Tobasco
22 years ago

This is one of the most outragous, unproven, illogical statements I've seen.

"nearly all sexual abusers of children are straight white men;

most straight white men are republicans;

the ACLU is defending sexual abusers of children;

Therefore, in defending a group dominated by straight white men, the ACLU is defending republicans.

Simple logic."

Here is a link to set the record strait about Republican & Democrat demographics. JD is incorrect.

http://plsc.uark.edu/arkpoll/fall99/party/PAGE4.HTM 

Mag
sketcha
22 years ago
Good work, Mag. Nicely put too. You started off strong and finished up smoothly and respectfully.

O.K. jd, whatd'ya' got?
Tobasco
22 years ago
sketcha

Thanks, I'm learning...hehe!...:>)

Mag
jdrabinski
22 years ago
Mike, you are tone deaf. I was showing how absurd it is to align this issue with any political party. Of course I don't believe that argument.

Funny thing...no one here actually seems to know what the issue is in court. Or at least we aren't discussing it. Let's think about it. You realize the implication here: if someone bombs a building and looked at my website where there are directions for building a bomb, then I am culpable for their crime. That's a serious breach of my right to free expression. So, while you and I have no sympathy with NAMBLA (we can agree on that), there are big issues in this case.

If the ACLU tends to draw liberals, well, that says something about how conservatives are very comfortable with violating constitutional rights in the name of THEIR morality and religion. Read up on the ACLU. They defend the principles of this country regardless of the belief system of those they defend. Makes me uncomfortable...I could never do it. But that says something about their courage and commitment to this country. Thank god they exist. And, further, if they are so liberal, why did they defend the KKK? That association is just so much nonsense and misunderstanding.

John
Tobasco
22 years ago

John

Going to start with the first insult, huh? Go ahead, you are the one that was unclear, not me. If you didnt really mean what you said, then why not say that this is just a scenario.

Another thing, how is the KKK Republican related?

Mag
Tobasco
22 years ago

Oh, one thing. Dont dig up some ancient history to make your point. Something current please.

Mag
jdrabinski
22 years ago
What party did David Duke run with in Louisiana?
Tobasco
22 years ago
JD

He ran as a Republican. Not embraced by the party though. He was repudiated by the Republican party quite some time ago.

Nice try, but that doesnt cut it. He only ran as a Republican in an attempt to mainstream his racist beliefs.

Give me another one.

Mag
jdrabinski
22 years ago
Yeah, right, he just 'happened' to run as a republican! LOL! Please.

Trent Lott regularly addressed the Council of Conservative Citizens in Mississippi, a new version of the White Citizens Council. Both are known as the 'gentleman's Klan.'

John
cwilhelmi
22 years ago
Mag - Your proof was for Arkansas only, anything with national info?
cwilhelmi
22 years ago
Strom Thurmond? (sp)
Tobasco
22 years ago

John, do you think I made that up? Yea, right. I dont try to mislead, just to support my position. If it seems that way to you, you are wrong. Below is a copy & paste of what I read about him.


As Grand Wizard of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan in the 1970s, David Duke urged Klan members to "get out of the cow pasture and into hotel meeting rooms." For the past 25 years, he has increasingly attempted to follow his own advice, by using code words, and increasingly disguising his ideas behind more mainstream conservative-sounding rhetoric. As a result, in 2000 David Duke remains one of the most dangerous extremists in America.

Starting as a small-time leader of a campus white supremacist organization at Louisiana State University in the early 1970s, Duke, now 49, has had many incarnations. In an attempt to demystify Klan ritual, he renamed the position of Grand Wizard "National Director," and referred to cross burnings as "illuminations." In 1980, Duke resigned from the KKK and formed a "political organization" to promote the cause of "White Rights," The National Association for the Advancement of White People (NAAWP). He has also unsuccessfully attempted to host a racist radio talk show program in Louisiana.

Another tactic in Duke's strategy of "mainstreaming" racism has been his effort to run for political office. Although he was elected to the Louisiana State Legislature in 1989, as a political candidate Duke has been largely unsuccessful, losing bids for Governor and the U.S. Senate in Louisiana, and for President of the United States in 1988 and 1992. Most recently, in May, 1999, he lost the race for US Congress. Although he has been repudiated by the national leadership of the Republican Party, currently he is serving as party chairman for the St. Tamany Parish in Louisiana.

In November 1998, he self-published My Awakening, a 700-page autobiographical magnum opus of Duke's racism, anti-Semitism, and bigotry.

In January 2000, Duke announced the formation of a new organization, NOFEAR (The National Organization For European American Rights), whose purpose is to "defend the civil rights of European Americans."

Since the formation of his new organization, Duke has made no secret of his allegiances to other racist and anti-Semitic organizations. He has reportedly appeared at a variety of extremist events, including a meeting of The American Friends of the British National Party in March, and an American Renaissance conference in April, 2000. In addition, in keeping with the stated goals and political ideology of NOFEAR, he has appeared at various pro-Confederate flag, anti-immigrant, and anti-affirmative action rallies. He also claims to have completed another book, which will be entitled "The Ultimate Supremacism," which he says will be released in the fall of 2000, and is currently working on another book "about the spiritual aspect of the struggle to preserve and protect our heritage."

The following three decades of quotations demonstrate that, no matter how David Duke attempts to recreate himself, his own words reveal that he has always been and remains David Duke, the hatemonger.

Main Entry: re·pu·di·ate
Pronunciation: ri-'pyü-dE-"At
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): -at·ed; -at·ing
Etymology: Latin repudiatus, past participle of repudiare, from repudium rejection of a prospective spouse, divorce, probably from re- + pudEre to shame
Date: 1545
1 : to divorce or separate formally from (a woman)
2 : to refuse to have anything to do with : DISOWN
3 a : to refuse to accept; especially : to reject as unauthorized or as having no binding force b : to reject as untrue or unjust (repudiate a charge)
4 : to refuse to acknowledge or pay
synonym see DECLINE

Sorry its so long.

Mag
jdrabinski
22 years ago
jdrabinski
22 years ago
Jesse Helms?
jdrabinski
22 years ago
And what was that with the bizarre Arkansas link?
Tobasco
22 years ago

Chris, if you read on. It says that this states percentages closely mirror the national stats. Thats why I still went with it.

Mag
cwilhelmi
22 years ago
found it, I'd still like to see how closely it's mirrored, but that's just cause I'm a data geek!!
cwilhelmi
22 years ago
if you look at this I think JD is actually right based on actual voting.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2000/epolls/US/P000.html 
sketcha
22 years ago
Chris,

I don't think that exit poll link you posted has any real bearing on this discussion. I expect a little more from a self described "data geek". : )
cwilhelmi
22 years ago
exit polls have proven to be quite accurate actually, and it's more informative that Arkansas based info. I didn't say it was the grail of data, just another source with data based on actual voting.
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