dubleuhb
Wednesday, December 28, 2011 11:57:22 AM
Patience dandelionjumper, just put them away and forget about them, simple.
Nicar
Wednesday, December 28, 2011 12:00:59 PM

Patience dandelionjumper, just put them away and forget about them, simple.

dubleuhb wrote:




Forget about what?
bassman45
Wednesday, December 28, 2011 12:06:49 PM

Forget about what?

Nicar wrote:



Exactly!8-[
dubleuhb
Wednesday, December 28, 2011 12:07:47 PM
WHAT?
fishinguitarman
Wednesday, December 28, 2011 12:15:58 PM
But if I forgot about 'em, then I wouldn't remember
dubleuhb
Wednesday, December 28, 2011 12:21:09 PM
Then send them to me and I will give them proper care then send them when they are ready.
fishinguitarman
Wednesday, December 28, 2011 12:28:26 PM

Then send them to me and I will give them proper care then send them when they are ready.

dubleuhb wrote:








I would but I don't remember where I put 'em... 🤦
nnightmar
Wednesday, December 28, 2011 12:42:32 PM

Depends on what your definition of is, is.

fishinguitarman wrote:



No thanks for the non-answer Mr. Fishing "Three Dollar Bill" Guitarman...
jimbud
Friday, January 6, 2012 7:38:10 PM
Guys, got a question for those who know their refugees. I've been reading some of the recent threads and I'm curious -- it seems like the box codes/dates are more important to pay attention to with ISOMs than with other smokes. Why is that? Is there more fluctuation in quality within the same cigar each year?
Thunder.Gerbil
Saturday, January 7, 2012 2:15:21 AM
Multi-fold answer...

Cuban cigars aren't always necessarily manufactured in the same factory from month to month. At one time, the factory codes were known, now, not so much. Some factories are better than others, although in recent years, the provincial factories have improved greatly.

Vintage is also something worth noting with Cuban cigars since they are sometimes shipped a bit fresh.

Lastly, from a counterfeiting perspective, it's not uncommon for the counterfeiters to use a valid factory, month and year combo, but on the wrong brand. ie: they might stamp a box of marque "A" counterfeits with factory code ABC JAN09. While it's a valid factory, month and year code, it might only be valid for marque "B", as for that month and year, marque "A" might only have been stamped with XYZ JAN09.

Some non-Cuban cigars might have date codes, but factory of production is usually not necessary since a particular vitola in a marque is typically always made in the same place. It's also not as important with the date code since NC's typically use aged tobacco - Cuban cigars, who knows. Hit and miss - sometimes it's aged, sometimes it's not as much.

PS: Please quit calling them ISOMs Lightning isn't going to strike you down for calling them Cuban cigars. Show some respect.
njstone
Saturday, January 7, 2012 7:46:03 AM
Any trading going on in this discussiontrade thread?
jimbud
Saturday, January 7, 2012 7:55:47 AM


PS: Please quit calling them ISOMs Lightning isn't going to strike you down for calling them Cuban cigars. Show some respect.

Thunder.Gerbil wrote:



Yeah, right. The reason I used ISOM instead of Cuban was to show disrespect to the country or its cigars. You got me. I bet that really stung them. I didn't use Cuban because I thought it might be discourteous to the owners of a forum to do so unless they had specifically invited a discussion of Cuban cigars. I realize buying and selling are different than discussing them, but whatever. Kind of like uttering "MacBeth" inside the theatre.

But, TG, other than that, your info was very helpful. Thanks.
nnightmar
Saturday, January 7, 2012 1:03:37 PM

Any trading going on in this discussiontrade thread?

njstone wrote:



Not so much that you would notice though there is a possible box pass under development here:
http://www.cigarbid.com/Forum/c/posts/614811/CC-Pass 
Thunder.Gerbil
Saturday, January 7, 2012 3:01:05 PM

Yeah, right. The reason I used ISOM instead of Cuban was to show disrespect to the country or its cigars. You got me. I bet that really stung them. I didn't use Cuban because I thought it might be discourteous to the owners of a forum to do so unless they had specifically invited a discussion of Cuban cigars. I realize buying and selling are different than discussing them, but whatever. Kind of like uttering "MacBeth" inside the theatre.

But, TG, other than that, your info was very helpful. Thanks.

jimbud wrote:




LOL. You posted in a 5 page long thread that is blatantly a discussion about Cuban cigars, where they are mentioned many times by name and origin, but yet didn't call them Cuban as not to be discourteous to the owners of this site? Laughable. By your own explanation, you simply posting in this thread would be discourteous.

Anyway, it's ridiculously silly term which has long since outlived it's usefulness. Don't take it too hard, most people use the term when starting out.

BTW - wanted to add that when I was speaking of the first three letters of the box codes and how sometimes the same cigars are made at different factories, a change of codes from month to month does not necessarily indicate a change in factories. It's not uncommon now, with the current coding system, for a single factory to get a new code each month, even if they are still producing the same cigar they were last month. There is also speculation that multiple factory codes can be issued to the same factory for the same month for different cigar marques/ vitolas.

Yeah, it's kludgey, no one has figured the new system out yet.
duwan
Saturday, January 7, 2012 3:10:02 PM
I aint never got to smoke no Cuban Ceegars. Are they really that much better than regular ceegars?

I would buy some if I knew how. Would someone post the names of some of the companies where these can be bought? Also, if I were to buy some, how would they be shipped to me? Could someone explain to me the shipping methods of the companies?
jimbud
Saturday, January 7, 2012 3:13:55 PM

LOL. You posted in a 5 page long thread that is blatantly a discussion about Cuban cigars, where they are mentioned many times by name and origin, but yet didn't call them Cuban as not to be discourteous to the owners of this site? Laughable. By your own explanation, you simply posting in this thread would be discourteous.

Anyway, it's ridiculously silly term which has long since outlived it's usefulness. Don't take it too hard, most people use the term when starting out.

BTW - wanted to add that when I was speaking of the first three letters of the box codes and how sometimes the same cigars are made at different factories, a change of codes from month to month does not necessarily indicate a change in factories. It's not uncommon now, with the current coding system, for a single factory to get a new code each month, even if they are still producing the same cigar they were last month. There is also speculation that multiple factory codes can be issued to the same factory for the same month for different cigar marques/ vitolas.

Yeah, it's kludgey, no one has figured the new system out yet.

Thunder.Gerbil wrote:



Thanks. Don't worry -- I wasn't taking the fact that you corrected my terminology too hard, I just didn't like the dismissive and condescending directive to "show some respect." And, Adam, it is uncool to call my rationale for how I worded my post "laughable." What is the point? If others on the thread want to use "Cuban" and I wasn't sure if that was acceptable, who cares? I appreciate you sharing the info -- it is helpful -- but going out of your way to insult just isn't cool IMO.
wheelrite
Saturday, January 7, 2012 3:46:01 PM

I aint never got to smoke no Cuban Ceegars. Are they really that much better than regular ceegars?

I would buy some if I knew how. Would someone post the names of some of the companies where these can be bought? Also, if I were to buy some, how would they be shipped to me? Could someone explain to me the shipping methods of the companies?

duwan wrote:



Stage Coach or Carrier Pigeon...
Thunder.Gerbil
Saturday, January 7, 2012 3:51:04 PM

Thanks. Don't worry -- I wasn't taking the fact that you corrected my terminology too hard, I just didn't like the dismissive and condescending directive to "show some respect." And, Adam, it is uncool to call my rationale for how I worded my post "laughable." What is the point? If others on the thread want to use "Cuban" and I wasn't sure if that was acceptable, who cares? I appreciate you sharing the info -- it is helpful -- but going out of your way to insult just isn't cool IMO.

jimbud wrote:



I wasn't trying to insult you, it seems that maybe you didn't realize that referring to a Country and Peoples by such terms as "ISOM" / "Island South of Miami" can be considered disrespectful and possibly even insulting & derogatory by definition in some of their eyes. Unfortunately, a common oversight since the term is tossed around so loosely without thought. That's what I was referring to.
duwan
Saturday, January 7, 2012 4:06:42 PM
CAT FIGHT !!!!
jimbud
Saturday, January 7, 2012 4:08:31 PM

I wasn't trying to insult you, it seems that maybe you didn't realize that referring to a Country and Peoples by such terms as "ISOM" / "Island South of Miami" can be considered disrespectful and possibly even insulting & derogatory by definition and in some of their eyes. An common oversight since the term is tossed around so loosely without thought. That's what I was referring to.

Thunder.Gerbil wrote:



Thanks for clarifying. And you are right that if the Cuban people take offense at that term, that is news to me. I used the term to refer to the cigars from Cuba, not the country or people. Based on what I have seen, the phrase's etimology seems to stem from the desire of some not to specifically reference cigars that are illegal. If it is a derogatory term that some use outside the cigar context to refer to Cuba, I did not know that.