gummy jones
8 years ago
this guy making sense and stuff. must be an "uncle tom"

https://townhall.com/columnists/walterewilliams/2017/10/03/blacks-vs-police-n2389488 

Let's throw out a few numbers so we can put in perspective the NFL players taking a knee during the playing of the national anthem. Many say they are protesting against police treatment of blacks and racial discrimination. We might ask just how much sense their protest makes.

According to The Washington Post, 737 people have been shot and killed by police this year in the United States. Of that number, there were 329 whites, 165 blacks, 112 Hispanics, 24 members of other races and 107 people whose race was unknown. In Illinois, home to one of our most dangerous cities -- Chicago -- 18 people have been shot and killed by police this year. In the city itself, police have shot and killed ten people and shot and wounded ten others. Somebody should ask the kneeling black NFL players why they are protesting this kind of killing in the Windy City and ignoring other sources of black death.

Here are the Chicago numbers for the ignored deaths. So far in 2017, there have been 533 murders and 2,880 shootings. On average, a person is shot every two hours and 17 minutes and murdered every 12 1/2 hours. In 2016, when Colin Kaepernick started taking a knee, Chicago witnessed 806 murders and 4,379 shootings. It turns out that most of the murder victims are black. Adding to the tragedy is the fact that Chicago has a 12.7 percent murder clearance rate. That means that when a black person is murdered, his perpetrator is found and charged with his murder less than 13 percent of the time.

Similar statistics regarding police killing blacks versus blacks killing blacks apply to many of our predominantly black urban centers, such as Philadelphia, Baltimore, New Orleans, St. Louis and Oakland. Many Americans, including me, see the black NFL player protest of police brutality as pathetic, useless showboating. Seeing as these players have made no open protest against the thousands of blacks being murdered and maimed by blacks, they must view it as trivial in comparison with the police killings. Most of the police killings fit into the category of justified homicide.

NFL players are not by themselves. How much condemnation do black politicians, civil rights leaders, and liberal whites give to the wanton black homicides in our cities? When have you heard them condemning the very low clearance rate, whereby most black murderers get away with murder? Do you believe they would be just as silent if it were the Ku Klux Klan committing the murders?

What's to blame for this mayhem? If you ask an intellectual, a leftist or an academic in a sociology or psychology department, he will tell you that it is caused by poverty, discrimination and a lack of opportunities. But the black murder rate and other crime statistics in the 1940s and '50s were not nearly so high as they are now. I wonder whether your intellectual, leftist or academic would explain that we had less black poverty, less racial discrimination and far greater opportunities for blacks during earlier periods than we do today. He'd have to be an unrepentant idiot to make such an utterance.

So what can be done? Black people need to find new heroes. Right now, at least in terms of the support given, their heroes are criminals such as Baltimore's Freddie Gray, Ferguson's Michael Brown and Florida's Trayvon Martin. Black support tends to go toward the criminals in the community rather than to the overwhelming number of people in the community who are law-abiding. That needs to end. What also needs to end is the lack of respect for and cooperation with police officers. Some police are crooked, but black people are likelier to be victims of violent confrontations with police officers than whites simply because blacks commit more violent crimes than whites per capita.

For a race of people, these crime statistics are by no means flattering, but if something good is to be done about it, we cannot fall prey to the blame games that black politicians, black NFL players, civil rights leaders and white liberals want to play. If their vision is accepted, we can expect little improvement of the status quo.

victor809
8 years ago
Dumb article
TMCTLT
8 years ago

Dumb article

victor809 wrote:




That was the weakest response ever Victor, article's SPOT ON and you know it.....and so do the KNEELERS
TMCTLT
8 years ago

Trump can f**** off. This is none of his business. He should be thinking of the people in Puerto Rico and the USVI and get his inept cabinet members off their butt.

Markemiles wrote:




Nice first post cupcake, were you sheltered and safe when you typed this? The word Parrot comes to mind here....do you have ANY idea the work that needed to be done BEFORE aid could be distributed there????
ZRX1200
8 years ago
Since Collin Kapernick started his "I'm not good enough to play/ BLM" protest the NFL's ratings are down 17%.

The league is holding emergency meetings as their sponsors are fielding enough calls that they are yapping at the league.

LMAO.
victor809
8 years ago

That was the weakest response ever Victor, article's SPOT ON and you know it.....and so do the KNEELERS

TMCTLT wrote:



No. The article doesn't deserve any more credit than that. Technically neither do you, as I've heard you use the same dumb argument before. It's no wonder you think it's a smart article.

If you can't tell the difference between the issue of a government supported and controlled police force potentially targeting a specific race, and general violence then you've lived in a dumb little bubble. Doesn't matter if general violence kills millions and millions. The two can never be compared. In general violence there is at least a chance of justice, of seeing the criminal tired and convicted.

But you keep beating that dumb drum...
victor809
8 years ago

Since Collin Kapernick started his "I'm not good enough to play/ BLM" protest the NFL's ratings are down 17%.

The league is holding emergency meetings as their sponsors are fielding enough calls that they are yapping at the league.

LMAO.

ZRX1200 wrote:



Dude protests what he perceives to be racial injustice and Z's reaction is "Ha Ha the league is losing ratings and may lose sponsors"....

Keeping it classy Z. Keeping it classy.

What does money and fans have to do with protesting any issue, whether it be racial or abortion or religion?
victor809
8 years ago
He's a person. Doesbt mean he can't write an entire article of false equivalency.


TMCTLT
8 years ago

No. The article doesn't deserve any more credit than that. Technically neither do you, as I've heard you use the same dumb argument before. It's no wonder you think it's a smart article.

If you can't tell the difference between the issue of a government supported and controlled police force potentially targeting a specific race, and general violence then you've lived in a dumb little bubble. Doesn't matter if general violence kills millions and millions. The two can never be compared. In general violence there is at least a chance of justice, of seeing the criminal tired and convicted.

But you keep beating that dumb drum...

victor809 wrote:




SOSDD from you....your a race baiter just like Cappersnickerdoodle. Tell me sumthin racebaiter....why is it that virtually NO OTHER IF ANY other NFL players kneeled and pouted with Cappy when she first started kneeling? BTW for context ( done while Barry squatted in the WH. and constantly stirred the racial pot)

Not until Donald Trump was nominated did the other SJW's join him in his protest. So this has become a protest of DONALD TRUMP not blacks being shot by LEO's.....so keep tossing your race card.
MACS
8 years ago
https://scholar.harvard.edu/fryer/publications/empirical-analysis-racial-differences-police-use-force 

Abstract:
This paper explores racial differences in police use of force. On non-lethal uses of force, blacks and Hispanics are more than fifty percent more likely to experience some form of force in interactions with police. Adding controls that account for important context and civilian behavior reduces, but cannot fully explain, these disparities. On the most extreme use of force –officer-involved shootings – we find no racial differences in either the raw data or when contextual factors are taken into account. We argue that the patterns in the data are consistent with a model in which police officers are utility maximizers, a fraction of which have a preference for discrimination, who incur relatively high expected costs of officer-involved shootings.

What about a study done by a black Harvard professor? The 'kneelers' are protesting blacks being killed by police, right?
victor809
8 years ago

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SOSDD from you....your a race baiter just like Cappersnickerdoodle. Tell me sumthin racebaiter....why is it that virtually NO OTHER IF ANY other NFL players kneeled and pouted with Cappy when she first started kneeling? BTW for context ( done while Barry squatted in the WH. and constantly stirred the racial pot)

Not until Donald Trump was nominated did the other SJW's join him in his protest. So this has become a protest of DONALD TRUMP not blacks being shot by LEO's.....so keep tossing your race card.

TMCTLT wrote:



This word salad of yours is meaningless.

your argument is that because only one player chose to protest that..... what?

You are not sounding smart. The things you are saying are not smart. Maybe you need to sit for a little and compose your thoughts, write something out in a straightforward manner... state the theme of your post, your supporting arguments, that sort of thing. This is just a senseless mess.
victor809
8 years ago

https://scholar.harvard.edu/fryer/publications/empirical-analysis-racial-differences-police-use-force

Abstract:
This paper explores racial differences in police use of force. On non-lethal uses of force, blacks and Hispanics are more than fifty percent more likely to experience some form of force in interactions with police. Adding controls that account for important context and civilian behavior reduces, but cannot fully explain, these disparities. On the most extreme use of force –officer-involved shootings – we find no racial differences in either the raw data or when contextual factors are taken into account. We argue that the patterns in the data are consistent with a model in which police officers are utility maximizers, a fraction of which have a preference for discrimination, who incur relatively high expected costs of officer-involved shootings.

What about a study done by a black Harvard professor? The 'kneelers' are protesting blacks being killed by police, right?

MACS wrote:



now this is interesting.

I have to take a while to read the study. On the surface he is showing difference in arrest methods etc, but no statistical difference in odds of shooting. This applies to the argument and is worth looking at. Thank you MACS.
TMCTLT
8 years ago

This word salad of yours is meaningless.

your argument is that because only one player chose to protest that..... what?

You are not sounding smart. The things you are saying are not smart. Maybe you need to sit for a little and compose your thoughts, write something out in a straightforward manner... state the theme of your post, your supporting arguments, that sort of thing. This is just a senseless mess.

victor809 wrote:




You ARE a race baiting SOB....it's just that simple. For someone who THINKS he's smart and maybe even has a piece of paper to show as much ( LMAO ) your one dumb SOB. You are a senseless mess....maybe you need to come up with a better argument.
victor809
8 years ago

You ARE a race baiting SOB....it's just that simple. For someone who THINKS he's smart and maybe even has a piece of paper to show as much ( LMAO ) your one dumb SOB. You are a senseless mess....maybe you need to come up with a better argument.

TMCTLT wrote:



Well... that's an interesting theme for your post. But you neglected to provide any supporting arguments.

I think you should try to do better.
TMCTLT
8 years ago

Well... that's an interesting theme for your post. But you neglected to provide any supporting arguments.

I think you should try to do better.

victor809 wrote:




Show me where I'm wrong about NO OTHER NFL members joining the whining little SOB during his protest UNTIL TRUMP WAS ELECTED.....


SHOW ME
victor809
8 years ago
Why?

What's your theme?

State your theme and provide your arguments in a logical straightforward manner. I'm tired of trying to interpret your point.
DrafterX
8 years ago
SHOW ME DA MONEY..!! 😠
MACS
8 years ago
Um... Paul, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but a few other 49ers joined him and even a few members of other teams joined in last year. 49er safety Eric Reid comes to mind.

Now, it didn't get crazy like it is now until Trump stated that the kneelers should be fired.
gummy jones
8 years ago

Show me where I'm wrong about NO OTHER NFL members joining the whining little SOB during his protest UNTIL TRUMP WAS ELECTED.....


SHOW ME

TMCTLT wrote:



there were others last year on a few teams
it did grow this year and especially after trump called them out
although kaep was the first, he wasnt the only
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