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Man robs bank to get medical care in jail
fishinguitarman Offline
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Obummer woulda sent him to jail anyways cause he didn't buy health ins. This cracks me up...

"The Affordable Care Act, President Obama's health-care overhaul passed by Congress last year, was designed to make it easier for Americans in situations like Verone's to get health insurance."


what....EVER!



Wouldn't matter cause he still couldn't afford it and they would force him to anyway....








Some people who need medical care but can't afford it go to the emergency room. Others just hope they'll get better. James Richard Verone robbed a bank.

Earlier this month, Verone (pictured), a 59-year-old convenience store clerk, walked into a Gaston, N.C., bank and handed the cashier a note demanding $1 and medical attention. Then he waited calmly for police to show up.

He's now in jail and has an appointment with a doctor this week.

Verone's problems started when he lost the job he'd held for 17 years as a Coca Cola deliveryman, amid the economic downturn. He found new work driving a truck, but it didn't last. Eventually, he took a part-time position at the convenience store.

But Verone's body wasn't up to it. The bending and lifting made his back ache. He had problems with his left foot, making him limp. He also suffered from carpal tunnel syndrome and arthritis.

Then he noticed a protrusion on his chest. "The pain was beyond the tolerance that I could accept," Verone told the Gaston Gazette. "I kind of hit a brick wall with everything."

Verone knew he needed help--and he didn't want to be a burden on his sister and brothers. He applied for food stamps, but they weren't enough either.

So he hatched a plan. On June 9, he woke up, showered, ironed his shirt. He mailed a letter to the Gazette, listing the return address as the Gaston County Jail.

"When you receive this a bank robbery will have been committed by me," Verone wrote in the letter. "This robbery is being committed by me for one dollar. I am of sound mind but not so much sound body."

Then Verone hailed a cab to take him to the RBC Bank. Inside, he handed the teller his $1 robbery demand.

"I didn't have any fears," said Verone. "I told the teller that I would sit over here and wait for police."

The teller was so frightened that she had to be taken to the hospital to be checked out. Verone, meanwhile, was taken to jail, just as he'd planned it.

Because he only asked for $1, Verone was charged with larceny, not bank robbery. But he said that if his punishment isn't severe enough, he plans to tell the judge that he'll do it again. His $100,000 bond has been reduced to $2,000, but he says he doesn't plan to pay it.

In jail, Verone said he skips dinner to avoid too much contact with the other inmates. He's already seen some nurses and is scheduled to see a doctor on Friday. He said he's hoping to receive back and foot surgery, and get the protrusion on his chest treated. Then he plans to spend a few years in jail, before getting out in time to collect Social Security and move to the beach.

Verone also presented the view that if the United States had a health-care system which offered people more government support, he wouldn't have had to make the choice he did.

"If you don't have your health you don't have anything," Verone said.

The Affordable Care Act, President Obama's health-care overhaul passed by Congress last year, was designed to make it easier for Americans in situations like Verone's to get health insurance. But most of its provisions don't go into effect until 2014.

As it is, Verone said he thinks he chose the best of a bunch of bad options. "I picked jail."





HockeyDad Offline
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The solution was simple. Medicare for all...cradle to grave.

Instead we got 1,800 pages of sell out.
fishinguitarman Offline
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LMAO!
DrMaddVibe Offline
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Any truth to the rumor that in-between showers, yard time, watching tv and going to the library that he's going to get his law degree too?
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Any truth to the rumor that in-between showers, yard time, watching tv and going to the library that he's going to get his law degree too?





Not from the USA...u gotta be an American citizen
Papachristou Offline
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i read an article about death row in cali. they have only executed 13 inmates at the cost of $180 million each. They hire private attorneys for them etc. with todays technology, it would be tough to be wrongly convicted. give them one appeal with a PD and after that, take them out back. the system is absurd. 10-20 years, we will be like greece. their PM announced this morning " the government MUST stop spending more than it takes in" dumbass, should have gone with that advice 25 years ago instead of living large.
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Papachristou wrote:
i read an article about death row in cali. they have only executed 13 inmates at the cost of $180 million each. They hire private attorneys for them etc. with todays technology, it would be tough to be wrongly convicted. give them one appeal with a PD and after that, take them out back. the system is absurd. 10-20 years, we will be like greece. their PM announced this morning " the government MUST stop spending more than it takes in" dumbass, should have gone with that advice 25 years ago instead of living large.



The old system is Not absurd. Look how many people have been freed long after the fact by new DNA evidence. Albeit less, look how many have been freed due to witness misidentification and testimony recant. One appeal is not enough, but two or three is in my mind. Having pointed this out, I am strongly pro-death penalty.

I think that there should be a "cooling off period" of several years prior to execution, just to make sure nothing comes up. The convicted person could waive this if they want by: 1) admitting guilt; and 2) requesting immediate execution. The burden for all of this falls

Now, what is most interesting about all of this to me solely from the expense perspective is that it costs more to execute someone than to simply give them life in jail. Yeah. You read that right!

The real problem here lies with each state as each has its own death penalty laws and rules. Also, most, if not all states require a jury recommendation followed by the trial judge's right to over-ride the jury. On top of that, governors usually take there time (years) to sign the execution Orders.

I do, however, agree that the whole system is messed up.

HockeyDad Offline
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...the real cost though is the lawyer fees!
rfenst Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
...the real cost though is the lawyer fees!


No. It is the globalist energy sector pigs who charge to much for electricity to charge "Old Sparky".

Think Rick Scott has the balls to sign the Order?
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Ram has a bat.... ram27bat
HockeyDad Offline
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rfenst wrote:
No. It is the globalist energy sector pigs who charge to much for electricity to charge "Old Sparky".



We're only charging too much if they refuse to pay it!
FuzzNJ Offline
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Sad story. Gotta feel pretty desperate to do something like that.
tailgater Offline
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Sad story. Gotta feel pretty desperate to do something like that.


I know it's going to sound heartless, but they guy is a leach.

He was working part time, which means no insurance through his employer.
Why not work a second job so he could afford private healthcare? He know his back and feet were aching from his previous full time jobs.

Instead, he devises a plan where the taxpayers have to pay for the police action, the court fees, and now his room, board, security and health bills.

Then, when it's all over and down with, he plans on collecting SS and going to the beach.

Isn't that special?
Friggin bum should include "working on the chain gang until he can't walk no more in order to pay back his debt to society".
But I guess he forgot to add that last part.

teedubbya Offline
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why does tailgator hate people with part time jobs?
DrafterX Offline
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it is sad.... but a few evening classes while driving for coca-cola for 17 years may have landed him in a more secure job with insurance.....

but the world needs ditch diggers too.... Mellow
tailgater Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
why does tailgator hate people with part time jobs?


I only hate them part time.
FuzzNJ Offline
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There but for the grace of god. . .
tailgater Offline
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Hey, I gotta save time to hate those pesky illegals, too.

Besides, despite the obvious lack of compassion in my comments, you won't be able to point out anything that is technically incorrect.
The guy only wants what he needs, sure.
But he wants it for free and then wants to simply enjoy life with no sense of financial obligation (ie responsibility).

I'm a realist.

Really.
tailgater Offline
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Almost forgot.

I hate the Vancouver Canucks.


Part time workers, illegals, and Canucks.


Got it.

teedubbya Offline
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at least the sick eagles work full time
FuzzNJ Offline
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tailgater wrote:
Hey, I gotta save time to hate those pesky illegals, too.

Besides, despite the obvious lack of compassion in my comments, you won't be able to point out anything that is technically incorrect.
The guy only wants what he needs, sure.
But he wants it for free and then wants to simply enjoy life with no sense of financial obligation (ie responsibility).

I'm a realist.

Really.


Because if we can't all be worker bees for the man, we should suffer and die as nature intended. Sorry grandma. This is the time of renewal.
MTappert Offline
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i paid for my own health insurance for under $150 a month.

that seems pretty affordable to me.
HockeyDad Offline
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Because if we can't all be worker bees for the man, we should suffer and die as nature intended. Sorry grandma. This is the time of renewal.



Does grandma have a part time job?
tailgater Offline
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Because if we can't all be worker bees for the man, we should suffer and die as nature intended. Sorry grandma. This is the time of renewal.


I've laid out the facts, and all you've done is criticize.
Please tell us what your solution is.

In a perfect, feel-good world, I like your approach. Candy to all and with a zero cavity guarantee.
But just like when you're raising your kids, sometimes you gotta dole out some tough love.
If Uncle Sam becomes a crutch for the weak it won't be long before the able choose to be the weak (or the goverment will simply redefine what "weak" truly means).
It's already happening. And it happened for the One Buck Thief.

He didn't plan.
He opted to work too little.
His choices led him to purposeful crime.
And yet his future plans are to collect my tax dollars and relax by the ocean.

You speak of renewal?
I bet you're a good parent and have laid down more rules in your house then this guy will ever be forced to embrace as a supposed adult.

I said it before, but it bears repeating: He's a leach.
He wants something for nothing, with no remorse and zero gratitude.

I'd prefer that my tax dollars went to those who displayed a certain level of responsibility.
And I'm sorry that you don't see the need.

But most important is this:
The vancouver canucks may be worse than the part timers.
I can't decide.
FuzzNJ Offline
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tailgater wrote:
I've laid out the facts, and all you've done is criticize.
Please tell us what your solution is.

In a perfect, feel-good world, I like your approach. Candy to all and with a zero cavity guarantee.
But just like when you're raising your kids, sometimes you gotta dole out some tough love.
If Uncle Sam becomes a crutch for the weak it won't be long before the able choose to be the weak (or the goverment will simply redefine what "weak" truly means).
It's already happening. And it happened for the One Buck Thief.

He didn't plan.
He opted to work too little.
His choices led him to purposeful crime.
And yet his future plans are to collect my tax dollars and relax by the ocean.

You speak of renewal?
I bet you're a good parent and have laid down more rules in your house then this guy will ever be forced to embrace as a supposed adult.

I said it before, but it bears repeating: He's a leach.
He wants something for nothing, with no remorse and zero gratitude.

I'd prefer that my tax dollars went to those who displayed a certain level of responsibility.
And I'm sorry that you don't see the need.


Renewal is from Logan's Run.

This is from the Bible.

34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

I don't think heaven or hell or eternal life exist, but the concept of treating the least amongst us with dignity and respect is crucial for a moral and civilized society.

“If this is going to be a Christian nation that doesn’t help the poor, either we have to pretend that Jesus is just as selfish as we are or we’ve got to acknowledge that he commanded us to love the poor and serve the needy without condition. And then admit that we just don’t want to do it.”

Colbert
ZRX1200 Offline
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Doing good and doing good via the tax payers at the point of a gun to maintain power are not the same.
FuzzNJ Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Doing good and doing good via the tax payers at the point of a gun to maintain power are not the same.


Whatever you need to sleep at night.
HockeyDad Offline
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FuzzNJ wrote:
I don't think heaven or hell or eternal life exist, but the concept of treating the least amongst us with dignity and respect is crucial for a moral and civilized society.

“If this is going to be a Christian nation that doesn’t help the poor, either we have to pretend that Jesus is just as selfish as we are or we’ve got to acknowledge that he commanded us to love the poor and serve the needy without condition. And then admit that we just don’t want to do it.”

Colbert




You are assuming that the way people help people is to give money to the government for the government to redistribute. People are capable of helping others without needing a government mandate, program, or guideline.

I don't recall the Bible saying give 50% of thy earning to Caesar so that Caesar will undertake charity in thy name.
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HockeyDad wrote:
You are assuming that the way people help people is to give money to the government for the government to redistribute. People are capable of helping others without needing a government mandate, program, or guideline.

I don't recall the Bible saying give 50% of thy earning to Caesar so that Caesar will undertake charity in thy name.


They are capable, as in they are allowed to do it. How's that working out?

The government is us, it's not some outside entity, it's supposed to be we the people, and we haven't been too good to our people.
HockeyDad Offline
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The government is not "us". That is ridiculous. Government is an outsourcing company.
ZRX1200 Offline
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And yet the Kenyan King lowered taxable donation rate.
HockeyDad Offline
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FuzzNJ wrote:
we haven't been too good to our people.



We have been great to our people compared to much of the world. We have been every bit as good as we can be based on how much money we have plus whatever money we could borrow.
rfenst Offline
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MTappert wrote:
i paid for my own health insurance for under $150 a month.

that seems pretty affordable to me.



LMAO.
And I'll bet you have nothing less than A+++ coverage for that premium!
wheelrite Offline
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rfenst wrote:
LMAO.
And I'll bet you have nothing less than A+++ coverage for that premium!


at least he's not on the dole,,,

don't ridicule Counselor...
rfenst Offline
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"But, for the grace of God, there go I."

Hey, anybody wonder if the guy is just suffering from Major Depression or mental illness?
Maybe he just needs a "leg up"...
tailgater Offline
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rfenst wrote:
LMAO.
And I'll bet you have nothing less than A+++ coverage for that premium!


First, that's a very condesending remark.
But more importantly, it is entirely off base. (Despite my own disbelief in the $150/month coverage)

Face it: if (when) Uncle Sam takes over healthcare, then NOBODY will have A+++ coverage unless they suppliment it with private insurance. Will you then demand that EVERYONE needs the better (private) coverage yet again?

I haven't once claimed that this thief didn't deserve decent care.
I simply have suggested that he pay for it, and then I added quite clearly that he shouldn't then expect to retire to the beach on his SS check.

It's pathetic.
And the entitlement mentality will be the demise of this country.

That, and those embellishing canucks...
tailgater Offline
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rfenst wrote:
"But, for the grace of God, there go I."

Hey, anybody wonder if the guy is just suffering from Major Depression or mental illness?
Maybe he just needs a "leg up"...


We all think that about Fuzz...
wheelrite Offline
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rfenst wrote:
"But, for the grace of God, there go I."

Hey, anybody wonder if the guy is just suffering from Major Depression or mental illness?
Maybe he just needs a "leg up"...



I see it totally different,,,

It's up to me to care for myself.Unless ,some VERY VERY tragic event happened.Not liking your new job is not a a valid exscuse..
porschesales225 Offline
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well if he paid into the system for the last 17 years i would venture to say he has earned some of that social security.
I think our healthcare in this country needs a major redo but our government is so muddied it will never be done correctly.
I like the idea of prisoners working on government projects bring back real penalties.
T
wheelrite Offline
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porschesales225 wrote:
well if he paid into the system for the last 17 years i would venture to say he has earned some of that social security.
I think our healthcare in this country needs a major redo but our government is so muddied it will never be done correctly.
I like the idea of prisoners working on government projects bring back real penalties.
T


Prisoners desevre nothing.They forfeited all rights,

They should spend all day making little rocks outtta big rocks.Then they may reconsider a life of crime..
gringococolo Offline
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If he made 100k a year as a coke driver he paid about 105k into S.S.

I am pretty sure he didn't make that much.

His hope is to get on SSDI. He is 59, probably a pill popper.
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Send him to Gitmo!horse
FuzzNJ Offline
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wheelrite wrote:
Prisoners desevre nothing.They forfeited all rights,

They should spend all day making little rocks outtta big rocks.Then they may reconsider a life of crime..


If there's one thing we don't have in this country, it's enough people in prison. 1.6 million? We need more.
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FuzzNJ wrote:
If there's one thing we don't have in this country, it's enough people in prison. 1.6 million? We need more.


If we did make them pound rocks all day, you know we'd have very little issue with prison populations.
FuzzNJ Offline
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tailgater wrote:
If we did make them pound rocks all day, you know we'd have very little issue with prison populations.


Highly doubt it.
DrafterX Offline
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I wonder when the camps will be ready...?? Huh
FuzzNJ Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
I wonder when the camps will be ready...?? Huh


Any day now, right? They've been working on them since the Clinton administration with the black helicopters protecting them 'n stuff.
fishinguitarman Offline
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tailgater wrote:
If we did make them pound rocks all day, you know we'd have very little issue with prison populations.



So much truth in that...Toooo many want a free ride and just don't care...And anybody that doesn't believe that needs too get their head out of their....ummmm...outta the sand.
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Im going to defend my position in regards to my health insurance.

I was lucky enough to grow up with parents that did well in school (chicago public schools), paid their way through college, went out and got decent jobs that they worked hard at, got promotions and were offered health insurance for themselves and their family.

When I went to college, which I paid for (still am paying for, damn student loans) I had to buy into the universities health insurance (which I paid for) when I graduated, I immediately started paying for my own health insurance so I would maintain continual coverage as to not allow any "issues" with insurance companies denying me coverage for whatever reason.

I worked for about 3.5 years after college until my job was eliminated at the company I was working for. I was unemployed/underemployed for about 9 months until I was able to secure another good job that uses my expensive finance degree that I paid for. While I was unemployed/underemployed, I worked side jobs, started my own small landscaping company, and worked digging ditches for a telecom company. I was a 25 year old with a Finance degree from a GOOD private school, and I went to digging ditches paying for my own health care instead of filing for unemployment and state subsidized health care for 9 months, even tho I had paid into those accounts for 3.5 years and was legally "entitled" to do so. I did reduce me coverage to be able to afford my health insurance. I had credit cards with open balances over $10K so I reduced my coverage so my deductible was $10K and anything over that would be covered.

I wasnt making much money digging holes so I made my priorities.

1) I didnt go out to the bar and spend money on beer, I paid for my own health insurance and rent so I wouldnt have to suck off the government teet.
2) I didnt buy any new clothes, I paid for my own health insurance and rent so I wouldnt have to suck off the government teet.
3) I didnt go to restaurants to eat dinner I could make at home, I paid for my own health insurance and rent so I wouldnt have to suck off the government teet.
4) I didnt fly home to Chicago to see my parents, I paid for my own health insurance and rent so I wouldnt have to suck off the government teet.

Sometimes when you are down and out you need to make sacrifices and really prioritize your life.

/rant
FuzzNJ Offline
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fishinguitarman wrote:
So much truth in that...Toooo many want a free ride and just don't care...And anybody that doesn't believe that needs too get their head out of their....ummmm...outta the sand.


Sure. Say, how has the death penalty worked as a deterrant? You think rock breaking would work? End the war on (some) drugs and treat it like a public health issue and the prison population will drop dramatically.
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