teedubbya
7 years ago
I do love my guns. My kids are ok too.
dstieger
7 years ago
There is no monopoly on common sense
On either side of the political fence
We share the same biology, regardless of ideology
Believe me when I say to you
I hope the white supremacists love their children too
Mrs. dpnewell
7 years ago
Here's something that some of you may find of interest.

Back in 2013, President Obama ordered the CDC to perform a study on gun violence. He was hoping that he could declare gun violence a "health epidemic" and bypass our 2nd Amendment.

Though the report came back mostly critical of guns and gun ownership, there where two positive points.

1) The CDC determined that law abiding Americans use firearms between 500,000 and 3,000,000 times EACH year to defend life and property from criminal attack. Most of the time, just the presence of the gun was enough to deter the attack, and shots did not have to be fired.

2) The CDC determined that those who used firearms for self defense where far less likely to be injured, or their injuries where far less severe, then those who used other forms of self defense.

Question: If we outlaw the legal ownership of firearms, are we ready to deal with another 500,000 to 3,000,000 murder/rape/mugging/assault/robbery victims per year?

David
dstieger
7 years ago

Here's something that some of you may find of interest.

Back in 2013, President Obama ordered the CDC to perform a study on gun violence. He was hoping that he could declare gun violence a "health epidemic" and bypass our 2nd Amendment.

Though the report came back mostly critical of guns and gun ownership, there where two positive points.

1) The CDC determined that law abiding Americans use firearms between 500,000 and 3,000,000 times EACH year to defend life and property from criminal attack. Most of the time, just the presence of the gun was enough to deter the attack, and shots did not have to be fired.

2) The CDC determined that those who used firearms for self defense where far less likely to be injured, or their injuries where far less severe, then those who used other forms of self defense.

Question: If we outlaw the legal ownership of firearms, are we ready to deal with another 500,000 to 3,000,000 murder/rape/mugging/assault/robbery victims per year?

David

Mrs. dpnewell wrote:




Not sure there was another CDC survey? I think that one that publicized was done in the 90's. And the 'defense stats' weren't stats at all, but extrapolated from a sampling in just a few states where people were asked if they'd used their guns defensively....not sure the exact question or the numbers involved, but I am pretty sure that citing specific numbers as above is likely inaccurate or possibly misleading
Buckwheat
7 years ago

Two shootings in two days... I'm excited to see what tommorow will bring!

Will there be another mass shooting? Anyone want to take bets on which state?

It's an exciting time we live in.

victor809 wrote:




I know it's sarcasm but still poor form.

For those that care to read it. Here is the 2013 CDC report.
chrome-extension://oemmndcbldboiebfnladdacbdfmadadm/https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/pdf/wk/mm6230.pdf

They only looked at 4 years (pretty narrowly defined time period) and I don't see the statistics that where referenced above.
dstieger
7 years ago
Besides...I think CDC has proven repeatedly that it shouldn't be relied upon for gun stats in any shape or form
frankj1
7 years ago
gun ownership is legal, protected, and here to stay...
and I am a liberal who believes in that right.

I am also a (somewhat) normal person struggling to understand why some limitations on guns of mass destruction can not be the subject of gun control legislation discussions.

guns to protect life, family and property, or for sport, or for hunting do not necessarily have to include guns that can kill dozens of people in seconds. I don't have a plan on what should be limited, but the guns being used to massacre many by lunatics is a good place for the conversation to start.

tailgater
7 years ago



I've said it before... we Americans love our guns more than our kids...nothing will change until that equation is reversed...

delta1 wrote:



Let's hear your solution.
the one that will allow we Americans to love our kids more than our guns.
And please don't say "common sense gun laws". be more specific if you can.
I don't own any guns so no need to hold back.









delta1
7 years ago
lets fund actual and comprehensive studies ... right now, all we have is speculation...

https://everytownresearch.org/funding-gun-violence-research-matters/ 
victor809
7 years ago

I know it's sarcasm but still poor form.

For those that care to read it. Here is the 2013 CDC report.
chrome-extension://oemmndcbldboiebfnladdacbdfmadadm/https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/pdf/wk/mm6230.pdf

They only looked at 4 years (pretty narrowly defined time period) and I don't see the statistics that where referenced above.

Buckwheat wrote:



I wouldn't call it sarcasm. I cannot bring myself to care that much about the health and welfare of our population if society in general doesn't care that much about itself. I've never been one to continue caring about drug addicts or other self destructive people.
ZRX1200
7 years ago
Every town research......are you ****ing kidding me Al?
fishinguitarman
7 years ago
Sarcasm is epidemic among those who would turn a deaf ear than do Something to help .
Just don’t care and let innocent people get slaughtered.

Hitler thought that way
dstieger
7 years ago
I have never heard a compelling argument against 'outlawing' 100 round mags like the Dayton POS used. (I'm also fine with finding a way to restrict or eliminate AK/AR style weapons, though I understand the challenges in writing such a law.) Limiting mags to 5 or 10 on all small arms makes too much sense to me...hard to believe it hasn't been enacted more widely already. I fully recognize it isn't going to prevent but jobs from killing people. But it just might limit some casualties without any Constitutional problems, IMO.

If I go duck hunting I have to plug my shotgun so I can't load more than three shells for chrissakes....never considered that a Second ammendment infringement
DrafterX
7 years ago
Ducks have rights too.... 😟
dstieger
7 years ago
Not according to Bloody
fishinguitarman
7 years ago
Does anybody stay in contact with him???
DrafterX
7 years ago
I don't think so... if you communicated with him knowing what he does to chickens and other assorted waterfowl you 'd become a chikens and assorted waterfowl abuser also... 😟
fishinguitarman
7 years ago
delta1
7 years ago
why are pro-gun people opposed to research that may contribute to understanding the nature and magnitude of the gun violence problem? In depth and open analysis may yield some answers that could reduce the number of casualties...civil society is built upon advances of knowledge to improve the quality of life...

pro-freedom people hated the idea of air quality regulations, argued against any interference with the cigarette industry, opposed seat-belt laws, scoffed at MADD...these all proved to be life savers over the years...

climate change, global warming and fossil fuel industry links will be on that list of man-made maladies that can be fixed, within the next decade...


if not research, how about a new super secret CIA program of mass hypnosis to reduce any notions or thoughts about using a gun to kill somebody?
DrafterX
7 years ago
Fossil fuels industries already said it wasn't their fault.. 🤐
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