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teedubbya
Herf-A-Holic

6 years ago

#341

he could have not disbanded some of the pandemic prep that had already been done. Including the playbook and the position in nsc.

He could have mobilized resources in January when folks were urging him to.

He could have realized this isn’t the flu as folks were trying to tell him and seen it for what it is. Folks were trying to get his attention. (We only have 15 cases and it should be close to zero soon)

I can’t say it enough. This isn’t a surprise and isn’t unbelievable. Another will come. But his mantra is it’s a surprise and unbelievable.

He tore down Obama era plans because well. Obama.

His bs cost us this time. Bigly.

I could go on but you really don’t want to know and can’t be convinced. He’s normally a bumbling fool and it’s embarrassing. This time we were damaged MORE because of him. It’s not his fault but it’s worse because of him.

teedubbya
Herf-A-Holic

6 years ago

#342

And to top it off he’s a poopy head.

DrafterX
Herf-A-Holic

6 years ago

#343

Well, if we had known Frank and I coulda convinced him.. you shoulda said somethin... 😟

MACS
Herf-A-Holic

6 years ago

#344

Welp... can't say nobody here has tested positive for it any more. A deputy from another team did.

At present, nobody on my team is even sick.

teedubbya
Herf-A-Holic

6 years ago

#345

Good luck brother. Get through the next few weeks.

DrafterX
Herf-A-Holic

6 years ago

#346

It's warming up so it'll be gone soon.. 😟

DrafterX
Herf-A-Holic

6 years ago

#347

I'm just glad we got 350 million dollars going to the Kennedy center so we can stop it... 😟

MACS
Herf-A-Holic

6 years ago

#348

Found out that our local costco is open from 7am-8am Tuesday and Thursday for first responders.

Cops, fire, doctors, nurses...

Very cool.

danmdevries
Herf-A-Holic

6 years ago

#349

Found out that our local costco is open from 7am-8am Tuesday and Thursday for first responders.

Cops, fire, doctors, nurses...

Very cool.

MACS wrote:

I rarely do the Costco thing, but Meijers (big box store in the midwest) gives us an hour on Monday and Wednesday mornings. And they enforce it, you need your badge to get in.

I went last Monday and it was nice. Huge line outside when I walked out at 0755.

Very nice gesture.

danmdevries
Herf-A-Holic

6 years ago

#350

It's warming up so it'll be gone soon.. 😟

DrafterX wrote:

No. It won't.

This is going to be with us well into the summer before we even start to think we're getting a handle on things.

Edited by user 6 years ago | Reason: Not specified

tonygraz
Herf-A-Holic

6 years ago

#351

Most big grocery stores here have reduced their hours, but also have an early morning first hour for seniors and other at risk folks. We did three trips to those stores yesterday at early hours and no one was questioned as to whether they qualified. Last night they announced a limit of 50 customers in a store at the same time. A 35 year old, recently married died today of the corona and his wife is in critical condition.

Sunoverbeach
Herf-A-Holic

6 years ago

#352

Meijers is only Midwest? Ya other poor bastids are missing out on a marginally better class of Walmart

victor809
Herf-A-Holic

6 years ago

#353

I wasn’t talking to you. I was talking to Mr. Frank. Stay out of our conversation.

Bones33 wrote:

Wasn't your entire comment because frank specifically called out my name in a question?

Wouldn't that imply you should have "stayed out of our conversation"?

Or do rules only apply to other people in your head?

victor809
Herf-A-Holic

6 years ago

#354

Here's a paper that's apparently scheduled for publication in May2020. It serves as a review of actual research done on chloroqunone over the decades:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0166354220301145?via%3Dihub

It's very short, and very easy to read. Bottom line?

There have been about 6 different in-vitro studies showing antiviral effects of chloroquinone
but every time the studies are moved to in vivo, they fail to show any effect.

In two of the animal studies it actually made the infection worse due to some specific properties of the drug

The authors note the studies going on in china now, and are encouraging the release of preliminary data as soon as possible.

The authors also note the very narrow toxic range of chloroquinone (this is how idiots who try to prescribe for themselves end up in critical care. It has very little to do with the source of the material, aquarium or not)

I know you guys want to be hopeful and sh$t. But I don't see a real reason to be yet.

danmdevries
Herf-A-Holic

6 years ago

#355

We're not seeing any difference with plaquenil/azith.

Giving it to the sick ones to try to do something.

But its certainly not the miracle cure touted

victor809
Herf-A-Holic

6 years ago

#356

We're not seeing any difference with plaquenil/azith.

Giving it to the sick ones to try to do something.

But its certainly not the miracle cure touted

danmdevries wrote:

I'm thinking it's the same reason people tout some of those cold cures.
With a certain percentage of people who are sick, given time, they get better.

"I had the cold and took that zinc de-snotifier! In 5 days I was better!"
..... Huh. Most people get better in 5 days.

"I had the coronavirus and took Puddin's Patented Pulmonary PeP and I got better!" ...
.... quick, go on Fox News and tell everyone!

(let's ignore the people who took it and didn't get better in almost the exact percentage of the illness mortality)

This is why double blinded studies have to be done for any actual believable data

Edited by user 6 years ago | Reason: Not specified

Gene363
Herf-A-Holic

6 years ago

#357

victor809 wrote:

It's always critical to use genuine placebo for reliable results.

The escape pod: https://cigarbid.freeforums.net

danmdevries
Herf-A-Holic

6 years ago

#358

We all want a cure.

We all want TREATMENT.

But there is none.

It's a function of how this virus works. It directly destroys lung cells in its replication cycle. It's like a fast track to emphysema - consolidating airspaces into cavities that no longer work. Then the body's reaction to the dead cells ends up with tissue swelling and further damage.

Initial viral load seems to be a deciding factor for those of us that are getting exposed. Get a small load and the body can react properly, create antibodies, and fight it off. But if you take in a large load up front, the tissue destruction in the lungs is too great to fight off, as that is the first step in the virus's attack. Once your lungs are fried, they're fried, and you're fuxxed.

Pudding Mittens
Herf-A-Holic

6 years ago

#359

You know it’s also possible a drug can be taken and someone gets better having nothing to do with the drug.

It’s also possible the next person taking it has catastrophic effects due to it. That’s why the trials are done.

teedubbya wrote:

Of course. But trials take time, people are dying, this stuff looks like it works, and it's relatively safe for most people especially at the short 5-day treatment course they're using for COVID-19 (and of course docs can exclude the rare people who shouldn't have it) and safety testing for "catastrophic effects" was completed decades ago.

Risk vs. benefit, exigent circumstances, all that. Do the studies, but don't wait for them, in this particular case.

Also, think we're repeating this same stuff at this point, so I'm gonna stop.
.

Edited by user 6 years ago | Reason: Not specified

USNGunner
Herf-A-Holic

6 years ago

#360

Pudding Mittens wrote:

Yeah. Doom, gloom, and pessimism don't help anyone. Hell, there's enough of that now. 😣

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