jgjam...No one can dispute that what you stated is factual(sp). regarding all of these terible things being caused by these %*#@? up people. If profiling saves my life or the life of another innocent bystander than profiling needs to take place. I wonder how some of the people that disagree would feel if it was one of there loved ones who was lost during 9/11. If these same statements or assumptions can be made about many other people or nationalities why is it that I have not seen any. My eyes are open as well as my mind. Lets stop being so politically correct and tell it like it is.

CWel, let's see your list.

Never ask the PC crowd to back their statements with facts. You may as well say nasty things about their mothers. It's the equivalent to a Liberal Low Blow.

The fact that other groups may have done nasty things does nothing to debunk the validity of FACTS given in the opening post. But don't teach THAT in history nowadays. Somebody may be offended...

I never disputed the validity of the posted statements, I simply stated that it's simple to post a group of facts that single out one group.

For other examples of lists use a history book and dispute my claim, or simply look at the atrocities committed against blacks by whites in the US due to race, look at the catholic vs protestant terrorism in Northern Ireland, or the catholic priests molesting children. There are no groups of people that are innocent of having bad apples.

As I clearly stated earlier, "I'm not saying that racial profiling shouldn't be used, albeit carefully and without personal bias. I'm a realist and I understand the scope of work that our enforcement groups deal with."

The atrocities committed against Blacks in America has been well documented, and specific laws have been passed to prevent even minor infractions. Thankfully, as a country we have addressed these issues. We'll never be able to stop predudice feelings in individuals, but we can prevent groups from acting on them.

Likewise, the Catholic Church is looking to address their past cover-ups, and are taking measures to prevent future occurances.

I've yet to hear of any Muslim group doing the same. In fact, I've heard more appologies from Americans regarding the Muslim Terrorists than I have from the Muslim leaders themselves.

Bringing to light the reality of the threats is not counter-productive, as some suggest. In fact, it is a good start in addressing the problem. We are not fighting individuals. We are dealing with large groups of rogue "freedom fighters" who value their own life less than we do.

Turning a blind eye and stating that "all groups have done bad things" is a very dangerous position to take.

Hey, wait a minute! I thought this was supposed to be a blind, hate-filled, mud-slinging, specious, nay-saying flame-war. Who had the nerve to turn it into a well-mannered philosphical discussion without even ASKING PERMISSION?!?!

Tailgator, do you believe there is more white-on-black crime in 2003 America than black-on-white crime?

If you only count violent crimes, then I would say more Black on white crime, but if you go into the area of fraud etc, then I would say White on Black would be a bit higher......just a guess.

Charlie

Some statistics on crime victims by race etc.....

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/cvict_v.htm 

LLT,

I don't think it matters. The point was to emphasise the importance of recognizing the problem so a solution can be formulated.

This thread started with a tongue in cheek quiz. Some responded by belittling the relevance of such information, claiming is was a distorted, biggotted view and such a list could likely be made for most any group.

I say "bull****". Not only is it accurate, it is relevent and disturbing. That doesn't mean all other groups are innocent, but it does mean that we need to do something to stop the madness.

The Liberal ilk are so hell-bent on being unoffensive and politically correct, that they fail to see the facts in front of their face.

And these are the ones teaching the past to our children, who are the future.

It's a damn shame.

tailgater

i was told by a friend of mine in 1956, after we were told to leave a restauraunt because my friend was black, we were going back to the base in jersey after a trip to dc, that the only way to stop it is stop teaching kids prejudice and get the schools integrated so the blacks and the whites will get to know each other.

many of us have prejudices, break the cycle by not teaching it to your kids. they are born pure, don't muck it up.

Learning from the past is not "teaching prejudice".

I grew up knowing about WWII, how Japan bombed Pearl Harbor and how Hitler killed millions of Jews.

It did not result in hating the Japanese nor the Germans.

Don't be afraid of the facts as they exist.

Social values need to be taught at the family level.

If we rely on government and teachers to instill their own values then we are doomed.

Integration caused more harm than good only because it was forced. I need look no further than here in Boston to realize that.

The children are innocent. They notice differences without thinking it's evil.

We could learn a lot from them.

tailgater

you are developing a sense of rachmones.

I'm just glad short balding jews aren't out there running amock. I would be forced to profile myself.

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