HockeyDad
15 years ago
+1 Obama

Time to end the occupation.
DrafterX
15 years ago
I sure he'll appologize soon.... prolly send him an i-pod & stuff... 😟
DrMaddVibe
15 years ago
You think they're going to listen to the Kenyan King?


[frypan] [frypan] [frypan] [frypan] [frypan]
ZRX1200
15 years ago
Gotta appease the hommies.
HockeyDad
15 years ago
Dang.....Barak got called out by Al Jazeera!




Mister President, not another sermon!

Dear Mr President: Making another speech is welcomed, especially during these uncertain times. But frankly, it won't make that much of a difference unless it is followed-up with a frank and open conversation.

We've already heard three cornerstone speeches destined for the Arab and Muslim worlds, and realize all too well that you're the commander-in-speech. And we've also watched you fight on three war fronts in the Muslim world, as the US Commander in Chief.

But shooting hoops is nothing like 'one-on-one' when playing ball, Barack- if you don't mind me calling you by your court name. You need to put your lay-ups to the test.

And in the Arab court, there is one heavy-weight worth taking on, and that's Al Jazeera. Playing with light-weights is not becoming of someone who boasts about his jump-shots.

Yes, your speeches are aired live, and watched by millions. And yes, this one will be dissected and deciphered once again by the pundits. But at the end of the day, it will be just another sermon; an attempt to talk over peoples' heads.

This is no time for more lectures and promises. You need to talk to us.

I read about your much touted pedigree and personal story. And like you, Al Jazeera is also the embodiment of plurality of race and ideology, as well as the home of a plethora of ethnic identities and nationalities.

Indeed, within the sphere of global and Arab journalism, 'we're the ones we've been waiting for'.

The Arab world needs to hear certain answers to indispensable questions. With our pulse on the regional and global mood, we have the pertinent ones for you.

Yes, we will come at you with all we've got. And yes, we might take advantage of your weak points, but it's nothing you can't handle.

Your financial gestures to Egypt and other reformers in your speech this week and, what is certain to be more of the same strategic gestures to Israel during your AIPAC speech next week, aren't enough.

Piecemeal solutions and more political phases would only compromise peoples' power and defuse the will of the masses.

You must address the perception of hypocrisy (past policy vs present promises, rhetoric and reality), double standards (pressures on certain regimes but not on others) and indifference regarding some important regional and geopolitical challenges facing the Arab world, notably Israel's four decade colonial dictatorship.

These could only be answered satisfactorily through an exchange that you need to have with the Arab and the Muslim worlds.

A speech, no matter how eloquent, how bombastic, or how promising doesn't compare to a humble conversation.

Through our Arabic and English channels, we are the network that's watched by much of the Arab and Muslim worlds. Our credibility, and open freedom of expression, render us the indispensable media outlet among Arab and global satellite networks.

As your own Secretary of State Hillary Clinton put it: Al Jazeera is "changing peoples' minds and attitudes. And like it or hate it, it is really effective".

Meanwhile, you've given interviews to US news channels, which by Clinton's own admission "aren't keeping up".

I've just chatted for the third time in four months with NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen, and he could tell you why we're almost addictive.

By the way, with the killing of bin Laden, the visit of Israel's prime minister and the belated support you've shown to the Arab Spring (late is better than never...!), we have much to talk about.

After three sermons and a funeral, it's time to converse Mr. President. What say you!
ZRX1200
15 years ago
Fancy taunting to get an interview with Barry Sotoro.....

Well played though, damn clever bedouins.
DrafterX
15 years ago
they should have another beer summit.... 😟
teedubbya
15 years ago
FuzzNJ
15 years ago

It is so ON

teedubbya wrote:



As the prophesy hath foretold.
teedubbya
15 years ago
let the break dancing begin!
apachelm
15 years ago

they should have another beer summit.... 😟

DrafterX wrote:



Ummmmmm




maybe a Seltzer Summit 🍺
FuzzNJ
15 years ago

Ummmmmm




maybe a Seltzer Summit 🍺

apachelm wrote:



With big BLT sammiches.
DrMaddVibe
15 years ago
I wonder when the American Jewish populace will FINALLY wake up and decide that the Democratic party has tooled them over and over again.


I CANNOT wait for the lamenting of Rick.

Stay tuned for this one!

Remember...Bush loved Israel.
FuzzNJ
15 years ago

I wonder when the American Jewish populace will FINALLY wake up and decide that the Democratic party has tooled them over and over again.


I CANNOT wait for the lamenting of Rick.

Stay tuned for this one!

Remember...Bush loved Israel.

DrMaddVibe wrote:



Yeah, most fundamentalist christians love Israel and support Israel the way they do in order to try to fulfill 'prophesy'. They also think that all but 144,000 jews will die and go to hell after Jesus comes back during the 'tribulation'. The final war between good and evil is supposed to be fought there and God is supposed to set up his 1,000 year kingdom on earth there as well. There are variations of this of course.

Israeli politicians know this of course, but ignore it. It's a really strange way to 'love' someone, imho.
DrMaddVibe
15 years ago

Yeah, most fundamentalist christians love Israel and support Israel the way they do in order to try to fulfill 'prophesy'. They also think that all but 144,000 jews will die and go to hell after Jesus comes back during the 'tribulation'. The final war between good and evil is supposed to be fought there and God is supposed to set up his 1,000 year kingdom on earth there as well. There are variations of this of course.

Israeli politicians know this of course, but ignore it. It's a really strange way to 'love' someone, imho.

FuzzNJ wrote:





You're completely ignorant for most of your post, but that's because you're mad at God. Why? I don't know. Maybe you were an abused alterboy, forced to attend or just can't come to grips with the notion that a Higher Power (more than a human) offered you dominion over his Creation. I don't know and I really don't care but to marginalize religion the manner you do, there's deep seeded anger there and it's silly. Understanding God's love and the love we're commanded to share is the crux of religion. I'm not a practicing person, but I don't bash on others that do in any way shape or form. I'm still seeking what fits for me. I've attended many different demoninations and many religions looking to find what fits according to the way I see my Maker. It's a journey I have to make that nobody else can walk for me. I've found similarities, I've found instances where I "belong" and I've found that there's more to Life than what Man can make up. I'm open and willing to fathom that God sent his only son to preach a message built upon forgiveness, love and peace. You NEVER let the subject pass without a smarmy comment and you're condescending towards posters here that project that. That's your weight to carry. Good luck with that baggage.

Getting back to the post though, I suppose you're going to defend the Palestinians? Israel should vacate and comply with the Kenyan King's order? I'm onboard with the whole let's take the money we throw away to other nations bit lock stock and barrel but to force border restrictions or guidelines on an other nation? Okay, everyone see our leader for what he is.

If you cannot see how ridiculous the President is on this then you're as lost as the Jewish voter.

Owebama is not worthy of a second term and this foolish act will most likely cement that in for him. Goodbye AIPAC donations. Goodbye public support from a nation that overwhelmingly believes in a Higher Power.


FuzzNJ
15 years ago
Dude, it's an accurate description of fundamentalist christianity's beliefs regarding the end times. It isn't a bash and I'm far from ignorant on the subject. The rest of your rant is strange and out of place considering the topic.

Lost as the Jewish voter? You apparently are one of those who think that because the majority of Jews in this country vote Democratic, they are crazy or stupid. Who is being judgemental and ignorant now?

As far as peace in the area is concerned, I'm not holding my breath. There will never be peace there as long as people consider places on earth to be 'holy', or gifts from god.
DrMaddVibe
15 years ago
Ok...Please detail how your post is accurate then.
FuzzNJ
15 years ago

Ok...Please detail how your post is accurate then.

DrMaddVibe wrote:



lol, what? Just read post 14 again. You don't actually want me to give you a bible lesson as interpreted by fundies do you?
DrMaddVibe
15 years ago

lol, what? Just read post 14 again. You don't actually want me to give you a bible lesson as interpreted by fundies do you?

FuzzNJ wrote:




Yeah, I do.
FuzzNJ
15 years ago

Yeah, I do.

DrMaddVibe wrote:



Sweet. Well, that's not gonna happen. But post 14 is a short description of the end times prophesy, here's the same thing, only with a bit more detail.

If Jews in Israel or anywhere don't accept Jesus as their savior and the son of God, they will go to hell, except 12,000 from each of the 12 tribes of Israel, making 144,000. The Christians will ascend into heaven, even the dead ones tearing up graves, 7 years of tribulation will start, 3 1/2 years of peace when the anti-christ will rule, then 3 1/2 years of hell on earth, mark of the beast if you don't accept it you will be beheaded most people think.

Then the big battle between good and evil at Armageddon, blood rises as high as a horse's head, God wins (of course). God then sets up a 1,000 year kingdom of heaven on earth.

And there are a bunch of people who think this entire scenario starts tomorrow night at 6.

There is more detail like a prophet being shot in Jerusalem and left on the streets for 3 days only to come back to life, the 7 horsemen of the apocalypse each bringing a different scourge. All real scary stuff.

There are entire books written about it, even fiction ones like the 'Left Behind' series, if the subject interests you. This is what fundamentalist christians believe, churches like the ones Palin, Bachmann, Bush Jr., Franklin Graham, Jimmy Swaggart, etc all attend.
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