HockeyDad
4 years ago
Checked for appointments for my booster and nothing was available around me. For shots #1 and #2 I drove quick some distance to the hood to get those. That was back when it was vax up or mask up and my government promised me freedom if I got vaccinated. I’m still under a mask mandate so I’m not going any further the neighborhood CVS.
MACS
4 years ago
Interestingly enough... the US Navy Union Jack is flown from the bow of US Navy warships.

It is red and white, with a snake, and the words "Don't Tread On Me".
Speyside2
4 years ago
MACS, the vaccine is science backed. But the messaging is wrong and has had inaccuracies. Flu vaccine does not prevent catching and transmitting the flu. Same thing here. So it is weighing the benifit/risk. For me the benifit far outweighs the risk IMHO. I was at one point in 6 of the high risk catagories. Now I am in 3. Age, heart damage, historical compromised immune system on both sides of the family. I have 3 moderna jabs, as I should. Does this stop me from being infected by a different varient? No, hell no!! Does this drastically decrease the infection severity? Yes, hell yes!!

The bottom line IMHO, anyone at high risk needs to be vaccinated up the Ying Yang. They also need to be taking other precautions. Should they hide in fear? No, hell no.

Everyone else? The benifit/risk is entirely a different algorithm. Each person figures it out for themselves. I now feel I was wrong.this is an individual decision. Is this significantly worse than the Flu? IMHO, yes. Is it polio, small pox, Spanish flu bad? IMHO, no.

Just my 2 cents, no argument intended or wanted.
MACS
4 years ago
And in almost 2 years 800k people have died from it... out of 370 million in the US.

That's a fraction of one percent. It's .00216 of one percent according to my handy dandy calculator. Of course, that's out of total population... not those actually infected by it.

How do you explain the outbreaks in highly "vaccinated" areas? Gibralter, for example?

If you get a small pox vaccine... or Measles, mumps, rubella vaccine... you don't contract those diseases. You're immune. Same with polio. Same with every other vaccination.

The flu shot has always been called a "flu shot" and never a vaccine.

But we can agree 100% that whether or not you decide to get the shot should be a personal decision and not forced by the gov't.
Speyside2
4 years ago
Yes we can, if you want to call it the covid shot I am fine with that. My basic point was for high risk groups the raw data supports them getting the shots. Syptomatic illness, hospitalizations, severe illness, and death are all noticably decreased by the shots. I prefer to use the EU numbers, they do a better job of breaking out the high risk groups. Since any data can be manipulated to make a point, I find the raw data itself to be useful.
Brewha
4 years ago

And in almost 2 years 800k people have died from it... out of 370 million in the US.

That's a fraction of one percent. It's .00216 of one percent according to my handy dandy calculator. Of course, that's out of total population... not those actually infected by it.

How do you explain the outbreaks in highly "vaccinated" areas? Gibralter, for example?

If you get a small pox vaccine... or Measles, mumps, rubella vaccine... you don't contract those diseases. You're immune. Same with polio. Same with every other vaccination.

The flu shot has always been called a "flu shot" and never a vaccine.

But we can agree 100% that whether or not you decide to get the shot should be a personal decision and not forced by the gov't.

MACS wrote:


I find it incredible that you see these as valid arguments. But god knows you sure do….
RayR
4 years ago
Our County Executive (a progtard lizard) has reinstituted the stuck-on-stupid mask mandate for indoor public places

Our local radio talk show Tom Bauerle who is double vaxxed but got the COVID anyway talks briefly with Dr. Jane M. Orient, M.D., Executive Director of The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) about masks and the vaccines.
Warning!: Not what those that think they follow the science want to hear.

https://www.audacy.com/podcasts/bauerle-20325/11-22-hour-2-dr-jane-orient-joins-bauerle-to-discuss-the-latest-erie-county-mask-mandate-968790392 
Brewha
4 years ago

MACS, the vaccine is science backed. But the messaging is wrong and has had inaccuracies. Flu vaccine does not prevent catching and transmitting the flu. Same thing here. So it is weighing the benifit/risk. For me the benifit far outweighs the risk IMHO. I was at one point in 6 of the high risk catagories. Now I am in 3. Age, heart damage, historical compromised immune system on both sides of the family. I have 3 moderna jabs, as I should. Does this stop me from being infected by a different varient? No, hell no!! Does this drastically decrease the infection severity? Yes, hell yes!!

The bottom line IMHO, anyone at high risk needs to be vaccinated up the Ying Yang. They also need to be taking other precautions. Should they hide in fear? No, hell no.

Everyone else? The benifit/risk is entirely a different algorithm. Each person figures it out for themselves. I now feel I was wrong.this is an individual decision. Is this significantly worse than the Flu? IMHO, yes. Is it polio, small pox, Spanish flu bad? IMHO, no.

Just my 2 cents, no argument intended or wanted.

Speyside2 wrote:


You may feel that getting vaxed should be a personal choice, but it’s not just the government that disagrees with you. Large corporations - the true owners of our nation - are installing mandated to keep their interest safer and mitigate risk to profits.

It’s one thing to make the choice not to wear a seatbelt (not that it is a choice within the law) as the danger is to yourself. Not getting vaxed is creating an ongoing risk to others. And yes, I know that this is incomprehensible to some people - but hey, that’s why we have mandates.
HockeyDad
4 years ago



But we can agree 100% that whether or not you decide to get the shot should be a personal decision and not forced by the gov't.

MACS wrote:



I’m forced to get it by the government. Only question is how many.
RayR
4 years ago
Brewha has drunk the extra-strength Fauci flavored Kool-Aid and is completely oblivious to reality. Strong chit.



Stogie1020
4 years ago

You may feel that getting vaxed should be a personal choice, but it’s not just the government that disagrees with you. Large corporations - the true owners of our nation - are installing mandated to keep their interest safer and mitigate risk to profits.

It’s one thing to make the choice not to wear a seatbelt (not that it is a choice within the law) as the danger is to yourself. Not getting vaxed is creating an ongoing risk to others. And yes, I know that this is incomprehensible to some people - but hey, that’s why we have mandates.

Brewha wrote:



Bwahahahahahahahaha.

No, they are not. They are going along with it because they fear OSHA violations.

Exhibit 1: Disney in Florida. 5th Circuit stayed the Fed order, Disney suddenly decided not to enforce the mandate.
RayR
4 years ago
So you're saying that companies who are installing mandates are doing so because of the threat of gubmnet violence? 🤔
What a concept, Brewha would have never thought of that.
MACS
4 years ago

Brewha has drunk the extra-strength Fauci flavored Kool-Aid and is completely oblivious to reality. Strong chit.

RayR wrote:



Not Jonestown strong, though... 🤦
Plowboy221
4 years ago
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2022/01/10/covid-vaccine-pfizer-ceo-says-omicron-vaccine-will-be-ready-in-march.html 


So thankful, hopefully now they have this vaccine figured out they can start working on the Flurona vaccine and get it rolled out soon as well……
BuckyB93
4 years ago
"Moderna CEO warns people may need fourth Covid shot as efficacy of boosters likely to decline over time"

Moderna already greasing the skids to push for a 4th jab. The vaccine doesn't work so just keep injecting more and more.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/06/moderna-ceo-says-people-may-need-fourth-covid-shot-as-efficacy-of-boosters-likely-to-decline-over-time.html 

MACS
4 years ago
Hey... where's teedub to tell us this is the greatest thing since sliced bread and peanut butter and jelly?

It works! We just don't know the behind the scenes stuff. We couldn't possibly comprehend why a shot that is hailed as great new technology does not protect those who get it from contracting the virus, or spreading it to others.

In fact... read something saying now the majority of hospitalizations are among those who got the shot. Weird, I tell ya...
Sunoverbeach
4 years ago
How do you find Will Smith in the snow?
Follow the fresh prints
DrMaddVibe
4 years ago

Hey... where's teedub to tell us this is the greatest thing since sliced bread and peanut butter and jelly?

It works! We just don't know the behind the scenes stuff. We couldn't possibly comprehend why a shot that is hailed as great new technology does not protect those who get it from contracting the virus, or spreading it to others.

In fact... read something saying now the majority of hospitalizations are among those who got the shot. Weird, I tell ya...

MACS wrote:




According to Dr. Malone...we're seeing why mRNA wasn't pushed forward with HIV.
HockeyDad
4 years ago
The vaccine is great. Thank God for the mandates.

I would say more but I need to go check on my triple vaccinated wife who is in bed on day 5 of being sick with Covid-19.
Speyside2
4 years ago
I would like to see Omicron specific data. Someone somewhere is breaking that out. Yet try to find it.
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