BuckyB93
6 years ago
Yeah, that's exactly what I meant. I'm glad you guys are here to speak for me and let me know what I'm thinking.

Anyone remember this?

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/investigations/2019/07/31/you-re-gonna-kill-me-dallas-police-body-cam-footage-reveals-the-final-minutes-of-tony-timpa-s-life/ 

Yeah, didn't think so.

You want to see more videos? The link has the cop's body cam recording. Maybe that's not enough for you to drum up any outrage.

Where was the outrage then? Oh, it was a cracker that got killed. Nothing to see here. Yet in this case the cops got off with nothing more than a slap on the wrist and the DA dismissed any criminal charges. I don't remember the outrage. The cops should have been tried for murder and the DA should have been tried for coverup, conspiracy, miscarriage of justice or whatever.

In the Floyd case, the cops are arrested and justice will be served but that's not enough. We need to fan the flames of race once again, continue to beat that drum. Racism will never die or go away because there is a faction within this country that doesn't want it to - folks like Sharpton, Jackson and their ilk.

There were no murals painted in Timpa's honor, there were not marches in memory of Timpa, there were no T-shirts made up, no over the top nationally televised funeral, no big wigs full of hot air preaching in his memory. I guess his life didn't matter nearly as much as Mr. Floyd.

This shouldn't be a white vs black thing. If you want to stop the white vs black thing, then stop steering the issues in that direction.
Gene363
6 years ago
It's just as ironic and dumb as the idiots that romanticize Bonnie & Clyde, a pair of ruthless killers.

It also helps to maintain the maintain the ghetto image of blacks while ignoring the successful blacks and their achievements. However, good or bad, Floyd represents they systemic racism of the police and their attitude towards the public, in particular, blacks. Look what happened between the police and Henry Gates in his own house for crying out loud.🐴


Gene363
6 years ago

Yeah, that's exactly what I meant. I'm glad you guys are here to speak for me and let me know what I'm thinking.

Anyone remember this?

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/investigations/2019/07/31/you-re-gonna-kill-me-dallas-police-body-cam-footage-reveals-the-final-minutes-of-tony-timpa-s-life/ 

Yeah, didn't think so.

You want to see more videos? The link has the cop's body cam recording. Maybe that's not enough for you to drum up any outrage.

Where was the outrage then? Oh, it was a cracker that got killed. Nothing to see here. Yet in this case the cops got off with nothing more than a slap on the wrist and the DA dismissed any criminal charges. I don't remember the outrage. The cops should have been tried for murder and the DA should have been tried for coverup, conspiracy, miscarriage of justice or whatever.

In the Floyd case, the cops are arrested and justice will be served but that's not enough. We need to fan the flames of race once again, continue to beat that drum. Racism will never die or go away because there is a faction within this country that doesn't want it to - folks like Sharpton, Jackson and their ilk.

There were no murals painted in Timpa's honor, there were not marches in memory of Timpa, there were no T-shirts made up, no over the top nationally televised funeral, no big wigs full of hot air preaching in his memory. I guess his life didn't matter nearly as much as Mr. Floyd.

This shouldn't be a white vs black thing. If you want to stop the white vs black thing, then stop steering the issues in that direction.

BuckyB93 wrote:



Another one:



http://www.cigarbid.com/Forum/c/posts/662466/An-ExCop-on-PoliceInvolved-Shootings-and-the-Warrior-Mindset 


Oh, and in case you don't know, all democrats/progressives/liberals or what ever thay wish to be called are 100% convinced they can read the minds of all conservatives/libertarians/republicans etc. They do not consider them as actual people with individual thoughts and minds, it the sugar that allows them to swallow all that hate and bigotry.
rfenst
6 years ago

Oh, and in case you don't know, all democrats/progressives/liberals or what ever thay wish to be called are 100% convinced they can read the minds of all conservatives/libertarians/republicans etc. They do not consider them as actual people with individual thoughts and minds, it the sugar that allows them to swallow all that hate and bigotry.

Gene363 wrote:


I got a bridge for sale in Brooklyn...
Gene363
6 years ago

I got a bridge for sale in Brooklyn...

rfenst wrote:



FIFY

Oh, and in case you don't know, many democrats/progressives/liberals or what ever thay wish to be called are 100% convinced they can read the minds of all conservatives/libertarians/republicans etc. They do not consider them as actual people with individual thoughts and minds, it's the sugar that allows them to swallow all that hate and bigotry.

Gene363 wrote:


Speyside
6 years ago
Thank you for changing that to many. That I can agree with. Bucky, everyone's life matters. Anyone who doesn't believe that isn't much but a hate monger, no matter which side they are on. All men are created equal. Pretty special words to me.
BuckyB93
6 years ago

Thank you for changing that to many. That I can agree with. Bucky, everyone's life matters. Anyone who doesn't believe that isn't much but a hate monger, no matter which side they are on. All men are created equal. Pretty special words to me.

Speyside wrote:



Couldn't agree more. Jefferson hit it out of the park when he penned the following.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
Speyside
6 years ago
Yes he did. Our country was founded by some amazing men. If you haven't read them his letters on separation of church and state are fascinating.
corey sellers
6 years ago
Our forefathers are sitting up there drinking and saying look at the **** storm we started. Take what I type with a grain of salt and then get a shot of tequila. I am not racist but I am so tired that we owe them something. History is fugging history move forward not backwards which is what is happening with the looting .Bring that **** to my neighborhood and I will tend to it white or black it will not matter to me. I was raised in the south but I played basketball with a bunch of great guys.Some of the places where not white friendly. Needless to say there was a confrontation or 2.
Krazeehorse
6 years ago
But there's never an outcry about the black on black violence. I believe statistically that is a much larger problem for black men than the police. Maybe if those young black ladies changed their ways and stopped being baby mammas raising children that never know their dad they might start changing their culture. Real families. Some fantasy, huh?
corey sellers
6 years ago
Well said more especially where I am at
Brewha
6 years ago

But there's never an outcry about the black on black violence. I believe statistically that is a much larger problem for black men than the police. Maybe if those young black ladies changed their ways and stopped being baby mammas raising children that never know their dad they might start changing their culture. Real families. Some fantasy, huh?

Krazeehorse wrote:


#-o
MACS
6 years ago
There is not systemic racism. If there was, how did we elect a black president? Politicians, lawyers, judges, doctors, professors, business owners, etc. It just isn't true.
delta1
6 years ago
the data skews against blacks, as a whole, in many areas of society: poverty, education, employment, health care, medical disabilities, homelessness, incarceration rates, mortality, and on and on...


One example: deaths at the hands of cops occurs at a disproportionately higher rate, per capita, among blacks and latinos than white..not even close

whites make up more than 71% of the US population; Latinos 18% ; and blacks 13%, and yet they total less than half of all people killed by cops...

https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/ 



but numbers will not convince anybody who believes racism in America is nonexistent...

it's supposed to be equal for all, but when that change happened, it's like the white status quo said, OK , we'll give them their Civil Rights and their Voting Rights, so they're now equal...but we'll insure they get crappy schools, we'll let local govt. establish restrictive real estate policies to keep them hemmed in, until the SCOTUS says they're illegal, we'll keep restrictive hiring practices in place for decades until SCOTUS says they're illegal...they're gonna have to fight for every inch all the way to the SCOTUS on every aspect of life...and now the Voting Rights Act was not re-newed...really...GOP leaders who orchestrate restrictive voting laws have been caught on video acknowledging their efforts are to suppress minority voting...

if the marathon race for equality began in 1964 and 1965, when non-discrimination was ruled the law of the land: then the white majority that kept blacks in legal inferior positions by legal segregation had a huge advantage in running the race: superior starting place as far as access to good schools K-college, superior neighborhoods, superior opportunities and superior jobs...negative attitudes by most whites about blacks didn't change over night: attitudes of business leaders, political leaders, police...barriers to black progress were rarely removed or improved upon...the playing field remains tilted in favor of whites
delta1
6 years ago
how many whites were told by their momma and their daddy that they had to be home before the street lights came on?

I'm Chinese, and that wasn't part of our culture about the role of the police and how to interact with them...Mom and Dad taught us the police are to be respected since they represent the law, they are your friends and if you ever need help, they will help you

growing up among blacks in L.A., that was not what I heard when talk of the police came up... I heard that you better be home before the street lights came on...and lived it when I became friends with black neighborhood kids my age...
Sacigar
6 years ago
As a new member... I hesitate to post because you never really know the tone of large groups of anonymous people sitting behind a keyboard.

The President Johnsons “Great Society” programs have been in place for more than 55 years now. We spend multi trillions of dollars on Medicaid, welfare, food stamps, public housing, federal aid, etc... what has it accomplished? Many of the impoverished communities from 1968 still exist. The govern programs give out lots of fish without teaching people to fish - and even worse, trap people in to a cycle of poverty.

The government programs provide a disincentive to “do better”. A great example is someone receiving Section 8 housing assistance. If a parent goes to work and makes $1 above the cap - they lose their assistance. People should have the ability to work and retain their benefits on a sliding scale rather than all or nothing.

Poverty is an ugly thing. People feel there is no future or incentive to do better. Crime, drugs, poor health and lack of education are byproducts... This creates customers for local law enforcement.

Yikes... by Apple Watch is saying my heart rate is getting elevated. Time to light up another cigar...
rfenst
6 years ago
Great first post.
Now get prepared for rebuttal. You are going to need to be thick skinned.
MACS
6 years ago
I was told to be home by the time the street lights came on. I've said it here, before.
BuckyB93
6 years ago
+ 1.

It was rather standard for all the kids in my neighborhood to be home when the street lights went on (Eau Claire, WI). At least to check in. Sometimes we were allowed to go back out and play kick the can or something until the parental mandated curfew but we still had to show up at home when the street lights came on.
frankj1
6 years ago

As a new member... I hesitate to post because you never really know the tone of large groups of anonymous people sitting behind a keyboard.

The President Johnsons “Great Society” programs have been in place for more than 55 years now. We spend multi trillions of dollars on Medicaid, welfare, food stamps, public housing, federal aid, etc... what has it accomplished? Many of the impoverished communities from 1968 still exist. The govern programs give out lots of fish without teaching people to fish - and even worse, trap people in to a cycle of poverty.

The government programs provide a disincentive to “do better”. A great example is someone receiving Section 8 housing assistance. If a parent goes to work and makes $1 above the cap - they lose their assistance. People should have the ability to work and retain their benefits on a sliding scale rather than all or nothing.

Poverty is an ugly thing. People feel there is no future or incentive to do better. Crime, drugs, poor health and lack of education are byproducts... This creates customers for local law enforcement.

Yikes... by Apple Watch is saying my heart rate is getting elevated. Time to light up another cigar...

Sacigar wrote:


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