they might be now, they may have been then. but at that time it was a necessity here in the rural parts of the south. Nathan Forrest did not start the Klan to keep the black man in his place. yes, in later years it was used in that manner, but Forrest was making an attempt to preserve the culture of what he believed to be the "southern gentleman".

granted, being a gentleman did not entail hangings, etc. however, as time went by, the organization turned into something different than Forrest and MOST other southerners intended.

Mrs18, I cannot help but believe you are advocating an untenable position. Read these. Either their all a pack of lies, or you've been misinformed:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan 

http://www.pointsouth.com/csanet/kkk.htm 

The south's loss of slavery after the civil war is well documented in history. The KKK never was a benevolent society, as evidenced by those masks, which were not to amuse the kids on halloween, but to conceal the identity of those perpetrating the (at the time, deemed necessary) atrocities.

The mafia "took care of business" too. Not nice people.

Well Pepper, you've dedicated 8 hours to this thread. You may as well keep going. Here is how I am.

If I could eliminate any ten people from the face of the earth, 9 of them would be white and the other would be OBL.

I enjoy humor. You can enjoy racial humor without being a racist. For instance, you are a garden variety white guy. Like me.

I don't know you- other then I find you pompous and self righteous.

I don't know Nine. Other than him being 1/2 Mexican and 1/2 Chinese.

Keeping all the above racial information in mind, how can I like him a whole lot more than I like you? If I'm a racist, I'm real bad at it.

I make my judgments on the individual. Truth be told, I'm more comfortable around ten white people then ten of any other group. But I don't know of many people (of whatever color) that wouldn't agree.

I took the caveman shot you gave me. I tried turning the other cheek on the KKK sunscreen line, but now I've had enough.

Just like a liberal democrat that rides to an environmental photo shoot in an SUV, or a Kennedy talking about how money is corrupting the politcal process, some of your protesting on this thread seem like you are over compensating.

If racism really bugged you as much as you profess, why don't you get off your fat ass and do something about it (not that I'm discounting you Rainbow Striped Skin Across America effort here on a discount cigar message board).

But that would entail you getting up from your computer, sobering up and taking a shower.

Some causes just aren't worth that type of epic effort, is it?

Time to groom my black dyed, postage stamp mustache, and get my Brylcreme to get my come-over JUST right for my march on Petco tomorrow (I heard they are selling Goebbels there).

Have another Heil-ball and go to bed.

G'night.

'... Author: rugrunner Date: 07/07/2006 11:27 PM Reply

8 doesn't hate other races Dr.P. he just hates you..'

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Incorrect Rug. I don't think enough of Dr. Pepperhill to give him enough mind to even think about hating him.

I don't care for the dude calling me a caveman racist, but I don't hate the man.

http://www.pointsouth.com/csanet/kkk.htm 

this backs up the point i was trying to make.....you might want to re-read it.

remember this information came from my 92 year old grandmother, who's father was the one in charge of the kkk in our area, it was much different then.

Liberal democrat my skanky a** 8. I'm a moderate independent Mr. know it all. Sorry but I don't find your continual racially based humor humerous; nauseating is more like it. I admit you have a highly developed sense of humor, just too bad it's directed toward such an odious end IMO.

Mrs18, I saw a well reported schlokumentary on PBS a few days ago entitled "The Rise & Fall of Jim Crow." Here's the site describing it [http://tinyurl.com/zzg8t]. The opening sentence says "The Ku Klux Klan was formed as a social club by a group of Confederate Army veterans in Pulaski, Tennessee in the winter of 1865-66." So I don't categorically refute all you say, some of which is true. But the fact that these 'confederate' activists were conserving and promulgating confederate ideals and culture is telling. Disclaiming them as at first benevolent almost seems to discount the impetus for the war in general; a fight to end the slave driven economy of the south. It could easily be analogized that the Nazi party sought to uplift and aid the down trodden German people after their ragged loss of WWI, however, both the Nazi party and the klan rapidly rose to such nefarious deeds, which far overshadow any compassionate goals at their beginning; so much so as to utterly and totally erase them.

is there any group, or groups that is made up of all white men or women that is not considered racist?

you have the NAACP, but if there was a white counterpart to it it would be called racist, would it not?

the only people that are allowed to express their opinion freely or their views without being labled a racist are minorities or liberals. a conservitive, Christian is only allowed to go along with "society" and never speak out without being called a racsist/bigot. from what i have seen, there is more hostility/hate coming from liberals and minorities. they think they can shove their choices/beliefs down everyones throat and everyone must accept it, or they play the racist card. example:

i think homosexuality is wrong and sick and i would never teach my children this right..........what does that make me?

Mrs18, I don't feel I'm wromg to assume you are a good woman, mother, and overall person, but some of the stuff coming off your keyboard is downright Kafka-eaque!!

You claim "Christian is only allowed to go along with "society" and never speak out without being called a racsist/bigot." My dear woman, right now, in America, there is a massive Christian "MAJORITY" revolution happening this moment. It's your time to decide right and wrong, to set the tone for a moral, significant society. Are you going to define this moment with bitter racism and unecessary homophobia? Yikes, say it ain't so! Jesus apparently comes with a sword with you, and not on the footsteps of a dove.

If you honestly think " homosexuality is ... sick and i would never teach my children this right..........what does that make me?" It makes you a homophobe; a hater of complete strangers. You may have your reasons, but please teach your kids love and tolerance for their fellow humans, and hopefully they will return that to the world.

I'm white and I'm a lifelong member of the NAACP. I'm also a lifelong member of the NRA, the VFW, and the American Legion.

I think BMG music service cut me off the roster though.

Yo Rick:

"if your mother is jewish, you are jewish, it doesn't matter who the purported father is, it's the mother's blood that makes you a jew."

That is the most asinine statement you have ever posted on this board.

LMAO

JonR

11. Author: nine999 and by the way? where the hell is cacasia?

btw 9 did you mean Caucasia?

if so then its

Noun 1. Caucasia - a large region between the Black and Caspian seas; oil is its major resource

or

in S. America NW area in Colombia / Antioquia by Cordoba

JonR,

re: post number 91

Being a Jew has nothing to do with what you believe or what you do. A person born to non-Jewish parents who has not undergone the formal process of conversion but who believes everything that Orthodox Jews believe and observes every law and custom of Judaism is still a non-Jew, even in the eyes of the most liberal movements of Judaism

However, a person born to a Jewish mother who is an atheist and never practices the Jewish religion is still a Jew, even in the eyes of the ultra-Orthodox.

In this sense, Judaism is more like a nationality than like other religions, and being Jewish is like a citizenship.

Learn a bit about other races, cultures, creeds, and beliefs before you go calling people asinine when they talk about their lifestyle. It makes you look less ignorant.

bikerbob- exactly what i meant...lol-

hey pep. i think you misunderstood me. you must have, because you said i diddn't have your back. go back and read post 55 throughly. then get off your high horse.

usually i try to remain nuetral, saying what i mean, with a little toungue in cheak humor- ask drathar (re: ann coulter & abortion/capitol punishment), but you aren't getting it. i thought i was clear when i said if there was racism, i would be on your side. then i found some with androomi's help, went back and read it, and said my piece. i think everyone would like to be on your side when it comes to racism, but everytime we get near you you push. nobody speaks for me...um...except my wife- 8track was pointing out what i said, as i do when i try to make a point...

so please, brotha, chill the f out! do you really believe you're the only one here who doesn't like hate? please. and no matter how furiously you type away, you aren't always gonna be right. i hope you don't feel attacked. and i am not trying to silence you. just letting you know that you are coming off a little overzealous.

and if you ask me, i'm a bink. oriental is fine by me, i don't care to be called asian. i don't care for latino either. but thats just my mind. i realise i am not the norm.

dude....

see dr,

thats my point. i don't HATE homosexuals. i don't HATE anyone. but just because i don't agree with it and i think it is wrong, does not make me a racsist. i just disagree with the liberals telling me i HAVE to accept it, or i am a homophobe????? come on... if anything i feel sorry for them.

the Christian majority has sat back and let everyone run over them and not spoke out for so long that it is almost too little too late. i am just sick of the minority ruling this country. i am offended daily by some of the stuff i see, but i do not run to the courts to make someone change for my personal benifit.

i just do not understand how a few people can tell the majority what to think and what they can teach their children. we have become a nation of people who cant have the freedom of speach because we might offend someONE.

Yo Rick:

"if your mother is jewish, you are jewish, it doesn't matter who the purported father is, it's the mother's blood that makes you a jew."

That is the most asinine statement you have ever posted on this board.

LMAO

))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

JonR,

Biblical JEW is bloodline..is it not?

G

ruggysgirl 27

i think your german part is always trying to get a piece of your french part, your bohemian part is trying to give it away. your jewish part is always feeling guilty.

go to sleep rick- look what you started....lol

nine

But the minority do NOT run this country.

A person can "dislike" or not accept a gay person, or a person of color to their hearts content for all I care. However, when the result is the gay person, or the person of color suffering unequal rights, I have a problem with it.

The minority do NOT run this country. They are trying to get a foothold though, and that scares the hell out of a lot of folks.

Yes?

Compay 47

hold on while put my coffee down.

ok. you are correct, i have no idea what the hell you are talking about. can i borrow your cliff notes.

"Forget the gay crap, neither of us pound butt, so no one is more qualified than the other." qualified to do what teach the other how to dress, or decorate an apartment. elaborate.

"I am surprised that you did not unemotionally see the inference of both words—Allowed and Dominate. I need not elaborate. Yes allowed is the operative word. Would Muslims or even Blacks, ever be allowed to dominate critical industries?" no, elaborate is the operative word and you should so someone might have an idea what ou are talking about.

this one is so confusing i'll have to reak it downto it's various parts.

"As per your comment on anti-Semitism; yes bigotry exists across the races, but not to be confused with widespread hatred." how does widespread hatred differ from say hatred in a small town.

"Even if that were case, Jews have positioned themselves in all the right places to never let that happen." i hope whittier, california is the right place to be to prevent hatred. you really have a sense o humor you are not aware of.

"Which brings us full circle." much like the tutty- frutty bird who when frightened, flys in ever decreasing circles until he disappears up his own **** where he hides until it is safe to come out.