usahog
23 years ago
osage but the Al Quida only attacked us Once....

Ask Cwil if we should just wait it out and see if they really meant it???

Maybe they was just Playing????
after all it only happened Once....
Bwhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Hog
cwilhelmi
23 years ago
Too funny Hog, twist and turn twist and turn, my statements that is, but I can't say I'm innocent either....

I've never said I was fully opposed to going into Iraq, I just think it makes sense to have UN support since we're trying to use UN resolutions as our reason for going into Iraq. Will we get UN approval, probably not since the French don't want to go into Iraq no matter what evidence there is. I prefer to enter into this cautiously in order to prevent unnecessary death of both our troops and Iraqi civilians, but at the end of the day we also have to prevent against the potential losses that inaction could cause.

Also, I can't say that Clinton should remain blameless for inaction regarding 9/11 or Iraq, but I also don't think you can lay it all on him.
usahog
23 years ago
do you know the main reason why we are not getting the UN Support???

it isn't because the facts have not been laid out on the Table...
with this note my day here is finished i'm locking up and will continue this post after a bit...

Hog
cwilhelmi
23 years ago
have a good rest of the day...

Homebrew
23 years ago
Hey, USAHog, We were attacked by Al-Qaida twice. They attacked the world trade center before, but the attack was a failure. Closed the parking garage for awhile.
Just thought I would clear that up.
Later, a very tired but my work week is over till next friday,
Homebrew
usahog
23 years ago
Here's an old one to bring back up... in the Afterglow of what has happened since the last discussions on this issue??? and Now two of Saddam's siblings are roasting marshmellows in Hell!!!

Hog
Robby
23 years ago
Homebrew
23 years ago
Great to see you back usahog,
Yep, thats an old one.
Later
Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)
jjohnson28
23 years ago
Great stuff! LOL
DrMaddVibe
23 years ago
Thanks for giving us all a tour to the...Twilight Zone. Some parallel universe people live in.
xibbumbero
23 years ago
And the beat goes on...SH son's are dead and that's a good thing but more and more Americans die everyday and that's a bad thing. X 😞
usahog
23 years ago
True X... But I ask.. how many have we lost this past week In Afganistan?? anyone know?? or how many Soldiers have we lost on the home front from lets say drinking and Driving in this past month?? does anyone know?? or Care?? the spotlight is Iraq and that is where the Media Hipe is coming from right now... but I know of two local deaths of Military members just in the past couple weeks and it happened here on this Soil... both Acedents but lost lives just the same...

the beat goes on and on!!! and If called to do it again I would drag my Bags and be their!!! knowing full well some nutcase is out there going to be shooting at me/us... just the same I signed my name to the Dotted line to Uphold the Constitution of these United States and Defend her Freedom... almost like Marrage Vowls... till Death do Us Part!!!!

Hog
xibbumbero
23 years ago
Usahog,you be a true Soldier. While I may not agree with yor political views. I can't argue with that one. May God keep you and all our Soldiers safe. X
jjohnson28
23 years ago
Date: 02/23/2003 05:34 AM

I didn't really keep up with this thread back then after my last post but did Chris actually call me a Nazi? LMAO!...Hog and I are NAZI's

What da ya think Russ,Skin Heads to the bone right? LOL

You friggin libs sure like to throw the race and nazi cards around don't you... ;0)

JJ
Homebrew
23 years ago
I don't think anyone here are nazi's, Lots of brothers of the leaf with differing political ideals. Though the idea of a preemptive strike, on shaky intelligence, I had an idea, at that time some of the "intellegence" was fabricated, and the demonizing of anyone who didn't agree with GWB, is very much a facist stance. There still hasn't been an Iraq AlQuaida connection established, so that arguement, is pure propaganda. The Yellowcake debacle, pure propaganda, the demonizing of opposition voices, pure propaganda. At the time, the idea of going into Iraq, and taking it over, as the 51st state smacked of facist imperialism, still does to some degree.
That said, I do believe that Saddam needed to be removed. Just think that the threats, to our country, and our allies, was overstated, so Bush could get his war. I still believe that we need to bring the U.N. into the rebuilding phase, and the building of the new government in Iraq. Why, you ask??? If we appear to be the conquerers, to the Iraqi people, and not the liberators, the attacks on our servicemen and women, will continue, and increase, as well as recruitment incentives into the various terrorist organizations. But other than that.
The USA is the greatest country to live in, in the world. I just think we need to work with the international community to solve our problems abroad. Let our diplomats do their job, and yes, improve our intelligence.
Just my .02
Later
Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)
P.S. I had quit posting political stuff, 5-6 months ago, because of this thread. Thanks for reopening the door usahog.
God Bless our troops.
DrMaddVibe
23 years ago
http://www.seacoastonline.com/2002news/08222002/world/20426.htm ) didn't have "direct" ties, you're telling me that he doesn't know somebody in Al Queida?

It's a good thing we did what we did. Drop the fabrication thingy too. If you want to use poor information go ahead, but I don't remember seeing ANYONE badmouth Clinton for launching missles on intelligence he had. To try and discredit the Bush Administration is laughable. To believe that you have to say you don't believe 41'(Bush),Clinton and the UN!

The US and it TRUE allies stepped up and did what the rest of those chicken$hit countries wouldn't. Real easy to sit in NY and vote. We all got to see how many put their money where their wallets are though.

N. Korea is next.
Homebrew
23 years ago
hmmm,
Still no connection between Iraq, and terrorist organizations. A terrorrist leader, being killed, in Iraq, possibly by Iraqis themselves, does not implicate Iraq, rather the opposite. Looks like grasping at straws.
Later
Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)
P.S. Like before, I still work weekends, and will not be posting again until late sunday night or monday
DrMaddVibe
23 years ago
http://www.americans-world.org/digest/regional_issues/Conflict_Iraq/linkstoTerr.cfm 

12 times the UN voted. 12 times they swore to military action. The time for foot-dragging was over. There comes a time when doing the right thing isn't popular. History will show that this was a time when we were right and had a leader that had the guts to see it through despite the chance that he might only be a one term President for his actions in a post 9-11 world.
DrMaddVibe
23 years ago
Also, in re-reading this post...you REALLY believe that WE were being "imperialistic"? They way I saw it, was the rest of the free world stepping up and protecting a small but rich country from the military occupation of Iraq. Do remember that HE invaded Kuwait. We liberated Kuwait. There won't be any re-writing of history there!
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