ZRX1200
15 years ago
Racist liberals......
borndead1
15 years ago

Your case is rested saying that non-whites are stupid and lazy and that's why they voted Democratic and that it is obvious and simple.

FuzzNJ wrote:



Not stupid. Brainwashed. Just like republicans are brainwashed into thinking that their party is "the party of small government".
ZRX1200
15 years ago
They're not?
[sarcasm] 🐴
wheelrite
15 years ago

True!

Here's more truth.

It wasn't a D vs R issue, it was a regional one.

Democrats from the north voted overwhelmingly for the 1964 bill. From the south overwhelmingly against it. Both the senate and the house. Same for the republicans.

Democrats held the south from reconstruction up to this point. The southern democrats didn't agree with their northern counterparts, became republicans, ala Thurmond. Then, seeing an opening and a way to win back the south, the republicans employed the Southern Strategy and have held the south since pretty well.

FuzzNJ wrote:




Um wrong again about the mass exodus of the Dixiecrats.
only 3 switched parties...

How many Dixiecrats joined the GOP after 1964?

How many pre-1964 southern racist Democrat bigots did NOT join the Republican party after 1964?

Orval Fabus
Benjamin Travis Laney
John Stennis
James Eastland
Allen Ellender
Russell Long
John Sparkman
John McClellan
Richard Russell
Herman Talmadge
George Wallace
Lester Maddox
John Rarick
Robert Byrd
Al Gore, Sr.
Bull Connor

In fact, it seems that MOST of the Dixiecrats did NOT join the Republican party, even though many of them lived long past 1964.

Only a very FEW of them switched to the GOP, such as Strom Thurmond and Mills Godwin.

And as we all know by now, the ONLY admitted former KKK member in Congress as of late is Robert Byrd, a former KKK Kleagle, a recruiter who persuaded people to join the KKK.

So where do we get this myth that "most" of the southern racist Democrats switched to the Republican party after 1964?

Is it a myth?

Or just another Democrat LIE?

:-({|=


ZRX1200
15 years ago
Aren't most democrats grand kegels?????
wheelrite
15 years ago
How about Al Gore Sr. ?

Articles in Intellectual Digest in 1971, as well as brief news reports of eyewitness testimony pertaining to the King assassination published in Newsweek in 1970-73, strongly suggest the complicity of some Memphis Police Department individuals in the King assassination and strongly suggest major Southern Democratic politicians were implicated. Among the names then being bandied about was Albert Gore, sr., Senator from Tennessee and father of the Democratic Party Presidential candidate.

Al Gore Sr. proposed an amendment to the Civil Rights Act that would have kept federal funds flowing to schools that defied court desegregation orders. It was defeated by a vote of 74-25. 23 Democrats and 1 Republican voted for it.


In his remarks upon signing the Civil Rights Act, President Lyndon Johnson praised Republicans for their "overwhelming majority." He did not offer similar praise to his own Democratic Party. Moreover, Senate Minority Leader Everett Dirksen, an Illinois Republican, collaborated with the White House and the Senate leadership of both parties to draft acceptable compromise amendments to end the southern Democrats' filibuster of the Act.
FuzzNJ
15 years ago

Not stupid. Brainwashed. Just like republicans are brainwashed into thinking that their party is "the party of small government".

borndead1 wrote:



You are arguing for Cheif now?
FuzzNJ
15 years ago

Um wrong again about the mass exodus of the Dixiecrats.
only 3 switched parties...

How many Dixiecrats joined the GOP after 1964?

How many pre-1964 southern racist Democrat bigots did NOT join the Republican party after 1964?

Orval Fabus
Benjamin Travis Laney
John Stennis
James Eastland
Allen Ellender
Russell Long
John Sparkman
John McClellan
Richard Russell
Herman Talmadge
George Wallace
Lester Maddox
John Rarick
Robert Byrd
Al Gore, Sr.
Bull Connor

In fact, it seems that MOST of the Dixiecrats did NOT join the Republican party, even though many of them lived long past 1964.

Only a very FEW of them switched to the GOP, such as Strom Thurmond and Mills Godwin.

And as we all know by now, the ONLY admitted former KKK member in Congress as of late is Robert Byrd, a former KKK Kleagle, a recruiter who persuaded people to join the KKK.

So where do we get this myth that "most" of the southern racist Democrats switched to the Republican party after 1964?

Is it a myth?

Or just another Democrat LIE?

:-({|=


wheelrite wrote:



lol

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100212105354AAsKqHz 


Is it your position that the south solidly votes republican since BECAUSE the northern republicans voted for the 1964 civil rights act then? Both parties voted for the act with an overwhelming majority based on geographical location. There were like only 30 Republicans in the senate at the time.

Do you know about the Southern Strategy and that some of those involved detailed what it was and how it was supposed to work, it's not a made up thing.

It is true that up to the 60's southern democrats did not support any civil rights legislation, but to put that up as proof of anything 50 years later is dishonest without looking at what actually happened.
fishinguitarman
15 years ago

lmao, go away as you said you would. You don't contribute anything worthwhile anyway.

FuzzNJ wrote:







And you do?😂
wheelrite
15 years ago

lol

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100212105354AAsKqHz 


Is it your position that the south solidly votes republican since BECAUSE the northern republicans voted for the 1964 civil rights act then? Both parties voted for the act with an overwhelming majority based on geographical location. There were like only 30 Republicans in the senate at the time.

Do you know about the Southern Strategy and that some of those involved detailed what it was and how it was supposed to work, it's not a made up thing.

It is true that up to the 60's southern democrats did not support any civil rights legislation, but to put that up as proof of anything 50 years later is dishonest without looking at what actually happened.

FuzzNJ wrote:




The point of this post is to highlight the Dems hypocrisy regarding race realtions.This is not taught in History classes schools as it should be.The media never mentions it.They eulogize a KKK member Senator when he croaks.

Remember,,
what the title of this thread is...

nothing dishonest here,,,
FuzzNJ
15 years ago

The point of this post is to highlight the Dems hypocrisy regarding race realtions.This is not taught in History classes schools as it should be.The media never mentions it.They eulogize a KKK member Senator when he croaks.

Remember,,
what the title of this thread is...

nothing dishonest here,,,

wheelrite wrote:



The media didn't mention Byrd was a member of the KKK? Really? Bullsh*t. I heard it several times. I also heard he renounced, apologized and said he was wrong.

So you agree then that it was a north/south thing, not a D/R thing and that the republicans used the racist southern strategy approach? Because you didn't address those things once.

50 years ago is a long time. It seems to be the opinion of the conservatives that the Democrats are racist and the Republicans have the best interest of blacks, jews, etc in mind. Yet they vote overwhelmingly for Democrats. They are all just stupid and brainwashed and/or lazy. Strange. I wonder why you guys are effected by this brainwashing, you are all free-thinkers able to resist this powerful brain-washing, something the minority population must be unable to do.
wheelrite
15 years ago
Maybe this will get your mind right...

No doubt there was some sort of "Southern Strategy" to appeal to Southerners, but was it based on race? Or other cultural issues?

The Democrats say it was based on race but there are far too many ahistorical holes in this story; how much of it is reality and how much of it is myth? For one, when Democratic news outlets like the New York Times write about the 1968 campaign and attribute Nixon's victory to the "Southern Strategy" they invariably fail to mention that there were two Democrats running in 1968, Hubert Humphrey and George Wallace. It is my belief from looking at the history that this so-called "Southern Strategy", even if implemented the way the Democrats say it was, was neither long-lasting nor in any way effective. Taking the following Southern states into account and judging the amount (and percentage) of votes Nixon got against Kennedy in 1960 and the votes he got against Humphrey in 1968;

ALABAMA
1960
John F Kennedy 324,050 [56.8%]
Richard Nixon 237,981 [41.7%]
1968
Richard Nixon 146,923 [14.0%]
Hubert Humphrey 196,579 [18.7%]
George Wallace 691,425 [65.9%]

ARKANSAS
1960
John F Kennedy 215,049 [50.2%]
Richard Nixon 184,508 [43.1%]
1968
Richard Nixon 190,759 [30.8%]
Hubert Humphrey 188,228 [30.4%]
George Wallace 240,982 [38.9%]

GEORGIA
1960
John F Kennedy 458,638 [62.5%]
Richard Nixon 274,472 [37.4%]
1968
Richard Nixon 380,111 [30.4%]
Hubert Humphrey 334,440 [26.7%]
George Wallace 535,550 [42.8%]

LOUISIANA
1960
John F Kennedy 407,339 [50.4%]
Richard Nixon 230,980 [28.6%]
1968
Richard Nixon 257,535 [23.5%]
Hubert Humphrey 309,615 [28.2%]
George Wallace 530,300 [48.3%]

MISSISSIPPI
1960
John F Kennedy 108,362 [36.3%]
Richard Nixon 73,561 [24.7%]
1968
Richard Nixon 88,516 [13.5%]
Hubert Humphrey 50,644 [23.0%]
George Wallace 415,349 [63.5%]

NORTH CAROLINA
1960
John F Kennedy 713,136 [52.1%]
Richard Nixon 655,420 [47.9%]
1968
Richard Nixon 627,192 [39.5%]
Hubert Humphrey 464,113 [29.2%]
George Wallace 496,188 [31.3%]

SOUTH CAROLINA
1960
John F Kennedy 198,129 [51.2%]
Richard Nixon 188,558 [48.8%]
1968
Richard Nixon 254,062 [38.1%]
Hubert Humphrey 197,486 [29.6%]
George Wallace 215,430 [32.3%]

TENNESSEE
1960
John F Kennedy 481,453 [45.8%]
Richard Nixon 556,577 [52.9%]
1968
Richard Nixon 472,592 [37.8%]
Hubert Humphrey 351,233 [28.1%]
George Wallace 424,792 [34.0%]

WEST VIRGINIA
1960
John F Kennedy 441,786 [52.7%]
Richard Nixon 395,995 [47.3%]
1968
Richard Nixon 307,555 [40.8%]
Hubert Humphrey 374,091 [49.6%]
George Wallace 72,560 [9.6%]

Note that in 1968, there was nowhere where Nixon's numbers went up consistently, i.e. he consistently lost support in the percentage of votes he recieved from 1960, and in many cases even lost votes in terms of raw numbers. In other words, Nixon's "" yielded him absolutely nothing in terms of electoral success; raw numbers or percentages. Yet, strangely, Nixon's victory is always attributed to appeals to racial hatreds - despite his campaign's explicit statement in 1966 that it would leave it to the;

... party of Maddox, Mahoney and Wallace to squeeze the last ounces of political juice out of the rotting fruit of racial injustice.


So as you can see.The "Southern Strategy" was either a myth or a disaster for Nixon and the Republicans..


wheel,
FuzzNJ
15 years ago
Wow, you really are in denial here.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C04E6DF1E30F935A35753C1A9639C8B63 

Listen to the late Lee Atwater in a 1981 interview explaining the evolution of the G.O.P.'s Southern strategy:

''You start out in 1954 by saying, '****, ****, ****.' By 1968 you can't say '****' -- that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites.

''And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me -- because obviously sitting around saying, 'We want to cut this,' is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than '****, ****.'''

Atwater, who would manage George H.W. Bush's successful run for the presidency in 1988 (the Willie Horton campaign) and then serve as national party chairman, was talking with Alexander P. Lamis, a political-science professor at Case Western Reserve University. Mr. Lamis quoted Atwater in the book ''Southern Politics in the 1990's.''

The truth is that there was very little that was subconscious about the G.O.P.'s relentless appeal to racist whites. Tired of losing elections, it saw an opportunity to renew itself by opening its arms wide to white voters who could never forgive the Democratic Party for its support of civil rights and voting rights for blacks.



More abstract things like 'states rights', etc.
FuzzNJ
15 years ago
From Nixon's political strategy guy:

From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that... but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That's where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats.
wheelrite
15 years ago

Wow, you really are in denial here.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C04E6DF1E30F935A35753C1A9639C8B63 

Listen to the late Lee Atwater in a 1981 interview explaining the evolution of the G.O.P.'s Southern strategy:

''You start out in 1954 by saying, '****, ****, ****.' By 1968 you can't say '****' -- that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites.

''And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me -- because obviously sitting around saying, 'We want to cut this,' is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than '****, ****.'''

Atwater, who would manage George H.W. Bush's successful run for the presidency in 1988 (the Willie Horton campaign) and then serve as national party chairman, was talking with Alexander P. Lamis, a political-science professor at Case Western Reserve University. Mr. Lamis quoted Atwater in the book ''Southern Politics in the 1990's.''

The truth is that there was very little that was subconscious about the G.O.P.'s relentless appeal to racist whites. Tired of losing elections, it saw an opportunity to renew itself by opening its arms wide to white voters who could never forgive the Democratic Party for its support of civil rights and voting rights for blacks.



More abstract things like 'states rights', etc.

FuzzNJ wrote:




That is opinion,,,

My posts particularly the last are fact. Look at the numbers..

Now be honest...
FuzzNJ
15 years ago

That is opinion,,,

My posts particularly the last are fact. Look at the numbers..

Now be honest...

wheelrite wrote:



The quotes aren't opinion, now who is being dishonest?

You still haven't answered the question as to why minorities vote for Democrats.
ZRX1200
15 years ago
Successful marketing!!!!!!
DrafterX
15 years ago


You still haven't answered the question as to why minorities vote for Democrats.

FuzzNJ wrote:




Hope & change...😟
chiefburg
15 years ago

Successful marketing!!!!!!

ZRX1200 wrote:


That's what I said (in so many words) and that holds a lot of truth. I have asked people why they vote a certain way and the answers are very surprising at times.
FuzzNJ
15 years ago

That's what I said (in so many words) and that holds a lot of truth. I have asked people why they vote a certain way and the answers are very surprising at times.

chiefburg wrote:



Now that is something with which I can agree! "I'd like to have a beer with him" is a perplexing reason. He's good looking and looks like a President, is another strange one. To extrapolate those answers to explain an entire population is a totally different thing.
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