RICKAMAVEN
21 years ago
in the last few months i have developed a bad case of acid reflux. my doctor has done some tests and tried some different treatments, all to no avail.

he suggested that toby keep a log of when it happens, ie: when did i last eat, what am i doing at the time it strikes, if i'm watching television, what am i watching.

after two weeks we have discovered it does not relate to what i have eaten or when. it traces down to only when i am watching television.

it seems that if toby switches channels the moment bush appears on the screen and before we hear him speak, i do not get that burning sensation in my stomach.

i ama healed.
bloody spaniard
21 years ago
Glad to hear that, Rick.

I get the "runs" myself whenever I see that wolf in sheep's clothing.

Now, he's had his new intelligence bill passed.
Doesn't deal with the border problem but will further erode our rights/privacy.

Also saw a program last night (Discovery Channel?) that glowingly depicted the more than a million good-paying jobs that have been exported to India and the rest of the third world. Texas Instruments, Honeywell, Dell were among about a hundred corporations vying for the cheap labor with constant job fairs, etc. The Indians' "take home" is 80% less than ours- every $200 they get is equivalent to $1,000 for us- yet, they think it's lavish. The Indian/Chinese middle class is thriving and growing exponentially!!! They are shopping, buying homes/cars unlike anything that I've seen here. Why can't these jobs go to Appalachia, the rural red zones, or some of the inner cities?

Bush and the other corporate one-worlders are giddy with glee.
They make me sick.

blood
00camper
21 years ago
"Why can't these jobs go to Appalachia, the rural red zones, or some of the inner cities? "

The reason is as simple as it is complex. The simple answer is that people in Appalachia or in inner cities won't work for less money. Its easier to stay home and collect an unemployment benefit and an AFDC / food stamp card. If those programs didn't exist then the so-called poor whites in Appalachia an the so-called poor blacks in the inner cities would gladly take the jobs offered by TI and Dell.

The complex answer is that the Indians are better educated, have been taught to be polite, and speak better English than their American counterparts.


EI
  • EI
  • Herf-A-Holic
21 years ago
The reason is as simple as it is complex. The simple answer is that people in Appalachia or in inner cities won't work for less money. Its easier to stay home and collect an unemployment benefit and an AFDC / food stamp card

And which party instituted this new form of slavery they call welfare? Where people are taken care of by the government master and don't even have to work in the fields for their food clothing and housing.
Left dependant and inslaved by the people that said they were doing so for their own good.
Any one care to guess?
RICKAMAVEN
21 years ago
it is so easy to point to the welfare mother, the poor and uneducated who are barely kept alive by
what little they get from food stamps, and government assistance.

in the meantime, ken lay has stolen enough money to buy a $6,000.00 shower curtain. and buy a
7 million dollar mansion in the only state in the union that allows one to keep a personal home of
any value, from the bankruptcy courts. imagine a state designed for the big crooks. the mafia
didn't even have it that good.

as long as you fools keep your focus where the media, as directed by the administrations, note
the plural want you to, on the people at the bottom of the economic ladder, the mental cases that
reagan threw out of hospitals to wander the streets unable to care for themselves, while he ran up
the biggest national debt this country has ever had, and decontrolled the savings and loans
allowing them open season on the public, as long as you keep yourself wearing blinders, the
corporate welfare will go along with no notice.

it's like taxes. everyone cheats a litle and thinks they are getting away with something . let some
smart tax account come up with some legal sceme that many people can use, and the
government clamps down. if you keep people isolated from one another, you can have and keep
the keys to the treasury.

as long as the people that are really in command of this country can use as front men, charmers
like reagan, the regular guy who turned in some of his friends during the macarthy hearingsm and
bush, "i wouldn't mind having a beer with him," the country will continue to sink under the weight of
all those national geographic magazine that everyone saves.

soon you all will be investing in the stock market as part of your social security and when you turn
78, the new retirement age, you will find you don't have enough money to live on for more then 3
months.

but, hey, F**K Y*U, i got mine. you'll have to look out for yourselves.

maybe move to poland where there are pockets of americans living quite well on their social
security because rent and food is cheaper there. or baja, ca, for the same reason and dope is
cheap.

i pose a question. why are cigarettes, known to cause cancer legal, and marihuana, known to
ease pain in patients that have cancer illegal.

why do people that work for the fda get lucrative jobs with the pharmaceutical industry when they
retire?
hmm, is that a different question or simply a continuum of the first one.

enough for one session. just because i'm on a roll, doesn't mean i should butter it, unless of
course it is a hawaiian sweet roll, manna from the heavens.



Hawaiian Sweet Rolls (Larry W. Jones)

In a little Kamehameha school
Down by the peaceful sea
They paid no attention to the rules
Their little romance was plain to see

She was a cute little brown eyed rose
And he had puppy love in his eyes
The teacher pretended not to know
In the little school house in paradise

They shared Hawaiian sweet rolls every day
Down by the peaceful bay
Now they're twenty some years old
Sharing Hawaiian sweet rolls to this day

She was a cute little brown eyed rose
And he had puppy love in his eyes
Now they're married and so it goes
Sending off children in paradise
To a little Kamehameha school
Down by the peaceful sea

aloha pablo.
EI
  • EI
  • Herf-A-Holic
21 years ago
another cut and paste. What more should I expect?
you missed the point entirely

No one said anything about the poor down troden welfare mother
Just the machine that made her one
But to see that you would have to see the flaw in your own liberal thinking and we all know you would never face the facts when it does not go your twisted way
bloody spaniard
21 years ago
^Thank you, Don Ho.
Now for my next request, I would like to hear "Wakahili Ugo Wapu Brignoni" or "Why are there so many Eyetalians in Wahini".

I find it hard to believe that the poor, particularly in rural America, would not have the pride to get a hard-earned paycheck vs. a handout. These are usually proud, intelligent people.

Be that as it may, it is my understanding that welfare expires after a certain amount of time. What are the recipients going to do afterwards- "You want fries with that?".

I would gladly pay more if I knew that corporations were keeping the jobs here, and would not line their executives' pockets with excess profits. Have them implement training programs and job fairs as they do in the Developing World. Then,take away their corporate welfare (loopholes w/incentives for outsourcing)!

Anyone who has had the "pleasure" of speaking to an Indian customer service rep, knows that they may be better educated, but they are not necessarily more polite or better at speaking the language. More than one has been condescending to me when explaining the "rules" for their product's customer support. I have also run into quite a few who have stretched out my phone call due to their inability to fully understand my question OR my frustration in understanding their answers which are administered with thick accents.

Besides, manners and correct use of the english language can be taught to poor Americans as part of their job training.

blood

PS: Don Ho, it was the liberal Democrats who were primarily responsible for "freeing" the mental patients who then went on to productive lives of panhandling, sleeping on grates, and defecating on sidewalks. After all, they were being deprived of their individual rights...
bloody spaniard
21 years ago
I meant the other Don Ho...
Sorry Don Hoe (EI).LOL
SteveS
21 years ago
Most of the jobs that have been outsourced to India and other countries are not "well-paying" at all, but are, in fact, very low paying ...

And to be fair in discussing this subject, although I know that being fair isn't your intention, you need to talk about the INsourcing of jobs TO the US ... the vast majority of those ARE well-paying ...

Fact is, if we were to eliminate both insourced and outsourced jobs, we'd be net losers ... we gain FAR more than we lose in this process ...
CigarPrimate
21 years ago
While we're on facts, let's not forget to mention the whole 'welfare' mom story is a largely mythical. Most of the public outlays for medicare and welfare go to the elderly and disabled, and for long term institutional care, which can get quite expensive. Why some people are gung-ho to eliminate such rational and necessary supports in a modern, humane society, such as ours is supposed to be, totally misses my radar.
bloody spaniard
21 years ago
Stev--Thank you for telling me that my intentions are not fair. Always nice to hear from a psychic.

Pray tell, what high paying jobs are being "in sourced" to us and from where? If there are some- can't be many.

The outsourced jobs are low paying, eh?
Maybe you should tell that to the MANY customer service, programming, and miscelaneous engineers who are looking for any comparable work or who have to settle... Over 17% of the American programmers (50 & over) are UNEMPLOYED thanks to outsourcing.

The official unemployment rates do not reflect our societal employment breakdown because many of these professionals lose their jobs, become janitors, and thus are still considered employed.

Yeah, Bush is a job creator alright, a job creator for the Third World. That's what makes him happy.

SteveS
21 years ago
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Author: CigarPrimate Date: 12/07/2004 01:06 PM
Most of the public outlays for medicare and welfare
go to the elderly and disabled, and for long term
institutional care, which can get quite expensive.
Why some people are gung-ho to eliminate such
rational and necessary supports in a modern, humane
society, such as ours is supposed to be, totally
misses my radar.
=================================================

It IS true that a big chunk of expense goes to elderly and disabled people, but I don't think any reasonable person is gung-ho to eliminate those benefits ... what should be vastly reduced is the money that is flowing to those who make it their career path ... don't think for a second that's not one hell of a lot of money.
SteveS
21 years ago
Here's an article that ran in a Bay Area newspaper recently that speaks to the subject of insourcing/outsourcing ...

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While U.S. companies including Hewlett-Packard Co., the world's second- largest computer maker, and AIG Life Insurance Co., the world's largest insurer, have transferred white-collar work to low-wage countries such as India and China, more jobs are coming the other way, according to government estimates and trade analysts.

"Any way you slice it, the world is creating or transferring more jobs to the U.S. than we are doing to the rest of the world," said Daniel T. Griswold, a trade specialist at the Cato Institute, a research organization in Washington.

India's Essel Propack Ltd., Taiwan's Teco Electric & Machinery Co. and Denmark's Vestas Wind Systems A/S all have built plants in the United States in the last year and a half.

Other non-U.S. companies announced plans to increase hiring in the United States last year including Japan's Nissan Motor Co., with 3,350 jobs in Canton, Miss.; DaimlerChrysler AG of Germany, with 2,000 at a new Mercedes-Benz plant in Vance, Ala.; German appliance distributor BSH Bosch and Siemens Hausergate GmbH, with 1,300 in New Bern, N.C.; and Magna International Inc. of Canada, with as many as 800 in Bowling Green, Ky.

The movement of U.S. jobs abroad "has been blown out of proportion" mainly because domestic companies in the United States have been slow to increase hiring, said Martin Baily, chairman of former President Bill Clinton's Council of Economic Advisers. "There was lots of offshoring going on in the 1990s, but job growth was so strong in the U.S. that nobody really took much notice."

While reliable figures aren't available for the last two years, the Commerce Department estimated on March 18 that the number of Americans employed by U.S. affiliates of majority non-U.S. companies grew by 4.7 million from 1997 through 2001. In the same period, the number of non-Americans working at affiliates of majority-U.S. companies abroad rose by 2.8 million.

The creation of jobs outside the United States by American companies hasn't played a significant role in the current "jobless recovery," said Baily, now a senior fellow at the Institute for International Economics, a nonpartisan research group in Washington
SteveS
21 years ago
Here's another ...

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Report: 700,000 jobs 'insourced' to California
California ranks first among the states with 713,500 "insourced" jobs -- those in the U.S. operations of foreign companies -- according to a report released Wednesday by the Organization for International Investment.


"The media has focused on one facet of globalization: outsourcing," said Todd Malan, executive director of the OFII, in a press release. "But the flip side of outsourcing jobs abroad is insourcing jobs to the U.S. by companies abroad."

According to the report, California also ranks first in insourced manufacturing jobs in the U.S., with 193,000. The number of insourced jobs in the state grew by 156,000, or 28 percent, during the past five years.

The report also noted that U.S. subsidiaries of foreign firms pay their employees, on average, 16.5 percent more than U.S. companies.

Nationally, U.S. subsidiaries of foreign companies employ 6.4 million Americans.

Recent political debate has centered around the number of jobs lost at U.S. companies that are outsourcing to subsidiaries or contractors overseas, to save on payroll costs.

California was followed by New York, Texas, Illinois and Florida to round out the top five.
SteveS
21 years ago
And another ...
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Ten Myths about Jobs and Outsourcing
by Tim Kane, Brett D. Schaefer, and Alison Fraser

The American economy never rests—at this moment, in fact, economic growth is vigorous. Yet every time there is a slight dip in the acceleration of output, jobs, or incomes, the undying myths of a sputtering, backfiring economy rise again. Today, many of those myths concern the ills of outsourcing.

The plain facts, however, lay all of today’s myths about outsourcing to rest. But there is still a real danger that politicians working with incomplete or incorrect information will hobble American competitiveness. Scapegoating poor Third World countries, “Benedict Arnold CEOs,” and free trade will not improve the U.S. economy or labor market, but would likely cause great harm. Robert McTeer of the Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas summed up the promise of government action on outsourcing well: “If we are lucky, we can get through the year without doing something really, really stupid.”[1]


Myth #1: America is losing jobs.
Fact: More Americans are employed than ever before.
The household employment survey of Americans indicates that there are 1.9 million more Americans employed since the recession ended in November 2001. There are 138.3 million workers in the U.S. economy today—more than ever before.[2]

Myth #2: The low unemployment rate excludes many discouraged workers.
Fact: Unemployment is dropping, despite a surging labor force.
Not only is the unemployment rate low in historical terms at 5.6 percent, but the workforce has been growing—there are now 2.03 million more people in the labor force than in late 2001. Without a higher rate of unemployment or a shrinking workforce, there is no evidence of growing discouragement.[3]

Myth #3: Outsourcing will cause a net loss of 3.3 million jobs.
Fact: Outsourcing has little net impact, and represents less than 1 percent of gross job turnover.
Over the past decade, America has lost an average of 7.71 million jobs every quarter.[4] The most alarmist prediction of jobs lost to outsourcing, by Forrester Research, estimates that 3.3 million service jobs will be outsourced between 2000 and 2015—an average of 55,000 jobs outsourced per quarter, or only 0.71 percent of all jobs lost per quarter.

Myth #4: Free trade, free labor, and free capital harm the U.S. economy.
Fact: Economic freedom is necessary for economic growth, new jobs, and higher living standards.
A study conducted for the 2004 Index of Economic Freedom confirms a strong, positive relationship between economic freedom and per capita GDP. Countries that adopt policies antithetical to economic freedom, including trying to protect jobs of a few from outsourcing, tend to retard economic growth, which leads to fewer jobs.

Myth #5: A job outsourced is a job lost.
Fact: Outsourcing means efficiency.
Outsourcing is a means of getting more final output with lower cost inputs, which leads to lower prices for all U.S. firms and families. Lower prices lead directly to higher standards of living and more jobs in a growing economy.

Myth #6: Outsourcing is a one-way street.
Fact: Outsourcing works both ways.
The number of jobs coming from other countries to the U.S. (jobs “insourced”) is growing at a faster rate than jobs lost overseas. According to the Organization for International Investment, the numbers of manufacturing jobs insourced to the United States grew by 82 percent, while the number outsourced overseas grew by only 23 percent.[5] Moreover, these insourced jobs are often higher-paying than those outsourced.[6]

Myth #7: American manufacturing jobs are moving to poor nations, especially China.
Fact: Nations are losing manufacturing jobs worldwide, even China.
America is not alone in experiencing declines in manufacturing jobs. U.S. manufacturing employment declined 11 percent between 1995 and 2002, which is identical to the average world decline.[7] China has seen a sharper decline, losing 15 percent of its industrial jobs over the same period.

Myth #8: Only greedy corporations benefit from outsourcing.
Fact: Everyone benefits from outsourcing.
Outsourcing is about efficiency. As costs decline, every consumer benefits, including those who lose their jobs to outsourcing. A 2003 study by Michael W. Klein, Scott Schuh, and Robert K. Triest, which includes dislocation costs in its calculations, shows the benefits of trade outweighing its costs by 100 percent.[8]

Myth #9: The government can protect American workers from outsourcing.
Fact: Protectionism is isolationism and has a history of failure.
Proposals to punish businesses that outsource jobs, institute tariffs, or change tax rules will carry unintended consequences if enacted. Such measures would injure U.S. firms that export goods and services and erode U.S. competitiveness, often in unexpected ways. Recent steel tariffs, for example, cost jobs in dozens of industries while raising prices for consumers.[9]

Myth #10: Unemployment benefits should be extended beyond 26 weeks.
Fact: Jobless benefits are already working
The median duration of unemployment is now 10.9 weeks; most workers are covered by existing benefits, which last for 26 weeks. Extending today’s coverage to 39 weeks would cost billions of dollars and have little impact.

Conclusion
America's workers deserve a more informative, less partisan debate on outsourcing. The negative impact of outsourcing on the economy and American employment has been greatly exaggerated, and the benefits of outsourcing almost entirely ignored.
bloody spaniard
21 years ago
Hey, I've been BUSHwacked!!!!

Unfortunately, at the moment, I don't have the time (like you) to separate the wheat from the chaff.

Steve, instead of of your extensive cut 'n paste, do you have any PERSONAL experience with the topic at hand that is anecdotal & not apocryphal? Just because it's printed in a San Francisco paper, or amassed by an "unbiased" think tank, doesn't make it 100% correct, does it? Maybe, you also believe everything the Government tells you? They would never spin...

blood
bloody spaniard
21 years ago
Oh, and if it's any consolation to you, coporate wonks agree with you.

These same wonks are the ones who excuse or disavow the stealing of over 40% of the small business set-asides by their Corporations (see the current issue of Forbes).
CigarPrimate
21 years ago
Here's current news that might shed some light on what's happening in American employement now, as opposed to what has or will happen.

http://cbs.marketwatch.com/news/story.asp?siteid=bigcharts&dist=bigcharts&guid=%7BA3AC0AB3-CEF6-4FF7-888B-2A433DED9476%7D 
Charlie
21 years ago
All of this flack because some "old paranoid fool" developed acid reflux! LMAO

This is a tounge in cheek remark, so don't come back with all kinds of crap!

Charlie
RICKAMAVEN
21 years ago
EI

cut and paste my ass. some of us can actually think for ourselves.
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