but we don't know if that's how it went down.. you're making assumptions that they were all hanging together.. I doubt that was the case.. the Police there were people coming from all directions.. there wasn't line in the sand that got crossed.. .. 😟

DrafterX wrote:

Martha McCallum should have been given credit for that one. It's exactly what she asked Newt on Fox News just hours earlier....on Monday evening. ...kinda funny to watch the president recite others' commentary word for word

dstieger wrote:

It might...but I don't even see a problem there....careful picking of out of context facts and legends could turn Lee (or anybody) into a monster, but I think Lee was mostly a pretty decent person and I don't think a school named for him should bother you (or your hypothetical black kid) any more than the statues do

dstieger wrote:

bassard

teedubbya wrote:

Hey I don't really care, I was being silly. But the dude could have lead the Union Army but Chose the south. I could see some black folk struggling with that. That said, I guess that's pretty presumptuous. I don't really know. Maybe we should ask them?

teedubbya wrote:

why do I need to change my mind..?? You guys are saying everyone there defending the statue was a nazi or a nazi supporter... I don't believe that for a minute.. never will... 😟

DrafterX wrote:

my "racist" was meant for drafter attending RELHS... oh well, let em fall where the gods will it...

opelmanta1900 wrote:

why do I need to change my mind..?? You guys are saying everyone there defending the statue was a nazi or a nazi supporter... I don't believe that for a minute.. never will... 😟

DrafterX wrote:

Have you looked at the video from Friday night? An organized line of people carrying lit torches and chanting? I see no problem in identifying every single one of them as a nazi.

Have you seen the "uniforms" they wore Saturday white polo shirts? There's a video if a scared little nazi kid taking his white polo off and claiming he was just doing it for "funsies" once he was on camera. Yep... when you put a uniform on to match next to nazis... you're a nazi.

I think there's another statement we can make.
If you spend a ton if effort trying to equivocate that some of the Nazis may not be nazis.. and some of the Nazis are probably good people. You're a nazi sympathizer.

This isn't the sort of issue that requires nuance. And anyone that's soing mental gymnastics to try to bring nuance to Nazism is a bad person and not someone I would ever want to stand next to.

victor809 wrote:

I'm pretty far removed from my Civil War history lessons...may have to reread...but I always thought of Lee as having chosen Virginia moreso than choosing the South...believe he said he couldn't take up arms against his fellow Virginians...he may not have been all that principled going in....as least not so far as the big Separatist arguments of the time

dstieger wrote:

I didn't say you needed to, I asked if it would.

It would absolutely change mine if I knew there were a bunch of good folks that were isolated from the nazis and had no idea what was going on despite the events of the evening prior etc.

I get the sense it would have been hard to miss. I do judge the folks that stood figuratively beside them and did nothing or participated for any reason.... especially if they tried to hang it on a statue.

teedubbya wrote:

there were prolly alot of spectators there who didn't give a chit about the statue just watching also.. are they nazis for being there..?? are the cops nazis for not stopping the fights or are they anti-nazis..??

DrafterX wrote: