No Iraqi battleships will be headed for the east coast ... but not long ago, terrorists from that part of the world who were trained and fiananced in part fy Iraq DID strike at three targets on the east coast ... how many more targets in this country will they strike before the liberals in this country pull their heads out of their asses long enough to wake up and smell the coffee???

Dunno about the rest of you, but I see clearly that the time has come to take action now ...

Damn straight Steve and it took a man with the courage of GW to make it happen.He isn't really worried about popualrity polls,he dosen't really care if everybody likes him.There is a job to be done and he and his administration are going to do it.

Yo any of you libs want ot explain why there aint no terrorist **** going on here in the US for the last year and a half?

Thats cause we got em on the run boys...and thats a fact!

You fuggers can sit all high and mighty if you want to and don't worry your pansy arsed little heads about it,because there are people like GW,like Colin Powell,Like Condie Rice,Like Donald Rumsfeld,like USAHog,like Tarheel,Like Arkies son and all the rest of us that will support them.Carry on as you always will and demorilize this country further than you already have.You've had 40 years to change the world and as far as I can see you've done nothing but take it to the toilet.

Before you fly off the handle,I should tell you all a little something.You see I was a registered Democrat up until Clintons 2nd term although I voted for Reagan Twice and GW Sr once.I voted for Clinton once and trust me when I say ONLY ONCE!...LOL

"You've had 40 years to change the world and as far as I can see you've done nothing but take it to the toilet."

By my count, the Republicans have been in the presidency for more than half of the past 40 years. Nixon/Ford (8), Reagan (8), Bush Sr. (4), and Bush Jr. (2). 22 of 40. And it is OUR fault that the world is ****, as you say?

Ha ha ha ha ha!!! Do your math before you make your point, bro! Nice try. Not this time. Some of us can count.

John

Sorry to disapoint you jdrabinski but the congress/ house and senate have been democratically controled for at least the last 40 years prior to 1988?

Bwahahahhaha

or was it 1994?

Bwahahahaha!!! Sorry jdrabinski get a life!

Nice back pedal. You and I both know the President sets the agenda and gets pretty much what he wants. We both live here and have seen how things work. You are just pissed because I called you out on the 'last 40 years' remark.

Are you a super patriotic person? If so, please explain to me how you say 'this is the greatest country in the world' (I agree) AND say 'this country is in the toilet'(I don't agree).

If you think this is the greatest country, how could it also be in the toilet? I never get that. Please clarify.

I think this is a great country and it is not in the toilet. The economy sucks, I don't want us to go to war, and we have some social problems that need addressing...but 'in the toilet'? Huh?

John

P.S.: get a life? What led you to believe that I don't have one? My life is pretty good.

John I Believe he did say You are are taking it to the Toilet... if I am reading this right... You would be Plural and meaning You=Liberals

I see the Point headed to the Toilet...

Hog

Man, I love this place, This forum, this country, and all the freedoms we all enjoy. Just don't want to see war without the full support of the U.N. We can not rush the process. We cannot be percieved by the rest of the world as we now view the Nazis, and the Imperial japanese, or even how we view Saddam, my kid calls him Sadly Insane, he's 4.
It's just a matter of time before we have to take him out, but lets do it the legitimate way. If we go off as "Cowboys" History will judge us as harshly as we judge the nazis.
Later
Homebrew
p.s. I just couldn't stay away. I might get 2 hours sleep before I have to go back to work for my last 14 hour day this weekend. F#@K

john

I will be all over the place here.

First you don't believe that the war, is for security of this nation. That they are too far away to be a threat, and its all about oil. If a small terrorist group can do what happened on 9/11, don't you think that given the opportunity to attain technology to get a nuke over here, that Saddam wouldn't do it? I think he would. That is a future threat.

Second, we are allies of Israel. Don't you see the threat to them as being something to be concerned about? How many suicide bombings will it take? We cant ignore it, that's why we are allies. Why create alliances if you don't look after their security also?

Third, I don't really even care about the latest resolution. The earlier resolutions haven't been honored at all, so what makes you think that resolutions do anything at all. The UN is a joke! They are not a responsible authority of the world if they make a resolution and don't in-force it. I myself think we should get out of the UN. The UN is anti US.

Forth, you've talked about a majority rule isn't good politics, and that since the vote was close, that this administration should also represent the folks who didn't vote for him, tried to make him look like a dumb ass, and looked for any little thing to dig up to defame him. Yea right!

What about the promises made by Bush to his supporters to be elected. Those need to be addressed to be credible, or why do campaign platforms even matter?

Let me give you an example. If your party is Socialism, and there was an election with a Socialist, Democratic, and Republican party. And the election went like this: Socialists 35%, Dems 32%, Rep 33%.

Your wildest dream would have come true! Now, would you like it if your party had to represent the nation in a way that represents the out come of the vote in percentages? No!

With your theory, your party would only get to implement approximately one-third of its Agenda! You would be up in arms over this. You would believe that now is your chance to see your party make changes for the better, in your opinion. You would go for that? Now, tell the truth here because this is a tough pill to swallow. You would be in control, but still be a minority when you add the Dems & Rep views together.

The socialist party would do things their way, in my opinion. They wouldn't adopt the views of the other parties. If you believe that, you are being unrealistic.

Chew on those views a little. I look fwd to your response!

Mag

Sorry John but there was and is no back pedaling going on here except for your own.The House,Senate and basically the Supreme court has been Democratically contoled for as long as I care to remember.The fact of the matter is Congress makes the laws the Prez can only veto them or pass them in tact.Now this is the way it is and always has been as far as I can remember.No?

Now if your talking about how GW is playing the Dems and the rest of the UN like an old fiddle then we can talk.He's sitin back on the porch playin' turkey in the straw and the fuggin Dems,the rest of the world and the UN think they're listening to a Violin Concerto. God ya gotta love GW for that and I do.These fuggers wouldn't be doin **** right now just like Clinton until GW called thier bluff and you know it.You also can't stand it and you know it!

God Bless GW! We got these fuggers on the run and we aint gonna stop until they've have paid and paid dearly.You don't have to jump on the wagon here boys just get the F_ck out of the way and let the guys willin to do the job. DO IT! How simple is that?

Yo any of you libs want ot explain why there aint no terrorist **** going on here in the US for the last year and a half?

jdrabinski,

2 questions for you so I can ask you a few more.

1) Where do you live (state)?
2) What exactly do you think this war we are about to have is exactly about?

daveyg2

jj - not a lib or a con, but there has been al queda activity throughout the world in the last 18 months. There have been no succesful attacks on the US, but I'm sure there's been attempts/plans, we're doing a better job of preventing them though. Getting people back in the intelligence business is one of the good things GWB is doing, this war could be his worst.

Do you really think these issues are black and white? You speak so vociferously against anyone who disagrees and act like their idiots because they think for themselves and have come to different conclusions. Or maybe I should just get in line and salute our leader, heil GWB, we don't need freedom just GWB; not likely... This isn't nazi germany yet, but it seems like you'd be happy if it was, round up all the libs and burn'em right, and while they're at it have all the gays and any other group that is different thrown in...




I think that it is not only our right, but our duty to constantly question those in power in order to maintian our freedoms and to make our country even better.

Opposition to the war is not the issue, at least not the issue that seems to rile up the whole gang.
Personal opinions are welcome. We are not sheep.
But to make blanket statements based on little or no facts, and to state these to be undeniable truths, well that is what prompts the animation within these threads.

"The US military is not fighting for our freedom, even indirectly". That's rubbish, and belittles the sacrifice by each and every soldier overseas.

"This is an oil war". Too simplistic. Is oil a factor? Yes. Because without oil, Saddam would have no leverage over countries like France. And they would have no moneys to build weapons (illegally). But it's only ONE piece to the puzzle.

Hey guys,
Has anyone looked at my original post? I think the thread has strayed from the original topic.
Later
Homebrew @ Work
p.s. Hope I don't get in trouble for using the boses computer to check on the forums.

This wouldn't be CBID if we didn't stray from the original topic......

I am the last person that will advocate for War but in this case it is necessary. Suddam Hussein is a threat to the World not just to America. Yes, this War is about maintaining freedom. It is not about oil.

We, as a Nation, cannot sit idly by with this immense threat constantly hovering over our heads.

I chose to support a military action against Iraq. I support the warriors' if/when they are called upon to act for the preservation of World peace. We must maintain the freedoms that we all enjoy even if it means using the offensive powers of the Greatest Damn Armed Forces in the World.

Just my 2 cents.

Regards,

B

As to us not being attacked by Iraq... we weren't being attacked by al-Qaida until the WTC went down. Should we wait for something like that to happen again?

tailgater - I didn't like the statement against our troups either, they're not the ones who decide what wars we engage in so we can never speak against them unless they actually do something to deserve it.

Also glad to hear you acknowledge that oil plays a part in this, I agree it's not the only factor, but it is involved.