what do you guys think?

I think man was created in Gods image, and has been making a monkey out of himself ever since 🙂

Both. I never understood why people felt it only had to be one or the other.

puskarich

You make a good point. The moral messages found in the bible are too often lost in arguments about the verifiability of specific details. Unfortunately, this plays right into the hands of those that spurn the idea of a greater power or god.

As I type no doubt, Rick is setting back with devilish glee waiting to pounce.

I have a little joke about this issue:

The Contest

One day a group of scientists got together and decided that man had come a long way and no longer needed God. So they picked one scientist to go and tell Him that they were done with Him. The scientist walked up to God and said, "God, we've decided that we no longer need you. We're to the point that we can clone people and do many miraculous things, so why don't you just go on and get lost."

God listened very patiently and kindly to the man and after the scientist was done talking, God said, "Very well, how about this, let's say we have a man making contest." To which the scientist replied, "OK, great!" But God added, "Now, we're going to do this just like I did back in the old days with Adam." The scientist said, "Sure, no problem" and bent down and grabbed himself a handful of dirt. God just looked at him and said, "No, no, no. You go get your own dirt!"

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I really don't see any conflict between the two.

"Geology shows that fossils are of different ages. Paleontology shows a fossil sequence, the list of species represented changes through time. Taxonomy shows biological relationships among species. Evolution is the explanation that threads it all together. Creationism is the practice of squeeezing one's eyes shut and wailing, "Does not!"

When I read some of these posts I really question my own intelligence. My general studies degree from University of Phoenix is really not that impressive! 🙂

Gene363

"As I type no doubt, Rick is setting back with devilish glee waiting to pounce."

no pouncing. i just thought i'd introduce an interesting topic and see what develops.

it may be too early, what with the football games, but so far nothing has developed.

this what triggered my post:

http://www.sfgate.com./cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2004/01/02/DDG2641IVT1.DTL 

perhaps i have a hair trigger.

Jon Carroll has never written a collumn that didn't p*ss me off ... if there's a human being on the face of the earth who's more of a one-note-Jonny in his constant b*tching about GWB than Rick is, it's Jon Carroll ... as soon as I saw who wrote the article, I didn't bother to read it because it's a nice day here and I didn't want to spoil it by reading any of his crap ...

Rick,

Stirring things up can be great sport.

Being a very happy transplant to South Carolina I expected to be appalled by racism and all the other southern stereotypes. Boy was I wrong! With some exceptions, people here get along and live side by side like no place in America. However, I was amazed at the polarization here on the issue of creation Vs Evolution. I am talking about very educated scientists and engineers. One does have to admire their faith, and there are people that make some complex arguments about science Vs theory.

An excellent magazine for this and other topics is:

Skeptic.

http://www.skeptic.com/ 

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Gene363

thanks for the site. i have it bookmarked to read tonight.

What if...............

God really did create man in his image???? and 17 billion years ago that image was a monkey!!!!! and he never even thought about evolution as a factor in the outcome of what we look like today.

Not sure if that will make sense: 3 crowns on the rocks and an MX2 makes me not think clearly!! lol

Happy Herf`n
Rob

Evolution, revolution, gun control, the sound of soul
shooting rockets to the moon
kids growing up too soon
politicians say more taxes will solve everything

And the band played on

So, round and around and around we go
where the world's headed, nobody knows

Oh, Great Googamooga, can't you hear me talkin' to you
just a Ball of Confusion, oh yeah
that's what the world is today, hey

Give that man a BEER!

Hey donut,

Did Love and Rockets do that first or did they just cover it?

Cigarick says:
"Geology shows that fossils are of different ages. Paleontology shows a fossil sequence, the list of species represented changes through time. Taxonomy shows biological relationships among species. Evolution is the explanation that threads it all together. Creationism is the practice of squeeezing one's eyes shut and wailing, "Does not!"

My response is that

[1] the geologic record only proves that the creatures existed at the point in time when their skeletal remains became fossilized.

[2] taxonomy only proves that certain creatures are bioligically related to each other; taxonomy can prove that my house cat is biologically related to to the zoo's lioness, not that one is evolved from the other.

[3] believing that the universe and all therein is created is not, as you say, the practice of squeezing one's eyes shut and wailing "Does not!" Believing that the world is a created place is the practice of faith and the belief that individual people are special creations of God.

So, in my opinion, evolutionism is the practice of squeezing one's heart shut in an attempt to will God out of existence. After all, if the evolutionists can explain in precise detail something that supposedly happend 50 million years ago, why can't the police solve a murder that only happened last week?

When you look at string theory, it does not preclude the non-existence of a creator as well as many more dimensions.

Science is far from holding all the answers. The fact that we still must use 2 completely different theories to describe the universe (Relativity for the macro and Quantum for the micro) tells us that there's something missing from our understanding.

I think it best to remain open-minded.

"if the evolutionists can explain in precise detail something that supposedly happend 50 million years ago, why can't the police solve a murder that only happened last week?"

A specious argument. Crimes go unsolved because of too little evidence, which is quite different from believing in something for which there is no evidence.

"Blessed is he who believes and does no see"
This is a temporary world. I am a believer in Christ and thus the creation of man. My mind can’t even begin to control or understand the motivations of my own heart and will let alone the origination and direction of an entire world.

Therefore I will do the best I can in all that I do until the day I meet my maker and then I will praise him for eternity.