Charlie, GW was NOT on a humanitarian mission. You right wing nut jobs don't just spin something, rather you just pull it out of thin air all in the name of good ol' GW and keeping the barbarian hords from over running our country, killing our children, and raping our women...........

from your quick response Sonny I can tell you didn't even take the time to read the web site nor view the contents...

as Charlie pointed out WMD's was just one of the reasons... for 12 yrs between the GWI and the second we babysat Saddam Hussain while alot of this was taking place... Babysat while France, Germany and many other countries including Businessmen from the USA were getting Fat on the Money's laundered from Saddam and his Regime...

We spent Billions in 12 yrs Babysitting, but that is besides the point or issue here...

Your Boy, Kerry just the other day admitted he would have went to war against Saddam Hussains Iraq also.. so now where does this leave you bleeding hearts??

the Only Reason I'm staying with Bush on the 2004 and next 4 yrs is because America needs a Man in Office who doesn't back down from his word... and Bush has done what he has said he was going to do...

This War is about Democracy for another Country that has never felt that before... it's about Freedom for a people who have been opressed for so many years...

and since you cannot see past the end of your pocketbook... It's also about bringing a stability to a region that has NEVER had it... Middle East...

So you vote for Flippy and I'll keep my vote for the only reasonable runner up in this 2004 Campain....

Hog

keeping the barbarian hords from over running our country, killing our children, and raping our women...........

Sonny I didn't know you were into Bondage??

You want this in America?? can't get enough of it from Reality TV or the 6 O'Clock News?? have you seen a doctor about these obsessions??

One thing we haven't had is an over run of Hords of Barbarian Terrorist preforming the acts of 911 or other here on American Soil since GW took the War to them on their Soil... but this Opresses you??

Nut Jobs??? WTF...

I've always wanted to ask you Sonny.. was you the WaterBoy on the Football team?? did you get a 4 yr free ride for hauling Gator Aid to the Gladiators??

Ok that was Slant... but backlash for being called a Nut Job LMAO!!!!!!

Hog

First, since when is it our DUTY to impose democracy on everyone on the planet? I am all for it; however, there are places in this world that don't necessarily want the US to come in and set-up their government for them.

Second, I was put on NCAA Medical scholarship after my 3rd knee surgery my 2nd year at LSU and subsequently worked in the recruiting office, then was a student coach my last year. Now, prior to that, I was a high school All-American and the 12th highest rated football player/recruit in LA, MS., AL., and GA (top 50 in the country). Also, I was the 4th strongest high school player in the COUNTRY my senior year. In addition to LSU, I was offered scholarships to over two dozen schools (including Notre Dame).

LOL......I was far from the water boy.

"4th strongest high school player in the COUNTRY my senior year"

Was that the Right Guard roll-on challenge Sonny?

Yo Sonny_LSU:

This great country of ours thanks you for being a "strong-football player", cause God knows if this great country of ours needs anything, it's more "strong-football players.

LOL

JonR

(First, since when is it our DUTY to impose democracy on everyone on the planet? I am all for it; however, there are places in this world that don't necessarily want the US to come in and set-up their government for them.)

Nope thats why we/the world has the UN... think "One World Order"... (and I'm not for that)... but I don't think any country should have to endure the hardships by a dictator, especially one like Saddam was...

Secondly, we need to start another thread (Were are they Now?) sorry to hear about the knee blow-outs...

I've had a few blow-outs in my careers at times also which had me change course and keep on ticking..

now I'm 40 yrs old and heading back to school and different Career field instead of learning how to Kill People I'm gunna learn how to Help People ;0)~~~ and get paid to do it!!!

Hog

Hog you are making a straw man arguement. If we wanted to stop mass graves, WMD, known ties to terrorists, and a proven nuclear program we would be in North Korea, Pakistan or maybe China right now. Saddam isn't even close to being the worst and I don't see us doing much elsewhere.

I am proud of our vets overseas but I'm not proud of the reason they are in Iraq. Afghanistan was most definitely a target as well it should be but I'd rather spend this first 87 billion of the Irag blunder making our country safe and then maybe start chasing despots if that is what the people decide on.

This was an ego war, just to prove to daddy that he can be sucessful at something. It ain't working.

Don't worry! If Kerry is elected he will do away with the combustion engine, just like Gore, and the traffic deaths will go way down. Then again, maybe he won't!

JR., my football bio was a rebutle to Russell rather than a chest-thumping episode.

Now, by all means, our country needs every single able-bodied young person to join the military (whatever)......actually, with GW it may actually be the case, otherwise he is going to eventually tap into our "retired vets/reserves". (Funny......he ran from serving in Vietnam but is more than willing to send everyone else's husbands, wives, sons, and daughters into harms way.) I respect those who proudly serve in our armed forces......that does not necessarily include the GED-clad would be bum who joined the military so he/she wouldn't be homeless. Just by virtue of being in the military does NOT entitle one to be automatically revered......some of these individuals had no other choice other than joining the armed forces (see previous GED statement).

Sonny you said "Funny......he ran from serving in Vietnam but is more than willing to send everyone else's husbands, wives, sons, and daughters into harms way.)"

Would you apply that same statement to Bill Clinton in regards to Kosovo and Bosnia. Hummm what about Somolia

Don't bother with an answer Sonny. I already know where your heart and head are.

Bosnia and Kosivo = Iraq..........I don't think so.

Chief, we're gonna be there for quite a while.....wanna know what is even more scary? The resolve of Muslims extremists. In Vietnam, it was politically motivated, but in the Middle East it's motivated by God (they will and have spun it to fit their Jihad). Want to know how long they'll hold out? Take a look at Isreal/Palestinian issues.......these have been going on for longer than any war we've had x 10. We are in something that even a nuclear weapon won't scare off.....we'd have to kill everyone of them before they'll compromise their beliefs for western democracy. And, if we did turn the whole area into glass, we'd be no better than Adolph himself.......the "bad guys" deserve it, but not the millions of innocent men, women, and children. See, we can sit around bloating ourselves on beer and billow out expensive smoke while we engage in oral dysentary, but back on planet Earth issues are much more complicated.

Yep I guess the soldiers that died under Clintons command mean nothing to you. Its all in the numbers right?

And as far as Iraq. What is your answer. Just withdrawl all our troops and sit back and wait for the Muslim/Terrorist (interchangeable words in my mind)

To come to the USA and then we can do the fighting over here. No one said it was gonna be a cake walk. Make no mistake about it. If we were not there they would be here. They will still bring the fight to our door. But to think that leaving Iraq will curtail that is wishful thinking.

I do beleive that we should do one of two things in Iraq. Either get out now or go all in now. What we are doing now there is not what the military is trained to do. The US military is better at attacking the enemy than being a police force trying to maintain peace . This holy war has been going on for centuries and will continue for many more. Only in the last 40 years has it had an effect on the US. before that we as a country were blisfully ignorant. After 9-11 we received a wake up call. The question now is what to do about it. Do we fight or just line up for the beheadings. One thing for sure is, diplomacy will not work with these people

Sonny answer this for me. What do you think Kerry would do that would protect us more than what Bush is doing?

Thats a question I have asked on the board many times but have never gotten an answer from anyone

You really think that the war in Iraq is keeping the "fight" out of the US??????

So, it was Saddam who was running the Terrorist World! what....the....f%^k....ever!

You speak of blissfully ignorant, well, it is ignorant to spout the "fighting over there or it will be here" analogy. Guess what? Aside from Afganistan, we are fighting no d@mn war that would otherwise be in our backyards! And, NO, Bosnia and Kosovo don't have near the impact that the Iraq war has.

"Yep I guess the soldiers that died under Clintons command mean nothing to you. Its all in the numbers right?" - wow! Talk about spinning it!

Call me petty, but 50-100 casualties versus potentially 1000-2000 is far more heartbreaking.

Also, what the hell is Bush doing to protect us????

Iraq? Nope.....try again.

"Bush the Great Protector" - now that is funny........."in the news today, another roadside bomb goes off outside of Fallujah killing 2 US Marines and wounding 4 others" (sound familiar?)..........good job ol' GW! YEEE HAWWWWW

puke

Sonny Sonny Sonny. Once again instead of answering the questions you choose to go on the attack.

ONE MORE TIME..WHAT WOULD KERRY DO?

What would Kerry do? hmmmmmmmm

Ever here of the saying, "Don't poke an angry bear with a short stick"?

Well, Bush has a rather large stick and loves to poke it. Now, situations such as Afganistan are more than necessary, but Iraq........you know my stance.

How does this relate to Kerry? Well, the man understands the importance of diplomacy. Bullying the rest of the world into buying into our agenda will most definitely bite us on the @ss eventually, at least economically. With a more diplomatic approach to the rest of the world (excluding terrorists....don't spin) we stand a chance at improving wide-spread communications among nations that have otherwise written us off in terms of cooperating in the "war on terror".

Another old saying, "you get more flies with honey.......".

Giving the rest of the world the old number one (Bush) is far less productive than trying to set-up lines of communication (Kerry).

God help us all if you think diplomacy AKA pandering will work with the people that wish us harm.

It won't even work with the French Germans and Russians

as long as they get their oil from terrorist countries in exchange for the weapons they provide

I am not referring to pandering nations that want to "hurt" us. I am referring to old allies and neutral nations we have lost touch with.......come on, man.....stop trying to spin everything!

who is spinning? Your just like Kerry.. "I said this but I mean that"