AVB, did you try it yet? You can simply cut and paste the key words I already typed. That makes it easier. I'm interested to see if you came up with the same number I did. After you do, tell me again if you think the Mossad is associated with torture. You might want to visit a few of the 12K + links. Oh Damn! I gave out the number! Whoops... Well, you may still choose to ignore the volumes of proof out there that says they torture people... And I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that. I'm just saying they do it, and to ignore it or deny it is "folly".

Robby, good luck in getting your answers here. Many here choose to say wild things then NOT explain them when asked. Just a way of life unfortunately. Sad but true. Some here pride themselves on telling people to read their posts SLOWLY, trying to put down the other reader (like someone you're trying to communicate with now...). Maybe you need to take this approach too. Type slower so your point isn't lost them. I think you've been typing too fast, your message seems to have flown right by some here.

Hate Crimes ARE in fact bad. I'm white. It's a hate crime for me to attack someone who's a minority simply because I don't like that particular minority. Yet if they attacked me for the SAME reason it's not a hate crime, just a simple assault (much smaller penalty). If you don't believe me go to a local court and pay attention (it's not written this way, but watch it in practice). Hate crimes are racist and are very biased. Oops, I mentioned the 'bias' word. Doh. I'll stop before some get bored here.

I did type that in and I get interesting websites like Jewwatch, Libertyforum, amenusa but nothing like Time, Newsweek, AP, UPI, etc. etc.. Makes me a bit suspect. Either way, our country, our people and our laws say torture is wrong so you have 3 choices. 1) Live with it. 2)Work to change this. 3) Leave.

I don't find any problem with liking or disliking how others do things as long as you know what is allowed here. Whistful thinking still isn't a crime.



Now if you type in anti-christ you get this:
http://www.geocities.com/trebor_92627/Bush.htm 

You tell me, should we believe everything you read on the 'net?

Just to clarify here...

The law prosecutes crimes based on the intent of the perpatrator, right? Murder 1 is a harsher punishment then Murder 2 or manslaughter because there is planning and forthought to the crime. Hate crimes are punished differently because the intent of the criminal is different, and that sort of intent is usually linked to gangs both on the street and in prison. A petty thug who kicks the crap out of me and takes my money probably isn't tied to anything bigger then himself. A skinhead that attacks me screaming "****! WHY WON'T YOU BREED FOR THE WHITE RACE?!" is probably tied to a gang, which is doing lots of other illegal activities besides just assaulting me (under age drinking, conspiricy to commit assaults and murders, etc).

Yours,
Sheila

AVB, nice try bud, slick and evasive, and I expect that from your side. The bottom line is, the Mossad does indeed torture people. So does the CIA/NSA. So do the KGB, etc. etc. etc., insert your favorite agency here.

Are you truly pollyannaish enough to believe that this doesn't happen? If so, I'd like to enter in to some sort of a legal contract with you…

I would venture a guess that not a single person who's read this post agrees with you that the Mossad does not torture people. Oh they may disagree with me on many issues, they may not like the ways I express my views, or they may, but the bottom line is, you're sitting their trying to tell me gravity doesn't exist and it's making you look like a fool.

They (the Mossad) do torture people. He (Rick) approves of it and agrees that they (the Mossad) are not "them" the terrorists or as bad as the same. So the bottom line here is that I'm right.

Why is it that you must be dragged kicking and screaming to admit something which is on its face factual? Are you really so afraid of your positions on these issues that you can't admit when someone who's views you don't agree with makes a valid point, that they could be right? I may not be right all of the time, but I'm right some of the time and this time damnit, I'm right, you're wrong, Rick is wrong and for you to continue to state this is not true is to show yourself to be incapable of dealing with reality "period". Rick simply uses the ostrich approach, your head appears to be stuck somewhere other than the sand...

Still waiting for Rick "AKA the silent one" to respond...

Sheila, what if they're not tied to a gang? Is the fact that they kicked the crap out of you because you're a homosexual worse than if they kicked the crap out of you because they don't like women with short hair? (no idea on the length of your hair, simply makeing a point). In either case, there you are, and there's your crap. So what's more important? The crap kicking? Or the hate? And why should someone who embraces homosexuality but hates short hair receive a less harsh sentance?

Here you go AVB...

Go to the ap website and put in the key words "Mossad and torture" and do a search of their website...

Results 1 to 10 of 550

How ya gonna spin that one Libby? Oh, wait don't tell me. (crickets? Wind rustling the leaves in the trees? A lone Coyote in the distance?) Right, once again, when confronted with a compelling factual counter, the libbys tuck tail and RUN like French foot troops...

Robby,

I don't want to thread-jack this, so I'll be brief. Hate crimes, in my opinion, carry harsher penalties (and should) because they are seen as more heinous then regular assaults and murders. If I'm robbed, its obvious that the criminal just wanted my money. If I'm beaten up because of my race, religion, sex or sexual orientation, it's because the criminal wants to intimidate me.

Hate crimes are civil terrorism. Their heavier penalties are levied to try and disuade the populace from fighting against itself. Minorities sometimes don't have the community support to defend themselves, so does that mean it's ok for the majority to do what it wants to them when they just want to pursue happiness just like everyone else? In my opinion, no. Desegregation didn't happen without the help of the national guard; hate crime laws are a natural step for the law to ensure that we all just get along.

Yours,
Sheila
"Your Resident Long Haired Lesbian Who Watchs Too Much True Crime"

Sheila, long hair on women is the way to go IMHO.

"Hate crimes, in my opinion, carry harsher penalties (and should) because they are seen as more heinous then regular assaults and murders."

Shelia, if I murder your partner because I want to kill and like the way it feels, and I premeditate it, I stalk her, I plan it, and then I carry it out and kill her. And someone else does the same thing, the only difference being that they did it because she's a homosexual, should they get a harsher sentence than I? According to your logic, the answer is yes. I simply can't square this logically or rationally. It's pure emotion... There's absolutely "nothing" logical about it, and after all, isn't that what the law is about? Fairness? Logic? Impartiality?


“If I'm robbed, its obvious that the criminal just wanted my money.”

Sheila, what if I decide only to rob lesbians? (As I make my demands, I’m overheard chanting “I’m here, you’re queer, now give me you wallet!”) And I do this to punish them, should I be charged differently than someone who robs people indiscriminately? Or more appropriately stated, should someone who simply robs someone for money as opposed to their sexual orientation (I prefer 90 degrees…) should get a lighter sentence than me? The gay bandit?

“If I'm beaten up because of my race, religion, sex or sexual orientation, it's because the criminal wants to intimidate me.”

Shelia, if you’re beaten up for reasons other than your race, religion, sex or sexual orientation, do you believe the person beating you is not trying to intimidate you? I’ve been beaten and not for being anything other than myself in the wrong place and at the wrong time, and let me tell you, it’s pretty damn intimidating having someone beat you. Have you ever been beaten? I speak from experience, do you?

”Hate crimes are civil terrorism. Their heavier penalties are levied to try and disuade the populace from fighting against itself. “

So again, if I murder someone because I don’t like them, and someone else murders someone else because they “hate” the group they are a member of, they should receive a harsher sentence? So do the statistics show that more people are killed because they’re hated for their group affiliation? Or otherwise? I would think more people are killed in non-hate crimes? So why not go after the larger portion of the murders? Why not levy harsher sentences for those who commit murder that is NOT associated with hate crime? Wouldn’t that dissuade more people? Wouldn’t that save more lives? I’m not saying that this should be the case, I’m simply applying your logic to the question.

“Minorities sometimes don't have the community support to defend themselves, so does that mean it's ok for the majority to do what it wants to them when they just want to pursue happiness just like everyone else?”

Ummmm, the last time you checked, were you a human being? I think the current murder and robbery laws apply to you then. Suppose I decide to only have sex with goats from here on in, should I have special status? Should people be prosecuted more strongly if they attack me? Because I’m a goat hoarder?

“In my opinion, no. Desegregation didn't happen without the help of the national guard; hate crime laws are a natural step for the law to ensure that we all just get along.”

Yes, and those laws should be applied to people, ALL people equally. I believe the operative phrase here is “equal justice under the law?” Why should you have special justice? What about my goat fetish?

P.S.,

Still waiting for Rick "AKA the silent one", Soon to be known as "Rick the coward" to respond...

Robby

"They (the Mossad) do torture people. He (Rick) approves of it and agrees that they (the Mossad) are not "them" the terrorists or as bad as the same. So the bottom line here is that I'm right"

tell me where you quoted me from?

as judge mathis says you have lost credibility and no one can believe anything you say, assuming anyone did.

judge milian says do you think i am stupid enough to belive your story.

if you can't shut up.

because as judge judy says, on my worst day, i am smarter then you on your best day.

if you can't, you are a liar and go play somewhere else.

Rick, what about my questions scares the pee out of you? Why do you run from them? Are they difficult? Yes. Do they potentially show you to be a hypocrite? Yes. But you're a big boy, answer the question and end the debate please?

Sheila, I think the point Robby is trying to make (forgive me if I'm mistaken Robby) is that in the 2000 Election, the NAACP made a big issue out of the fact that there were no "hate crime" laws in Texas when a group of racist thugs dragged a black man to death behind a pickup truck. Bush's response was "they're on death row, how much harsher do you want?" Well, how much harsher do you want? To spit on them right before they stick the needle in? Personally, I'm for bringing 'Sparky' back!

If you insist on me digging the quotes up and re-posting, I will, are you denying that you said this? Are you denying that you said "are we them?" with regard to the abuse scandal? Are you denying that you said the mossad is not them?

I think that I'll have to agree to disagree Robby. I'm not a lawyer or a judge, or a criminal phychologist, I'm giving my opinion on why the law is the way it is. Good debate.

Yours,
Sheila.

CW, I believe you've hit the minority squarly on the head.

CWFoster,

That's an excellent point! I'm pro-death penalty as well. IMO, there are some criminals you can't rehabilitate (serial killers, child molesters, etc). The death penalty will not dissuade these kinds of criminals, but when a wolf in a pack is sick, the other wolves take it out, if you know what I mean. "For the betterment of society". With DNA evidance now, there is proof beyond the shadow of a doubt.

Yours,
Sheila

Sheila, thank you for your perspective. Please do not take offense, I was not trying to insult, simply trying to stimulate thought. I particularly enjoyed my "goat hoarder" play on words 😉 And what’s so baaaaaaad about that anyway?

🙂

Yours,
Sheila

You keep saying that I won't respond. I'm sorry I don't do it on your schedule. If you care to read I never said that the Mossad does or doesn't do anything. I said your references were not that good or believable. Now if you could somehow rise above your own self-importance you might realize that. The crickets are not chirping and you are not providing anything new in your posts. Regurgitating the same thing over and over again does nothing to improve your position.

Since you have answered other posts I know that you have read I am an Independent and I think for myself not as others dictate. If you continue with the juvenile insults and insinuations in every post I'll have to respond to others who can present their views with a lot more maturity and maintain a civil discourse. Have a good night.