USS Fitzgerald.... · Page 3 · CigarBid Forums

Free Fall
Auctions

Specials
Auctions

QuickBuy
Auctions

Newly Added
Auctions

Ending Soon
Auctions

Welcome Guest

Forum Terms & Conditions | My Topics

dstieger
Herf-A-Holic

9 years ago

#41

Even small ships like destroyers are limited by fluid dynamics and momentum. ..

Bur wrote:

Twin reversible pitch propellers virtually made the physics obsolete a few years ago.... emergency backing today is something that is sorta magical to old squids like me that spent time in steam plants

MACS
Herf-A-Holic

9 years ago

#42

As I said, they should have been talking ship to ship. The Naval Vessel had a quartermaster, an Officer of the Deck, and radar operators in the Combat Information Center that should have been yelling "Oh, shit, oh shit, oh shit!" long before impact.

dstieger
Herf-A-Holic

9 years ago

#43

Agreed....whether that container ship turned or reversed...or whatever it might have done...will not excuse the crew of the Fitzgerald much...if at all...the characterization in some news reports that the Fitzgerald is some sort of victim that got rammed ....almost sounds silly....I don't care how extraordinarily negligent the commercial ship may have acted...there is no way in hell that the destroyer should have been in position to get skewered in the open ocean...

MACS
Herf-A-Holic

9 years ago

#44

^^^YUP.

namadio
Herf-A-Holic

9 years ago

#45

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/06/internet-of-ships-tells-tale-of-uss-fitzgerald-tragedy-or-half-of-it/

Stinkdyr
Herf-A-Holic

9 years ago

#46

MACS told me frank looks like he was punched in the face by Sonny Liston

teedubbya wrote:

Donkey-punched?
Did this involve a Cleveland Steamer?

:-k

teedubbya
Herf-A-Holic

9 years ago

#47

Just a Pittsburgh pancake

DrafterX
Herf-A-Holic Topic Starter

9 years ago

#48

Is that the 3rd floor balcony dump thing..?? 😕

Abrignac
Herf-A-Holic

9 years ago

#49

MACS wrote:

Not to mention a non-rate on the flying bridge looking through the big eyes, the helmsman and the BMOW making deck rounds.

It's going to be real interesting when this finally sorted out.

frankj1
Herf-A-Holic

9 years ago

#50

Just a Pittsburgh pancake

teedubbya wrote:

I give up. No one wants classy chit here.

Thunder.Gerbil
Herf-A-Holic

9 years ago

#51

dstieger wrote:

While I agree with you in theory, I don't want to pass judgement on the crew of the Fitzgerald quite yet. There still is one reason they might have ended up in the path of that merchant, and that's machinery failure. Not saying it happened, we don't know and haven't been told yet, but if something went wrong on the Fitzgerald, then that could easily leave them stranded in the path of an unmanuverable behemoth.

Other than that, yeah, the Fitz likely fvcked up. Managing to get hit by a single screw ship that takes miles to speed up, slow down, stop or even turn.

dstieger
Herf-A-Holic

9 years ago

#52

You are correct, of course. If the Fitzgerald was DIW and totally dark, it is possible that they could neither detect nor move. And, even then....in busy transit lanes....there's no way that I can imagine that they wouldn't have (additional) S&A lookouts with lights, whistles, NVG's, etc.... would also be pretty hard to imagine the skipper in his rack during such an event

Edited by user 9 years ago | Reason: Not specified

Thunder.Gerbil
Herf-A-Holic

9 years ago

#53

Yup, right now, there are a lot of unanswered questions about what happened. This is a WTF of colossal proportions.

Edited by user 9 years ago | Reason: Not specified

dstieger
Herf-A-Holic

9 years ago

#54

I do want to state that I am grievously saddened at the loss of life and for the Sailors' families. I also am quite certain that there will be a finding of gross negligence on the part of the civilian mariners of the Crystal. My tone above may belie those thoughts....it's just that with tours on seven ships, years as OOD afloat and CICWO, I am very well aware that there is no room for tolerance of inept, careless ship handling/operation....and I can't see my way to a plausible scenario that involves proactive, sound seamanship by the destroyer.

DrMaddVibe
Herf-A-Holic

9 years ago

#55

I wonder who fell asleep in the crow's nest?

Abrignac
Herf-A-Holic

9 years ago

#56

dstieger wrote:

Unless it had just gone DIW and GQ hadn't yet been piped over the 1MC.

Abrignac
Herf-A-Holic

9 years ago

#57

It just doesn't make any sense at all.

Prayers for the lost souls and their families.

Bur
Herf-A-Holic

9 years ago

#58

dstieger, you a SWO-Dog? I'm a recovered one-did one tour then decided I wanted to play with bombs.

While I think most the accountability will be on the CRYSTAL, yeah, the bridge watch team on the FITZ is gonna have some hard questions, and to live with the death of 7 crewmates. The Skipper has a long road of recovery ahead both physically and emotionally-a friend here in San Dog knows him and is trying to get in contact.

FC1 Reihm is a full-on hero, knew he was gonna get "dogged" into the compartment when he went back to see if he could get anyone else from what I'm hearing. And it was pretty close to his last underway.

dstieger
Herf-A-Holic

9 years ago

#59

dstieger, you a SWO-Dog?

Bur wrote:

Mustang....Supply Corps, but SWO pin without the pork chop....first SK qualified as OOD(UW), or so I was told....drove a lot of hours, mostly on FFG's, but bridge and CIC time on larger hulls, too

DrafterX
Herf-A-Holic Topic Starter

9 years ago

#60

Crew members aboard the USS Fitzgerald "should have spoken up" long before the American warship collided with a massive cargo vessel off the coast of Japan last month, U.S. officials said on Friday.

"There were many people who should have spoken up," one U.S. official, who was not authorized to speak publicly about an ongoing investigation, told Fox News.

The "rules of the road" at sea mandate states that any ship should keep out of the way of any ship on her right, or starboard, side.

The USS Fitzgerald was struck on her starboard side on June 17 by a cargo ship three times larger than the American warship. Seven American sailors were killed in the incident.

One U.S. official pointed to the U.S. Coast Guard's Navigation Rules & Regulations Handbook which clearly states this rule: "When two power-driven vessels are crossing so as to involve risk of collision, the vessel which has the other on her own starboard side shall keep out of the way and shall, if the circumstances of the case admit, avoid crossing ahead of the other vessel."

There are two navigation teams aboard every Navy warship, one on the bridge where the ship is driven and another team below the bridge in the combat information center, where a backup chart and radar team are located. This means there were two teams of sailors that missed recommending and taking "decisive and early action," the official told Fox News.

Film at 11.... 🤔

Doesn't really answer any questions... I wish more people knew what "Right of Way' actually means.. especially on da road..
😟

Users browsing this topic

Important Information: