years, allowing each generation to establish the form of government it desires. He stated in that letter it would be tyranny to be governed by a document written by previous generations.


Ultimatly the Constitution was not designed to be rewritten every generation however, it does include provisions for amendments, allowing for its interpretation and application to evolve over time through the amendment process.

The issue is, if you don't want to follow what is written into law/constitution.. change the law BEFORE breaking... using the preocess laid out to do so. Especially when you have taken an oath to uphold that constitution... even if you later claim you "don't know" if you are required to follow it...
8trackdisco
a year ago

Thomas Jefferson, and other "Founding Fathers" did express the idea that each generation should have the opportunity to update or even rewrite its own founding document, essentially arguing that a constitution should not bind future generations indefinitely.

Jefferson wrote in a letter to Madison that the Constitution should be revised every 19 or 20 years, allowing each generation to establish the form of government it desires. He stated in that letter it would be tyranny to be governed by a document written by previous generations.


Ultimatly the Constitution was not designed to be rewritten every generation however, it does include provisions for amendments, allowing for its interpretation and application to evolve over time through the amendment process.

The issue is, if you don't want to follow what is written into law/constitution.. change the law BEFORE breaking... using the preocess laid out to do so. Especially when you have taken an oath to uphold that constitution... even if you later claim you "don't know" if you are required to follow it...

drglnc wrote:




We can't even get our legislators to represent the will of the voters. Imagine if every 20 years, the Constituition was to be updated by each generation? Problematic.

Election intereference could be legalized in 2016, and in 2023, kids in biology class would have to remember the 26 different genders.
RayR
a year ago

pre-Trump, rayr would disagree with you.

frankj1 wrote:



HD is just kidding.

They don't even bother to amend the thing anymore. Too much work. Because LEFTY says IT'S ALIVE, I've heard it's OK to just ignore it as a thing written by old dead white guys and do whatever evil stuff you want.
frankj1
a year ago

HD is just kidding.

They don't even bother to amend the thing anymore. Too much work. Because LEFTY says IT'S ALIVE, I've heard it's OK to just ignore it as a thing written by old dead white guys and do whatever evil stuff you want.

RayR wrote:


truth in jest...and you just repeated it!

I dunno, there's been 3 amendments since the year Yaz was MVP, and probably one or two failed efforts
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