MACS
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5 years ago
You've heard a lot about Big Oil, Big Pharma, Big Tech and all the other big bad players out there. I want to talk to you about the biggest, baddest one of them all. This Goliath doesn't deal in billions. It deals in trillions. I'm talking about… Big Green.

Yes, the Environmental Movement. It's the richest, most powerful "Big" in the world right now. Nothing else even comes close. Until we see it for what it is and reign it in, it's going to get even bigger. And as is usually the case, bigger is not always better. You see, Big Green wants to take over your life. It has to. This makes perfect sense. Big Green, after all, intends to save the planet from oblivion. Your freedom would seem to be a small price to pay.

To accomplish its mission Big Green needs two things: Money. And power. It already has a lot of both. But it's hungry for much more. Who do we mean when we say Big Green? We mean the major organizations that set the agenda for the movement. This would include, among dozens: Greenpeace. 350.Org. Nature Conservancy. Sierra Club. World Wildlife Fund. And, of course, the politicians, bureaucrats, corporations, and media outlets who support and promote their agenda.

Before we get any deeper into this, let's stipulate a few things. The climate is changing. It appears, though we can't be sure, to be slowly warming. If it continues to warm, it could cause serious environmental problems sometime in the distant future. Industrialization probably plays a role in this warming process. Reasonable people should be able to agree on this. Democrat leader Nancy Pelosi and Republican leader Newt Gingrich actually once sat down together and said as much in a public service ad they made in the 1990s.

But Big Green has no interest in being reasonable. Reasonable doesn't get you money. Reasonable doesn't get you power. So, let's talk about the money. Greenpeace, Nature Conservancy, World Wildlife Fund, and Sierra Club all have financial assets in the $100 to $300 million-dollar range. Name a Fortune 500 company and chances are they're writing big checks to Big Green. Banking giant, Citigroup, for example, has committed $100 billion to "combat climate change."

But the real money is at the government level. In 2009 the Obama Administration directed more than $110 billion to be spent on renewable energy "investments" under the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act alone. What the taxpayer got for this investment other than long-forgotten $500 million-dollar boondoggles -- like Solyndra -- is hard to say.

According to the best economic models, the Paris Climate Accord will cost the world $1 to 2 trillion every year. Total cost for The Green New Deal: $52 trillion—minimum. But money is only a means to an end. The end is power. The power to transform society into what they think it should be. That's what this is really about.

Here's how Saikat Chakrabarti, the architect of the Green New Deal described it to the Washington Post: "…it wasn't originally a climate thing at all…we really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing." Maybe you like all this. That's fine. But don't pretend it's about protecting the environment.

Chakrabarti was being honest. You should be, too. It's about transferring more and more power to the government—at every level: federal, state, local. And the way to get the power is to gin up scary scenarios. The planet is burning. The seas are rising. We're all going to be dead soon unless we listen to those masters of disaster, Al Gore, Bill McKibben, and Greta Thunberg.

And what have all their horror stories led to? A generation of young people who have nightmares about a planet burning up around them. Poor people who pay higher energy bills than they need to because of massive subsidies for wind and solar power. Millions of birds, including endangered ones, dying, sliced to pieces by wind turbines.

Yet, in the midst of all the-planet-is-burning fearmongering, the world is cleaner, healthier, and richer than it has ever been. Deaths from natural disasters are at all-time lows. Here's why: Human beings adapt when faced with climate problems. We're really good at it. We've been doing it for thousands of years.

Sea levels rising? Build taller and better sea walls. That's what the Netherlands did. A good chunk of the country, including its international airport, is below sea level. Need more water? Spread the gospel of drip irrigation and desalination. Israel has more water than it needs and it's in the middle of a desert. Need clean energy? Build more nuclear power plants. Sweden gets half of its energy from nuclear.

None of these simple, practical solutions makes much of an impact on Big Green. You don't raise money off of common sense and you don't get political power telling people how good things are and you certainly don't become famous by being calm. Big Green is not poor, not honest, and certainly not powerless. It's time we all plug in to that truth.

Author: Rogan O'Handley, aka DC Draino
delta1
5 years ago
OK, another money-making scheme that needs to be regulated...
Dg west deptford
5 years ago
Especially considering the biggest polluter of all time is a little agency called the EPA
Speyside
5 years ago
DG, how about backing that up with truth it is BS otherwise. MACS, absolutly true. Common sense solutions work. Change as much lighting as possible to LED, install high efficiency motors, clean dirty electric. Not sexy, but damn does it save energy. Wind power, don't give it up, change to a better format. Small wind turbines, on flat rooftops. Way way less expensive, economically reasonable, and very doable. Nuclear, way overdue and logical. Common sense should always win the day.
Smooth light
5 years ago
And the earth 🌎 is spinning faster now too... can we all get off.
That maybe make it cool off and slow down.
i'm sooooo scared... life goes on.
izonfire
5 years ago
We need a nuclear winter...
Mr. Jones
5 years ago
You gotta watch that GREEN IS A SCAM DOCUMENTARY that was executive produced by that fat horn rimmed democratic guy everyone hates from Michigan...
Name ???
Michael Moore...

The document ary is called:

"THE PLANET OF THE HUMANS"
1 hr 40 min.

It is EXCELLENT...YOJ GOTTA WATCH IT MACS...
IT PROFESSES THAT "GREEN ENERGY" IS A TOTAL SCAM AND WILL NEVER WORK...
BuckyB93
5 years ago
Solar has come a long way in the past 10 years or so partly due to technological improvements and partly due to government influences. The Investment Tax Credit (ITC) for solar installations (30% federal tax credit for both commercial and residential installations) was put in place in 2005 and has been extended in various forms up through today. This increased demand for new solar installs but the efficiency of the panels back then really wasn't good enough to compete with "standard" methods of electricity generation.

https://www.seia.org/solar-industry-research-data ).

However, the Chinese and other Asian countries began flooding the market with their solar panels and choked out a lot of competition in the mid 2010's. Tariffs have been in place on these imports but the Trump administration really put the screws to the Chinese with an additional 25% in 2018. This pseudo-tax on Chinese silicon based solar panels boosted the US solar industry and currently 2 of the top 10 solar companies are now located in the US (First Solar and Q Cells). Not to be outdone, them shifty Chinese figured out how to get around the tariff by building plants in other countries Asian countries and one in the US (how dare they add US jobs).

The initial structure of the ITC has it dropping from 30% down to 26% in 2020, 22% in 2021, and in 2022 phase out to 0% for residential installs but stay at a permanent 10% for industrial installs. Recent legislation pushed the ITC phase out period for another 2 yrs (26% until 2022, 22% in 2023 and so on).

Biden has said that he will keep the Trump solar tariffs and stuff in place for now. It's still a balancing act since this only helps the solar panel manufacturers while domestic solar installers and support systems, which employ many more people than the relatively small U.S. solar manufacturing sector, largely oppose the tariffs.

All that said, electricity generation from solar installs are now economically competitive with their fossil fuel ancestors due to both tech improvements and government intervention. I'm not a big supporter of the government messing around with a free economy but in this case I'd say the outcome was positive. Green energy investments might be the dotcom of the 2020's.


frankj1
5 years ago
wow, Bucky.
Thanks.
now we need to have borndead weigh in on wind.
BuckyB93
5 years ago

wow, Bucky.
Thanks.
now we need to have borndead weigh in on wind.

frankj1 wrote:



Last term in microeconomics we had a handful of firms to to choose from. I picked First Solar for the term paper-thingie.

Tried to spin the First Solar success story. They use thin film cadmium telluride rather than silicon for their panels. Trump's tariff on solar panels singled out silicon panels. This allowed First Solar to import some of their panels made over seas without paying the tariff and thereby getting a little of an edge in price.

In reality though, China is kicking our a$$es in solar stuff. The tariff is just holding back the flood right now. The Asian market is huge for solar and the supporting systems. Good or bad, without the gubment the only real domestic solar industry would be for installation and maintenance. Components would all be coming from the greater Asia regions.

Tesla is actually getting into the solar stuff too - his electric cars have a common element with solar installations: batteries and power electronics (inverters and stuff).

Ya' Bastid! You took my NINE!
frankj1
5 years ago

Last term in microeconomics we had a handful of firms to to choose from. I picked First Solar for the term paper-thingie.

Tried to spin the First Solar success story. They use thin film cadmium telluride rather than silicon for their panels. Trump's tariff on solar panels singled out silicon panels. This allowed First Solar to import some of their panels made over seas without paying the tariff and thereby getting a little of an edge in price.

In reality though, China is kicking our a$$es in solar stuff. The tariff is just holding back the flood right now. The Asian market is huge for solar and the supporting systems. Good or bad, without the gubment the only real domestic solar industry would be for installation and maintenance. Components would all be coming from the greater Asia regions.

Tesla is actually getting into the solar stuff too - his electric cars have a common element with solar installations: batteries and power electronics (inverters and stuff).

Ya' Bastid! You took my NINE!

BuckyB93 wrote:


solarcity?
seem to recall some incest controversy.
BuckyB93
5 years ago
Yeah, Musk and Tesla absorbed SolarCity back in 2016.
frankj1
5 years ago
I'm not a Musk critic. But I know there's been a lot of noise (valid or otherwise) about his blood relationship going back many years with the company.
Despite that, I continue to believe some of his visions will be normal everyday stuff in the next decade.
Mr. Jones
5 years ago
Watch :

"The Planet of the Humans"

On Netflix or YouTube...

It is EXCELLENT...
Green ENERGY is a M.Y.T.H. AND A BIG HOAX by billionaires who want to steal everyone's money.
RayR
5 years ago

Yeah, Musk and Tesla absorbed SolarCity back in 2016.

BuckyB93 wrote:



I live near Buffalo, where the Solar City “gigafactory” is here. Where's the beef? Where's the great news? (crickets) Andrew Cuomo's massive fascist “Buffalo Billion” corporate welfare scheme was supposed to spent $750 million (not his money) into building the solar factory, actually New York taxpayers doled out $959 million to build Tesla’s factory, including equipment purchases, going $209 million over the original expected budget, and hasn't delivered anything but empty promises (as usual). Greenie anti-capitalism at it's finest!
Tesla had partnered with Panasonic to jointly use the Buffalo plant to produce PV cells and modules. Panasonic announced it was bailing out last spring and the their last employees were supposed to be gone by September. What going on there now? Who knows?!

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/26/tesla-panasonic-said-to-end-joint-solar-cell-production-at-buffalo-factory.html 

Tainted by corruption
https://nypost.com/2019/08/28/cuomos-buffalo-billion-tainted-tesla-solar-city-faces-audit/ 

bgz
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5 years ago
RayRay... why do you care what New York does?

Just read through them... didn't see anything glaring... 2020 happened, so Tesla is probably going to get penalized...

New York is a known liberal state... so why do you care what they do?
MACS
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5 years ago
^He just said he lives near Buffalo... prolly why he cares. Not hard to follow.
Dg west deptford
5 years ago
Seems google has made it a bit tougher to find all the monstrous failures the EPA is responsible for. All the lists & epic fails used to come right up when you put "biggest american polluter" in the search bar.

But here's one of the many doozies the EPA owns.

NPR
EPA Says It Released 3 Million Gallons Of Contaminated Water ...
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/08/10/431223703/epa-says-it-released-3-million-gallons-of-contaminated-water-into-river 

delta1
5 years ago
thanks for the insight on solar, Bucky...

our house in Corona, SoCal has 35 solar panels on the roof, installed and paid for by the original owner in 2012...they generate enough electricity to pay our electric bill all year long, provide a cash back credit at the end of the year (only get pennies on the dollar though) and contribute a net gain to the grid each month...

CA has built quite a few solar farms out in the desert, harvesting electricity...
frankj1
5 years ago

Seems google has made it a bit tougher to find all the monstrous failures the EPA is responsible for. All the lists & epic fails used to come right up when you put "biggest american polluter" in the search bar.

But here's one of the many doozies the EPA owns.

NPR
EPA Says It Released 3 Million Gallons Of Contaminated Water ...
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/08/10/431223703/epa-says-it-released-3-million-gallons-of-contaminated-water-into-river 

Dg west deptford wrote:


I know it's not what you were going for, but the end of the article was the most interesting part to me as the main story was about an accident, not a "who gives a chit" release of poison by a huge industry.

But how all the poisons got there in the water in the first place is probably not what you want people to understand.
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