mdbulger
Friday, July 12, 2013 9:11:21 AM
The thermostat is just not sensitive enough. One click and it's 75 degrees, one click it's 60 degrees and has sucked the RH down to 50%... Has anyone ever changed out the potentiometer style thermostat control for something more sensitive, say an A/C style thermostat?

Or does anyone have any other suggestions?

Taps86
Friday, July 12, 2013 9:17:27 AM

The thermostat is just not sensitive enough. One click and it's 75 degrees, one click it's 60 degrees and has sucked the RH down to 50%... Has anyone ever changed out the potentiometer style thermostat control for something more sensitive, say an A/C style thermostat?

Or does anyone have any other suggestions?

mdbulger wrote:

By the time you do that, just buy a new one.

cacman
Friday, July 12, 2013 9:39:14 AM
Unplug it. Buy a couple big ass coolers.
mdbulger
Friday, July 12, 2013 9:41:37 AM

Unplug it. Buy a couple big ass coolers.

cacman wrote:

That might work if I could afford to keep my house at 68 degrees all the time, but I live in South Florida. My house fluctuates between 76 during the day and 71 at night during the summer. I would have the same ambient temp in a cooler that I would if I left the wineador unplugged all the time.

sd72
Friday, July 12, 2013 9:47:30 AM
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0057WCKM2 

Get two of these, and be done with it.

cacman
Friday, July 12, 2013 9:52:23 AM

That might work if I could afford to keep my house at 68 degrees all the time, but I live in South Florida. My house fluctuates between 76 during the day and 71 at night during the summer. I would have the same ambient temp in a cooler that I would if I left the wineador unplugged all the time.

mdbulger wrote:

Common excuse. Remember that the whole house doesn't need to be cooled, only the room the humi is in. Store it in the bedroom and buy a window AC for the wife.

Roaster Dude
Saturday, July 13, 2013 2:51:12 AM
It really shouldn't be that expensive or difficult to do.

I was thinking about putting a pid controller in mine.

Something like this,

http://www.instrumart.com/products/4714/fuji-pxr3-temperature-controller 

The thermostat is just not sensitive enough. One click and it's 75 degrees, one click it's 60 degrees and has sucked the RH down to 50%... Has anyone ever changed out the potentiometer style thermostat control for something more sensitive, say an A/C style thermostat?

Or does anyone have any other suggestions?

mdbulger wrote:

Bentakemoto
Saturday, July 13, 2013 12:51:03 PM
If you freeze your cigars before putting them in your humi, does 80 degree weather matter?
Roaster Dude
Saturday, July 13, 2013 2:28:26 PM

If you freeze your cigars uttin I . them in your humi, does 80 degree weather matter?

Bentakemoto wrote:

I would think first mold would become an issue rather quickly at that temp.

as well as the oils in the tobacco start to dry out

I dont know at what temp you should start worring about that though.

anyone know the answer?

sd72
Saturday, July 13, 2013 3:38:33 PM
You most likely wont freeze them at a low enough temp. TG had a long debate with someone here, maybe Rfenst, about this with many links covering freeze times, and temps.

If you can find that.......

Roaster Dude
Saturday, July 13, 2013 3:49:53 PM

You most likely wont freeze them at a low enough temp. TG had a long debate with someone here, maybe Rfenst, about this with many links covering freeze times, and temps.

If you can find that.......

sd72 wrote:

Hmmm

http://www.coresta.org/Guides/Guide-No09-Freezing-parameters_Nov09.pdf 

Roaster Dude
Saturday, July 13, 2013 4:24:27 PM
This is interesting

Eggs were most susceptible to low temperatures that were higher than 5°C.

Larvae acquired cold tolerance during exposure to 15°C for 1 mo.

These acclimated larvae were the most tolerant of all.

As the most susceptible stage, egg susceptibility to moderately low temperatures (16–20°C) was specifically examined. At 20°C, most eggs (80%) normally hatched within 4 wk, but all eggs died within 6 wk at temperatures less than 18°C.

This fact indicates that the reproductive cycle can be blocked at temperatures less than 18°C, and that tobacco stored in such conditions will never become infested, even if eggs are deposited by invading adults.

Consequently, if the tobacco temperature is reduced to 5°C for 3 mo in winter and is subsequently

maintained below 18°C throughout the rest of the year, tobacco can become and remain pest-free without any chemical control.

18 C ..........64.4 F

http://www.cubancigarwebsite.com/cigar-pests.pdf 

mdbulger
Saturday, July 13, 2013 4:30:34 PM

This is interesting

Eggs were most susceptible to low temperatures that were higher than 5°C.

Larvae acquired cold tolerance during exposure to 15°C for 1 mo.

These acclimated larvae were the most tolerant of all.

As the most susceptible stage, egg susceptibility to moderately low temperatures (16–20°C) was specifically examined. At 20°C, most eggs (80%) normally hatched within 4 wk, but all eggs died within 6 wk at temperatures less than 18°C.

This fact indicates that the reproductive cycle can be blocked at temperatures less than 18°C, and that tobacco stored in such conditions will never become infested, even if eggs are deposited by invading adults.

Consequently, if the tobacco temperature is reduced to 5°C for 3 mo in winter and is subsequently

maintained below 18°C throughout the rest of the year, tobacco can become and remain pest-free without any chemical control.

18 C ..........64.4 F

http://www.cubancigarwebsite.com/cigar-pests.pdf 

Roaster Dude wrote:

What RH would I need to keep if I maintained approx 64 degrees to keep the cigars smokeable (ie enjoyable)?

Roaster Dude
Saturday, July 13, 2013 4:38:18 PM
What ever you enjoy smoking them at.

65% is what I shoot for

What RH would I need to keep if I maintained approx 64 degrees to keep the cigars smokeable (ie enjoyable)?

mdbulger wrote:

mdbulger
Saturday, July 13, 2013 4:42:19 PM

What ever you enjoy smoking them at.

65% is what I shoot for

Roaster Dude wrote:

I appreciate all the information. I had done some reading about beetles due to a recent problem, so almost everything in the humi has been through the 5 day freezing process (1 day fridge, 3 day freezer, 1 day fridge) except 2 boxes of new purchases, but they haven't been deboxed. I have been so indoctrinated to the 70/70 rule that I was freaking out a little when I saw the 63 degree mark on the thermometer. After doing more reading I am finding that it's a preference thing, and I am sure that 65/65 will work just as well. (I know what you are saying, damn noobies...).

Thanks again!

Roaster Dude
Saturday, July 13, 2013 4:49:56 PM
One thing is that the colder you go the more difficult it is to maintain the RH, as in keeping it high enough.

When you turn the cooling on RH drops fast.

Be careful adding water at low temps things can get soggy, condensation in a refrigerated container is a serious problem.

The colder you keep things the more air flow you need.

Roaster Dude
Saturday, July 13, 2013 5:01:33 PM
according to the chart I am looking at

If your freezer is only at 32F you would need to freeze your smokes for 49 days to kill all of the acclimated larva.

and -4F kills everything

schusler
Saturday, July 13, 2013 10:04:37 PM
Ranco temperature controller