TrishS@CigarBid
12 years ago

cbid doesn't sell super premiums is what we all are saying...

opelmanta1900 wrote:




Most Super Premiums have established MAP restrictions which forces us to keep them off the site.
denali7432
12 years ago
wait..wait a cotton picking minute here now..ve always had my suspicions....and my ideas..but after reading this thread im starting to thinks that my thoughts are correct and not a conspiracy theory..but ive come to the conclusions and bare with me now..that im now positively 75% sure that...cbid is in some how and some way affiliated with CI!!!
there i have let it out of the bag..

















































[sarcasm]
opelmanta1900
12 years ago

With the relationship we have with Gurkha, why would we risk that by doing something they don't approve of? And how do you know the B&M Gurkha Beauty isn't OLD from the original release? Just like the La Perlas....

TrishS@CigarBid wrote:



I certainly wasn't insinuating cbid did anything gurkha didn't approve of... I can't imagine there's anything in the world kaizad wouldn't let you do with his company name, for a price...

The beauty at the b&m is not the same as the original release.... again, OR has cedar sleeve plus glass tube... second release has no glass tube and a cedar sleeve... cbid release has no glass tube and no cedar sleeve...

3 different incarnations of the beauty, with the poorest quality one (stuffed with pieces of leaf instead of whole leaf, lots of stems, obviously cheaper tobacco) being sold here...

I smoked a ton of them... the second runs were widely available at the same time the cbid runs were being sold...

I've also smoked a second run... it wasn't great, but definitely better than the ones you could get for a buck here... but it definitely didn't cost just a buck...

ultimately, it seems like you get what you pay for... if you pay $1 on cbid, you're likely not getting the same thing you would get for $8+ at a b&m...
opelmanta1900
12 years ago

Most Super Premiums have established MAP restrictions which forces us to keep them off the site.

TrishS@CigarBid wrote:



except for the opus x you routinely sell at a great financial loss... 🇨🇮

never forget trish... deep down, we love you dearly...
illinichaser
12 years ago

With the relationship we have with Gurkha, why would we risk that by doing something they don't approve of? And how do you know the B&M Gurkha Beauty isn't OLD from the original release? Just like the La Perlas....

Sheesh....you guys need to come to CigarFest to see what kind of relationship we have with the manufacturers. They wouldn't bother with us if we diminished their brands/cigars.

Why do you think we removed some cigars from this site? Because the manufacturers asked for it! Demanded it with Minimum Advertised Pricing (MAP) restrictions. If we were gonna tinkle on their twinkies, we wouldn't have bothered. But then, they would have stopped selling us product.

Do you really believe that any single Brick and Mortar store would sell more product than we would? I'll answer that...its no, they don't. So they could have, again, stockpiled cigars that they thought would be huge sellers and are now selling them, after that first (or second, or third) release is gone everywhere else.

Come on guys....think about it. What is to be gained by CI/CBid in doing something that isn't accepted/approved by the manufacturers?

Tiger - sorry.....I have no idea why I thought it was you. My only excuse is this damned time change messing with my internal clock. Sincere apologies.

Now Jade.... that's another story entirely! :)

TrishS@CigarBid wrote:



This is exactly what I was trying to say. The "different" were a prior release. In no way do I think CBID is trying to compete with cigar manufacturers or trying to sell a brands label without their knowledge/approval. In stead they are "partnering" with the manufacturers to create/sale a product.
BuckyB93
12 years ago

You know, this is always touted as THE cigar that gets rebanded by us. But here's how it works:

The original La Perla hit the cigar world like a rocket! Everyone loved them and bought them up. With increased production, costs needed to be reviewed and that cute little silk footband was expensive - not just to produce but the added manpower to put it on the cigar. So when that was removed, folks immediately said it was reblended. Sales may have dropped off slightly or maybe not, I'm not certain. But the brand is now slightly diminished.

Now add into the mix this is a boutique brand so the tobacco is often-times limited in quantity. With that ealier increased production, that delicious wrapper is gone. So they go out to purchase more just like it but alas there is none to be found. And the brand loses much of its luster.

As all of you know, tobacco taste changes based on environmental conditions during its growth. When that specific wrapper was gone, they tried other wrapper from a different year. It tasted similar but not exactly the same. So no....the blend did NOT change but the wrapper leaf DID change.


Think about it....if that brand was still a HUGE money maker for the manufacturer, why would they sell it? Answer: They wouldn't.

To suggest that we reband inferior cigars is irresponsible at best and libilous at worst.

So, why is it that those cigar stores have the 'original' cigars? Simple - they stored them away or just didn't sell them. There are a lot of savvy cigar store owners out there. They may have put them away from their stock, purchased it from individuals who had them stored from their own stock, etc.

I'm not upset with you Tiger, I just can't believe that you think so little of this company as to suggest we do this.

Whatever, you'll believe what you want and its easiest to think that the giant company is evil. That for some reason we took this superb cigar and junked it up. I guess that makes sense in some idiotic way.

I know that many of you are thinking that I don't know what I'm talking about and I'm just saying this because I work for this company. But how many of you have spent the past 13 years doing nothing but learning about and discussing cigars? So while you don't have to consider me an expert, you do have to acknowledge that I may know something of what I speak. And I've never BS'd you. When we've been at fault, I've acknowledged it.

So....do with this information what you wish. I know that many of you will disregard it because its contrary to what you 'know'. Again, whatever. I certainly can't force you to understand it.

TrishS@CigarBid wrote:



The La Perlas were good smokes but I got soured on them back around 2005 when they tried to pass off dyed maduro wrappers. I personally threw out a couple 5 packs that had artificially enhanced wrappers. I wonder if that coincides with the wrapper change that you mentioned.

http://cigarbids.com/Forum/c/posts/52172/Perla-Habana-Maduro-Dyed 

http://cigarbids.com/Forum/c/posts/42752/La-Perla-Habana-Maduro 

http://cigarbids.com/Forum/c/posts/43479/StevenRCbid-and-the-La-Peral-story 

Threads such as these can be found on other forums in and about the same time frame.
opelmanta1900
12 years ago
wow... stever seems like he was a bit of a ******...
DrafterX
12 years ago

wow... stever seems like he was a bit of a ******...

opelmanta1900 wrote:




he turned me into a newt.... 😞
Thunder.Gerbil
12 years ago

wow... stever seems like he was a bit of a ******...

opelmanta1900 wrote:



Nah. Steve is actually a really cool guy, I think his hair gel just hardened a bit too much that day.
opelmanta1900
12 years ago

Nah. Steve is actually a really cool guy, I think his hair gel just hardened a bit too much that day.

Thunder.Gerbil wrote:



ok,... I wasn't around when he was and haven't seen any of his other posts... that one thread he just came off as a bit arrogant and rude... everyone has bad days though...
Buckwheat
12 years ago
Blah, blah, blah... Cigars are made from seasonal crop(s) that change from year to year. I believe that this is the primary reason that a cigar will taste different from year to year. The cigar companies try to keep the taste as close as possible from year to year but I believe that sometimes they have no option but to release a slightly different tasting cigars if the tobaccos in the blend just aren't available or they taste different from previous years. Think about it. That being said I do know that there are "fakes" out there that are being sold. I doubt that any are sold here. Just not worth CI taking the risk of getting a bad rap over selling "fakes"
victor809
12 years ago

ok,... I wasn't around when he was and haven't seen any of his other posts... that one thread he just came off as a bit arrogant and rude... everyone has bad days though...

opelmanta1900 wrote:



StevR was definitely no Trish.

DrafterX
12 years ago

Blah, blah, blah... Cigars are made from seasonal crop(s) that change from year to year. I believe that this is the primary reason that a cigar will taste different from year to year.

Buckwheat wrote:




👍
Philly Jack
12 years ago

Victor: He's right on this. There were only 50k Gurkha Beauties ever made and they sold out many years ago. CI/CBID owns the label and puts it on something but it isn't the Gurkha Beauty. I still see a few of the "real" Beauties in the glass tubes in some B&M's going for around $30/each. The ones sold here are at best a Victor Sinclair 2nd and that's being generous!

crgcpro wrote:


and I got it right from Graycliff that you own some of there bands also or are you calling the Graycliff rep a lair. Trish does CI reproduce cigars with other manufactures names on the label yes or no it's that easy.
victor809
12 years ago

and I got it right from Graycliff that you own some of there bands also or are you calling the Graycliff rep a lair. Trish does CI reproduce cigars with other manufactures names on the label yes or no it's that easy.

Philly Jack wrote:



I'm sure this will end well.....


Free Philly Jack!!!

(just thought I'd get a jump on things...) 🙂
denali7432
12 years ago
there is no way in hell cbid or ci would risk their business and reputation by putting a cigar band on a cigar that is not it, regardless how we feel about gurkha cigars on here i do love the beautys and the titans, but cbid and ci would never put those bands on a cigar that was not what the band says it is..i think some guys here are taking this thread to far and to the point its begining to take on the faction of a witch hunt..if you guys believe what you are saying then fine, great, go, leave, that will leave more stuff for me to buy and maybe even stop seeing so many prices being driven higher then the retail site..
Philly Jack
12 years ago
Like Dave used to say if you can only find them here there is a reason. Free Dave, I can easily move my business to a competitor I may not spend millions here but I spend enough to make a stink high enough here all they have to do is pull up my spending history. You can find me OLH if I go missing.
TrishS@CigarBid
12 years ago

and I got it right from Graycliff that you own some of there bands also or are you calling the Graycliff rep a lair. Trish does CI reproduce cigars with other manufactures names on the label yes or no it's that easy.

Philly Jack wrote:




We pay a fee to use their name. Its called a licensing fee, kinda like the fee you pay to be able to put your pro sports teams' names on t-shirts, jerseys, etc. So no, he's not a liar. But Graycliff is aware of it as they rake in the money. Nothing underhanded and no one has ever said that these cigars are from the Bahamas. We'll make mention of their name in the marketing information but again, nothing underhanded there.

You may not like how 95% of the products in the world are marketed, but that doesn't make it wrong. There's a lot of things I don't like: Pistashio ice cream, high credit card interest rates, kids mouthing off to their parents. But most of it I can't fix. So, like the pistashio ice cream thing, I just don't buy it. if you don't like the Graycliff cigars we sell, don't buy them.

Easy, peasy, lemon squeezy.

But I gotta say Wow....lots of anger there Philly Jack. Unless your stock in Graycliff tanked after we licensed their name, I don't see where it comes from.
Philly Jack
12 years ago

there is no way in hell cbid or ci would risk their business and reputation by putting a cigar band on a cigar that is not it, regardless how we feel about gurkha cigars on here i do love the beautys and the titans, but cbid and ci would never put those bands on a cigar that was not what the band says it is..i think some guys here are taking this thread to far and to the point its begining to take on the faction of a witch hunt..if you guys believe what you are saying then fine, great, go, leave, that will leave more stuff for me to buy and maybe even stop seeing so many prices being driven higher then the retail site..

denali7432 wrote:


This has been played out time over time for years here. Graycliff' that come in packs marked made in Honduras or beautys that come in sizes that were never made before or glass tubes and you can't find anything about these cigars on the MANUFACTURES web site ???? Cigars despite their brothers and sisters reputation for being great cigars never seem to live up to the others in their families and have burn and construction issues all the time...Think about it!!!
TrishS@CigarBid
12 years ago

Like Dave used to say if you can only find them here there is a reason. Free Dave, I can easily move my business to a competitor I may not spend millions here but I spend enough to make a stink high enough here all they have to do is pull up my spending history. You can find me OLH if I go missing.

Philly Jack wrote:




Seriously? Someone needs a nap...
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